Combat? logistics? What role?

Preferably combat. I want to try my hand at shooting stuff. I assume any armor logi is good for armor fleet, and any shield logi is good for shield fleets, right?

I don't know the correct answer to your question, but I will ask: is a Hurricane good for Incursions? Or should I build up my armory and wait for something more powerful, like a Typhoon, or even "higher up" than that?

It is pretty sad that unless you are in a 2-3B isk ship with plenty of faction mods. You just don't get picked.

Early in incursions I was able to get in with a POS raven with some buffer and launchers and it was fun. Now the ONLY thought is ISK/HR.

It is pretty sad that unless you are in a 2-3B isk ship with plenty of faction mods. You just don't get picked.

This is the consequence of having the incursion system without the necessary variation in DPS that would prevent as much will to use the "shiny" fleets.

If CCP would make the spawn alot more random (Where suddenly you can get WTFpwned before the logis can get to you) stuff. Fitting for tank would atleast grow in importance and the overall DPS and ISK/hr reduction would atleast partially stem the waterfall of isk entering the economy and allow those who have invested in tank skills more of a chance to be picked.

Early in incursions I was able to get in with a POS raven with some buffer and launchers and it was fun. Now the ONLY thought is ISK/HR.

Assuming I go for legion, roughly how much isk/hour would I be looking at?

So pretty much no chance of getting in a decent fleet that makes cash unless I bring a legion with decent faction mods or better, right?

It is pretty sad that unless you are in a 2-3B isk ship with plenty of faction mods. You just don't get picked.

This is the consequence of having the incursion system without the necessary variation in DPS that would prevent as much will to use the "shiny" fleets.

If CCP would make the spawn alot more random (Where suddenly you can get WTFpwned before the logis can get to you) stuff. Fitting for tank would atleast grow in importance and the overall DPS and ISK/hr reduction would atleast partially stem the waterfall of isk entering the economy and allow those who have invested in tank skills more of a chance to be picked.

Early in incursions I was able to get in with a POS raven with some buffer and launchers and it was fun. Now the ONLY thought is ISK/HR.

So pretty much no chance of getting in a decent fleet that makes cash unless I bring a legion with decent faction mods or better, right?

Assuming I go for legion, roughly how much isk/hour would I be looking at?

Thanks everyone for the feedback:)

Re ppl leaving after one site: how long (sites and time) does an incursion op usually last?

Also, I'd be most grateful if smb pointed me to some decent incursion channels(armor ones, since.I'm set on a legion

For Shield VG's

Vindi has the highest DPS and the Nightmare has the highest applied DPS w/o webs

The mach is inferior to both ships. I ran the math for all 3 BEFORE the blaster tracking buff

Lol@math. Note the EFT warrioring right there. If math comes into it Vindi fleet would have a chance contesting with Legion fleet in NCOs. Ironically, armor Mach fleet is the only one that stands a chance - similar dmg projection, tracking speed, cruiser sized locking speed, sig, agility, speed, etc.

I like how you call someone out for EFT warrioring, then immediately imply that sig, agility and speed matter while running NCOs.

It's all connected, and originate from the fact that Mach handles not like a BS, but one hull size smaller. Sig, in particular, is a factor in its locking speed being competitive with Legion. Agility is responsible for align and bounce. All are interrelated to "handling." Fly it first, then look at stats, and you'll see why it handles the way it does. Just EFT, and you'll miss everything that matters.

Caveat to the above statement is that it's true only if people are lazy and just sit on the warpin and don't move. I'm starting to have some success with a MWD vindicator to close the distance to increase blaster dps, and think the same would work well on a machariel. It's especially nice to light up a deltole with void ammo at <5km

Ideal ship set up would be for me

2 basis with remote sebos and at least one of the basi's 4/2 fit to feed cap requests
4 nightmares
3 machariels
2 vindicators

All of the dps ships should be dual faction webs and an offgrid skirmish booster. Also vindicators should fit MWD to be useful in OTAs

Caveat to the movement is that if they aggress the MWD Vindi then the spawns will be pushed away from the main fleet; also, if you're competing, you have less time to get in range and be useful.

As for the Machariel vs Nightmare:

NM faction ammo is more affordable.
NM close range ammo does the same damage at 15 and tracks better (0.076 vs 0.0933)
NM scorch does more damage between 40km and 70km vs RF EMP on the Mach.
NM with a scan-res SeBo has the same scan-res as a Mach without a SeBo, but the Mach doesn't have the extra midslot to fit one.
Same tank, NM has one more utility high. Granted, this assumes a WELL FIT NM and not a scrubfit...

I'd take a fleet of 2 basis and 8 NM to be honest.

Also general pro tip for new players is carry medium shield drones if you have the space in the drone bay. A cloud of them from 8-9 players = a logi. It's great insurance when one of your logis disconnect in the middle of an OTA. It's really saved my fleets from some surprise moments.

It's all connected, and originate from the fact that Mach handles not like a BS, but one hull size smaller. Sig, in particular, is a factor in its locking speed being competitive with Legion. Agility is responsible for align and bounce. All are interrelated to "handling." Fly it first, then look at stats, and you'll see why it handles the way it does. Just EFT, and you'll miss everything that matters.

Caveat to the movement is that if they aggress the MWD Vindi then the spawns will be pushed away from the main fleet; also, if you're competing, you have less time to get in range and be useful.

As for the Machariel vs Nightmare:

NM faction ammo is more affordable.
NM close range ammo does the same damage at 15 and tracks better (0.076 vs 0.0933)
NM scorch does more damage between 40km and 70km vs RF EMP on the Mach.
NM with a scan-res SeBo has the same scan-res as a Mach without a SeBo, but the Mach doesn't have the extra midslot to fit one.
Same tank, NM has one more utility high. Granted, this assumes a WELL FIT NM and not a scrubfit...

I'd take a fleet of 2 basis and 8 NM to be honest.