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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.02 16:23:24 -
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Cleanest way would have been if Lenny just took more % of the profits and donated from his personal ISK wallet during PLEX for good and such while having the in game business operation not tied to out of game charities.
Not because I think anything is shady, but fighting against a charity corp/alliance would be meh, and puts out of game spin on the evil power and greed based game play conflicts that EVE is famous for.
Having said that, I don't think OP has any legitimate evidence to accuse RMT and such.
I personally gained a lot (not just ISK) from IWI and Chribba's always been my hero in EVE. If there is anything illegal or RMT involved with the project I would trust Chribba not to take any part in it. And also, Lenny pulling out from IWI is the right and respectful move in this situation.
So until proven with real evidence about anything illegal or EULA/TOS breaking, I shall keep my neutral trust.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 06:51:08 -
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I'm not sure if we should judge how much people 'donate' to chritable causes, and my thoughts on this are same both in game and IRL. Charity is not something to be expected or demanded, and it's silly to criticise someone or organisation for not 'donating enough', and to call any donation, regardless of where/who it comes from 'insultingly low' is definitely not in good spirit of charity.
Bill Gates IRL donates incredible amount of money, but if he never ever donated a single penny, or only donated a penny per year, I would not criticise him in anyway whatsoever on this front.
People should not 'expect' charity and donations by default. It's a nice thing when someone does it, but nothing to be criticised of if someone doesn't do it or do it in the amount you think is 'not enough'. I'm just not with that whole way of thinking both IRL and in game.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 10:18:36 -
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Who decides how much is enough? Should people working for charities just get paid enough to have three meals a day? Is it 'wrong' to work for charity and make decent living at the same time? Are people that will use these keepstars for charitable purposes? If Lenny donated 100% of profit to charity will traders seed the market at no profit margin for themselves?
I can understand this operation comes under charity banner, and as such people will want more scrutinity on this.
But won't traders that seed this market make profit for themselves? Are they then making profit off charity organisation?
Won't the alliances involved benefit from strategic access and locations? Are they abusing charity banner to get an advantage in game?
What I find hypocritical is that people will 'profit' from having such network, not just Lenny. So while they profit in ISK, they don't want Lenny to turn profit for himself?
If people are going to use these keepstars at loss and consider their loss as donation to charity, then yeah, maybe you could say Lenny or the holding alliance should donate 100% to charity. But it's dodgy for people to profit from this in game while insisting the holders should not make profit.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 12:44:07 -
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I think what is 'reasonable' amount is totaly subjective. On my book 25% of profits for charity is more than good enough. That's more percentage than I will ever donate for charity in game or IRL. 25% profit of my business operation for charity? I see that as huge portion, you do not, fair enough, it's subjective.
As for IWI link on my sig, it's got nothing to do with it. I'm neither banker nor hold any shares at IWI. But I enjoy IWI greatly and had awesome time there. Consider me a fan boy, that's all. Not in any sort of business relationship with them in any sense, I'm just a player. Now that Lenny is pulling out of IWI it would not matter anyway though.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 12:47:39 -
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Just to add, if Care 4 Kids got any sort of game benefit from CCP for doing this then yes, there is something to discuss maybe. But as long as they playing by the same game rules and are vulnerable in a way that anybody in game can be, what can we really say about that.
Like I said in my first post, I'm unsure about putting out of game spin on in game op. What I'm arguing against is how people expect charity and donation from the 'rich' as if that's something to be expected and demanded.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.10.03 13:40:30 -
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I don't think I have much more to comment anymore. :p anyone, Lenny or whoever can do anything they want under any spin they want and donate as little or as much as they want. In my book, it's all okay as long as it's not in violation of EULA/TOS, and I let CCP judge that.
For all I care they can accept cash donations and make millions of RL $$$ and donate 0$ to charity. Not my business, and I don't understand why some people make ot their business to talk about what others do. My brains are just wired differently from those who care about what others do and I don't think I can understand, so I shall stop here.
Good luck with your ventures. There is always option for people who oppose this to make bigger projec than this and make bigger ISK than them and and accept more cash donations than them donate more % than them, or burn them down with brute force EVE style.
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