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RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:02:45 -
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I LOVE YOU CCP! MY BEAUTIFUL ORCA! AHAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.04 21:42:57 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Goati wrote:Who else thinks the Orca is way too powerful now? The idea that it can mine at the rate of an exhumer, with a 187.5k m3 ore hold, with huge EHP, it's just ridiulous. Orca is meant to be a support ship, not an exhumer equivalent mining vessel on steroids. My Skiffs can mine at ~1280m3/minute, not including mining drone yield or Orca boosts. The theoretical yield of 1400m3/min for the Orca includes a 150% bonus to mining drone yield, meaning an expected base yield of drone + skills being around 560m3/min ( not including travel time). This means that my Skiffs will be pulling in around 1840m3/min not including drone travel time. Assume for a moment that drone travel time reduces mining drone yield by about half ( velocity is about 400m/s plus skills and modules, range to asteroid is around 15-25km, so travel time is around 30s each way, cycle time is around 60s, so round trip time is 60s travel, 60s mining, for a 50% duty cycle): this means drone yield for the Orca drops to about 700m3/min, while total yield for the Skiff drops to about 1560m3/min. Do you still think the Orca is an overpowered Mackinaw replacement that needs to be nerfed?
lol a easy fix to increase yield is to have the orca follow the edge of the belt. mining the roids as it slowly goes forem one side to the other.
I LOVE THE NEW ORCA! |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.13 14:31:53 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Yeah, a maxed out boosted Hulk hits around 3km3/m pretty easily. The Orca doesn't even mine as much as a boosted Skiff, though one Orca boosting other mining ships makes a pretty nice total contribution.
People always complain about how there is no reason to bring an orca out to the belt when you only have 1-2 people mining.
Because the orca itself cant really contribute to the mining op, making it a better choice to just bring another mining barge. Now the orca will be capable of accualy contributing to the op with its enhanced mining drones, making it a loot more viable to bring one to the belt. And when its solo then heck. it can still be used thanks to the fact that it mines like an unboosted exhumer. And with its vastly increased ore hold it can accualy full fill the role of ore hauler. oooor it can mine for around...3 hours all alone wihtout the need to unload thanks to the fact that it does have a large cargo hold and good mining abilities. On top of being super tough with some decent drone damage to booth. Man!... I love this thing. |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.13 14:57:43 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:RainReaper wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Yeah, a maxed out boosted Hulk hits around 3km3/m pretty easily. The Orca doesn't even mine as much as a boosted Skiff, though one Orca boosting other mining ships makes a pretty nice total contribution. People always complain about how there is no reason to bring an orca out to the belt when you only have 1-2 people mining. Because the orca itself cant really contribute to the mining op, making it a better choice to just bring another mining barge. Now the orca will be capable of accualy contributing to the op with its enhanced mining drones, making it a loot more viable to bring one to the belt. And when its solo then heck. it can still be used thanks to the fact that it mines like an unboosted exhumer. And with its vastly increased ore hold it can accualy full fill the role of ore hauler. oooor it can mine for around...3 hours all alone wihtout the need to unload thanks to the fact that it does have a large cargo hold and good mining abilities. On top of being super tough with some decent drone damage to booth. Its one weakness I guess is the fact that its so slow. altough I dont know what the 100m mass decrease is gonna do to it. Will the after burrner give a better speed boost? cause it curently dosent even give the orca a 100% speed boost. will be intresting to see. Man!... I love this thing. Oh, yeah, the mining amount here is a nice buff. Not at all trying to say it's insignificant, I'm just saying that I don't think we'll see very many solo Orca miners because you're better off with a single Skiff than a single Orca unless you have a *really* long warp. Personally I think I'd put the mining yield of the Orca at around the level of a Mining Barge or a full-tank Skiff, which seems pretty reasonable.
When you have no drone mining rigs on it yeah but if you go full out on that then id say it can mine prety damn good lol. and again that ore hold will let it mine for 2-3 hours. depending on if you do fit it for full tank or full yield lol. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.13 18:45:30 -
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I have to ask, will we be geting an updated Orca hull soon? Im jsut saying it would be nice if we could get vissible drone bays on the Orca like you did with the barges. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.14 00:10:49 -
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RainReaper wrote:I have to ask, will we be geting an updated Orca hull soon? Im jsut saying it would be nice if we could get vissible drone bays on the Orca like you did with the barges.
id say scrath what i said before!
on the test server the orca have little lights moving from around difrent poitns on the hull on the test server! and there is like 9 new skins for all the industrial command ships! holy hek its cool! |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.14 00:16:25 -
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RainReaper wrote:RainReaper wrote:I have to ask, will we be geting an updated Orca hull soon? Im jsut saying it would be nice if we could get vissible drone bays on the Orca like you did with the barges. id say scrath what i said before! on the test server the orca have little lights moving from around difrent poitns on the hull on the test server! and there is like 9 new skins for all the industrial command ships! holy hek its cool!
