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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.22 06:55:00 -
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might wanna help if patinum insurance covered more of the ship's cost...as is, it doesnt even cover the ship cost, let alone the partial cost of new insurance...
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Kalle Port
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Posted - 2003.12.22 09:24:00 -
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And this is different from real life insurance how exactly? :)
I know, i know, its a game, blah blah blah but an insurance that pays back the whole ship including insurance fee was just silly. I say don't change the insurance, just wait till the ship prices drop again.
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Ariell Lucinwind
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Posted - 2003.12.22 09:29:00 -
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And this is different from real life insurance how exactly? :)
I know, i know, its a game, blah blah blah but an insurance that pays back the whole ship including insurance fee was just silly. I say don't change the insurance, just wait till the ship prices drop again.
The game will turn into carebear land if no one PvPs cause the insurance bites. I think that is his real response/statement.
Am I right ? Close even ?
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Sphalerite
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Posted - 2003.12.22 09:40:00 -
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I thought that plat insurance covered the NPC mineral cost of the ship. If that's so, then they really can't raise the payout at all without it being scammable.
If insurance payed off according to the market prices, we'd see ship manufacturers selling on the market at huge prices, then doing p2p deals and blowing up their own products once mineral prices come down. No real way around it. Can't afford it? Fly something cheaper.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2003.12.22 09:55:00 -
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People will just HAVE to get used to fighting in Cruisers and frigates. Cheaper and more disposable.
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Caelian
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Posted - 2003.12.22 10:02:00 -
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rofl
I can remember a long thread, in which nearly all PvP'ers and pirates were complaining how insurance was too lenient and allowed for people to be back in action in 5minutes. And oh, how unrealistic that was.
Since the patch, I see a lot more frigs and cruisers about, a good change IMHO.
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Duke Droklar
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Posted - 2003.12.22 11:03:00 -
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Personally I like it. We have a very good kill to loss ratio so it benefits us if they lose more with each loss. 
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toaster
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Posted - 2003.12.22 13:12:00 -
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Personally I like it. We have a very good kill to loss ratio so it benefits us if they lose more with each loss.
this is a game guys. Games should be fun. Unless you don't work or go to school, we all don't have 24/7 to mine for a new ship. Mega corps are very organized and have lots of resources at their disposal, so getting a new ship takes a LOT less time than small corps or solo guys.
I think the cost/benefit of getting ships at these prices is riduculous. I would go a step further and say it was even ridululous before castor and the high ship prices.
Remember, it's a game and should be fun..not a 2nd job.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.22 19:47:00 -
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well...i'd be OK if the insurance covered the full ship cost(it works like that in real life too ya know?), but not the cost to buy a new insurance...
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Maxson
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Posted - 2003.12.22 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Maxson on 22/12/2003 19:56:05
How bout if everytime you lost your ship, the insurance became more expensive?
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.22 20:08:00 -
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thats fine too...as long as the ship cost is covered fully...people need tools to make money.
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Casca
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Posted - 2003.12.22 20:21:00 -
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I thought that plat insurance covered the NPC mineral cost of the ship. If that's so, then they really can't raise the payout at all without it being scammable.
If insurance payed off according to the market prices, we'd see ship manufacturers selling on the market at huge prices, then doing p2p deals and blowing up their own products once mineral prices come down. No real way around it. Can't afford it? Fly something cheaper.
Well I hate this patch but have to agree with your responce insurance is fine it's the rest of the game that got screwed.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.12.22 20:24:00 -
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I say cut the insurance. Who needs that? Then PVP will become more challenging and ship building will make sense. But the again thats just my opinion.
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Tirren
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Posted - 2003.12.22 20:57:00 -
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What of the people who detest PvP and PK. I am one of them. If i want that I'll go play counter strike. I want to build something here, not work to avoid pirates and such. Missions are now taking me consistently through a system that has had 15-30pods/24 hr for the past week. The payout for these missions aren't very good, and my insurance doesn't even cover half the cost of my ship. If I ignore or decline the mission I lose rating.
This game has become even more unbalanced than previously and the winners are the mega-corps and Pirates. Pirates don't even give you a chance to pay a toll. You jump into a system by the time your ship has turned towards your next destination or back to the gate to flee your dead, but not only dead - Podded!.