THE BARGES HAVE IT TOO MY GOOOOOD |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.10.14 14:50:22 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:RainReaper wrote:RainReaper wrote:RainReaper wrote:I have to ask, will we be geting an updated Orca hull soon? Im jsut saying it would be nice if we could get vissible drone bays on the Orca like you did with the barges. id say scrath what i said before! on the test server the orca have little lights moving from around difrent poitns on the hull on the test server! and there is like 9 new skins for all the industrial command ships! holy hek its cool! THE BARGES HAVE IT TOO MY GOOOOOD I wonder if this means we'll get actual pirate mining ships for the Mining spawns instead of haulers and Carriers.
Accualy if you check the lastest releases and nov 8 you can see all the way down in the list that there will be more acctivity in the asteroid belts, with a prowler/wreathe with a angel skin on it surrounded by 3 angel battleships, so npcs will have mining ops themselves. i think nov 8 will be the most intresting expansion yet with new industry buffs to ships and nerfs(complexes) and even npcs having their own ops. altough i do wonder. will they mine up the ore? or will they jsut move around the belts and look like they are mining but not accualy taking the ore from the belts. will be intresting as fack to see it all take place lol |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.14 14:52:59 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:RainReaper wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:RainReaper wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Yeah, a maxed out boosted Hulk hits around 3km3/m pretty easily. The Orca doesn't even mine as much as a boosted Skiff, though one Orca boosting other mining ships makes a pretty nice total contribution. People always complain about how there is no reason to bring an orca out to the belt when you only have 1-2 people mining. Because the orca itself cant really contribute to the mining op, making it a better choice to just bring another mining barge. Now the orca will be capable of accualy contributing to the op with its enhanced mining drones, making it a loot more viable to bring one to the belt. And when its solo then heck. it can still be used thanks to the fact that it mines like an unboosted exhumer. And with its vastly increased ore hold it can accualy full fill the role of ore hauler. oooor it can mine for around...3 hours all alone wihtout the need to unload thanks to the fact that it does have a large cargo hold and good mining abilities. On top of being super tough with some decent drone damage to booth. Its one weakness I guess is the fact that its so slow. altough I dont know what the 100m mass decrease is gonna do to it. Will the after burrner give a better speed boost? cause it curently dosent even give the orca a 100% speed boost. will be intresting to see. Man!... I love this thing. Oh, yeah, the mining amount here is a nice buff. Not at all trying to say it's insignificant, I'm just saying that I don't think we'll see very many solo Orca miners because you're better off with a single Skiff than a single Orca unless you have a *really* long warp. Personally I think I'd put the mining yield of the Orca at around the level of a Mining Barge or a full-tank Skiff, which seems pretty reasonable. When you have no drone mining rigs on it yeah but if you go full out on that then id say it can mine prety damn good lol. and again that ore hold will let it mine for 2-3 hours. depending on if you do fit it for full tank or full yield lol. PS #formom And how efficient that is, 2 or 3 hours sitting in an ice belt, with your one drone out there doing its thing, for one load of ice. When you could use a Skiff and mine twice as much in the same time. That is, if the ice belt stays there long enough for you to fill the Orca, most of the ones around near my operation are gone in an hour. So unless CCP has plans to remove multiboxing, I wouldn't count on making too much isk with your billion isk mining Orca and its drone. lol hey it all depends on how quick that one drone does mine. and the orca got a role 25% time reduction and also a total 50% reduction with industrial command ship skill att lv 5. on top of 25% from the ice drone skill and an auditional 10% from the ice drone specialisation skill. ofcourse im not saying that its gonna measure up to a bonused exhumer. but i dont think it will be slow lol |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.15 01:50:19 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote:And how efficient that is, 2 or 3 hours sitting in an ice belt, with your one drone out there doing its thing, for one load of ice. When you could use a Skiff and mine twice as much in the same time. That is, if the ice belt stays there long enough for you to fill the Orca, most of the ones around near my operation are gone in an hour.
So unless CCP has plans to remove multiboxing, I wouldn't count on making too much isk with your billion isk mining Orca and its drone.
FYI an Orca actually mines slightly better than a solo Skiff. Skiff mines about 1400 m3/m max, Orca mines around 1600 m3/m max. That doesn't factor in travel time but if you snuggle up to the rock then you should at least break even with a Skiff's mining rate. I think you missed the idea I was trying to get across. An Orca will have ONE ice mining drone to mine with. A skiff, will have 2 lasers PLUS an ice mining drone. Now unless my math is really bad - An Orca will never pull more ice than a Skiff in the same time period. I dunno, maybe others aren't thinking about using these new drones on exhumers for the faster "full load" times - But I will be.
i do have to ask. do you know what the final stats of the new ice mining drone will be? not to be rude but id say tis a bit early to assume anything just yet. the ice mining drone might have prety damn good base harvesting time. and combined with the orcas base 25% time reduction AND its total 50% time reduction from the industrial command ship skill it might mine around 2 blocks by the time the skiffs 2 ice harvesters finish a cycle each. now for sure when you combine a skiff with both ice harvesters and an ice mining drone i do belive that it might be a bit faster. but the orca is most likely very close. ofcourse it will be slower the further away form the asteroid the orca is. but you can keep it as close as possible to ensure you get best possible mining time. and again it is in no way shape or form supsoed to outclass the main mining barge ships. cause im sure ccp dosent want them to become obselete, exept with the rorqual but hey tis expensive as heck and super risky to activate that siege to accuire that 18k a min mining rate lol |
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RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.17 09:07:58 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Is there anything that affects the drones other than the rigs? Obviously we'll have the faction drones themselves which may be prohibitive if they become a target, but aside from rig slots the native HP still makes for s decent defense and leaves slots to spare for other things.
Possibly Drone Nav Comps - which should increase the travel speed. I know that works for Salvage Drones.
this is a good idea! drone nav computers to increase the yield from having my mining drones move faster! dident think about it att first lol
BTW you what i think would be cool now that mining drones is something that can be considered? MLU low slot moduels that affect drones. we have drone damage amps so why not make drone mining upgrades? |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.26 16:21:27 -
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Ded Akara wrote:Did I hear CCP say they are going to release ice mining drone rigs as well? So far I can't see them on test server. Can anyone else see them? The old drone mining rigs have gained a % decrease to ice drone mining times. so the old drone mining rigs now affect both regular drones and ice drones. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.10.27 19:05:09 -
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aldhura wrote:FleetAdmiralHarper wrote:I think the Orcas yield is still to low personally. i think it should get another +600 to max mining per min with drones, and i think it should get more ice mining drone cycle bonuses.. I dont feel like this is enough.
i dont care if its "as good as a barge" as some people claim, it also cost 4x what that T2 barge cost so it should be Better at the job.
Also i think its time they added Capital Strip miners. the orca should beable to put 4 of them on if it wants to.. or atleast put 4 normal strip miners on... We have needed a Capital mining ship for a very long time now. Capital and super capital ships take armies of mining alts weeks of boring AFK mining to make even 1 ship..
As for the PVP players out there looking at this change, i want you to think about this.. if CCP makes these ships REALLY attractive, i mean REALLY REALLY freaking attractive for miners to be in them! (and no currently what is purposed is NOT enough for miners to want to risk them) mining. Than that means you will get more really expensive kills on your boards, and people might even try to defend them in belts which means even more fights and kills..
Edit: Ice mining drones are to dang big. please make them 25 m3/bandwidth. and not 50. thx
Oh lastly CCP, plz don't forget to make gas mining drones =)
my 2 cents. 0/ How did you get it be "as good as a barge" ?? I am not a great miner, but was keen to see how close I could get them, but my mack easily out mines the orca. I am sure I have missed something as I still don't know what to do with all 6 HS :/ 3 highslots are to be used with any combination of shield/mining bursts, as its main role is that of a fleet booster. And then for its remaining 3 slots you can use a combo of tractor beams/salvagers and even remote shield boosters as it got bonuses for tractor beams to help it reach for droped ore cans the miners drop when mining as well as salvaging of npc/ganker wrecks when they haven been taken care of, as well as the new remote shield logi bonuses the orca gets, also even if you mine solo. using the 3 shield bursts will allow the orca to get enhanced tanking abileties. This is because you dont require fleet mates anymore when using the bursts. While the mining bursts dont affect drones the shield bursts will affect the orca. Giving it enhanced shield amounts and resistances. |
RainReaper
RRN Assembly INC
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Posted - 2016.11.05 02:14:43 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:Iowa Banshee wrote: Its so elegant: Code ganks miners - Miners get Orcas - Code bump orcas - Miners get Alphas Miners Gank code, The circle is complete
Kind of off-topic but there are problems with your theory. 1) Miners won't try to gank bumpers because they can't be bothered. 2) Miners can't successfully gank bumpers because CODE. always wins. And 3) It will give us a kill right on them so their mining days are over for at least a month.
3 isent exactly a valid point cause they would use a alpha account to do the ganking. not their main account lol |
RainReaper
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Posted - 2016.11.12 22:25:00 -
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Raven Ship wrote:There are quite few statments from people about how much is mined by what, but those peps forget about that those exhumers at present are getting boosts, ~2600m3 per min with mackinaw now, so switch from mining ship for orca will be downgrade for that miner. ...and to get those boosts you need an orca. sure any orca after the first one would be kind of a waste. but there is always gonna be room for 1 orca. after that you should bring mining barges/exhumers. |
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