I'm a firm believer that some protection should be given to those PC's who dislike PK but want to do something else ie. agent missions.
Thats my two isk worth.
"I can only take so much before I'll blow up my own ship. Hey isn't that what insurance is for?"
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Skillz
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Posted - 2003.12.22 21:09:00 -
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I took a platinum on my Apoc, then I got ambused and ganked. I got out with my pod, newbie battleship drivers in huge amounts.
Insurance pays out 140 million isk. Not bad at all, it seems like I made some isk because I went and bought a scorp for 65 million right after.
Keep on flaming, lamers.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.22 22:17:00 -
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If possible imho the insurance pay back should take into acount the current situation on the amrket, it should tke into account the average prices of minerals
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Chucky
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Posted - 2003.12.22 22:25:00 -
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Prior to the last patch people were claiming the pay out was too high, they fighting endless amounts of scorps or something. Funny how things change
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.22 22:47:00 -
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There has to be a cost in fighting otherwise no fights can ever come to a conclusion. Anyone with enough isk can be back into a ship at no cost within minutes.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.22 23:30:00 -
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there is. if you loose a tier 1 ship u loose around 20-30 mil...shouldnt be more then 21, the price of a new insurance >.<
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.23 00:28:00 -
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there is. if you loose a tier 1 ship u loose around 20-30 mil...shouldnt be more then 21, the price of a new insurance >.<
anything beyond the NPC mineral base price for constructing a ship is instantly exploitable... i dont see how they can get around simple but awkward truth.
it also, for my mind, makes any issue of there being a "Better way" to do things entirely a moot point. 
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Teeth
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Posted - 2003.12.23 01:24:00 -
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Um... let's see... waaaah, waaaah, such a carebear pirate. Want a cookie? kthnxbye.
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Silinary
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Posted - 2003.12.23 03:13:00 -
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For a while before Castor, a lot complained that the payout was too high. Now it's too low. The payout hasn't changed. The market value of the minerals and the ship costs reflecting those increases changed. There may be less fighting as the cost is more and ships arn't instantly replacable. When people stockpile enough minerals and/or ships, they'll be out fighting again. Or, when the market prices drop because people arn't buying new ships, so shipbuilders arn't buying new minerals, so mineral prices drop, ship prices drop, and thus, insrance now pays relativly more of the cost.
It's a live market, deal with it.
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Parallax 7D
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Posted - 2003.12.23 03:35:00 -
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i for one will be curtailing conventional pvp unless insurance covers the cost of the ship.
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Slinky Redfoot
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Posted - 2003.12.23 03:39:00 -
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More risk equals more fun.
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Cassiopia Phaedra
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Posted - 2003.12.23 04:17:00 -
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pirates ransoming players, miners, traders, or blowing up these players have no one to blame but themselves. These are the people (the miners, traders, haulers...etc) that run the market and decide how much things cost. If you blow up my indy full of bistot you think my prices arent going to go up? Of course not to mention the fact the ore is more difficult to acquire. But the fact remains, pirates DO have an effect on the market.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 04:49:00 -
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there is. if you loose a tier 1 ship u loose around 20-30 mil...shouldnt be more then 21, the price of a new insurance >.<
Only recently did insurance stop covering my costs + price to reinsure.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.23 04:50:00 -
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hmmmm everyone might wanna stop flaming me cuz i dont have an issue with money >.< i just wanted to know what people thought about increasing insurance payouts, and thanks for those of you that stayed on topic (Teeth, end yourself NOW, slave)
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 05:05:00 -
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hmmmm everyone might wanna stop flaming me cuz i dont have an issue with money >.< i just wanted to know what people thought about increasing insurance payouts, and thanks for those of you that stayed on topic (Teeth, end yourself NOW, slave)
Last time I checked on insurance for a scorpion, I'd lose about 7m-8m every ship lost with platinum coverage. But that's because I have access to ships at cost.
Someone that doesn't is getting reamed on the higher end ships. Personally I'd prefer if insurance simply replaced the ship. But then it still gets a bit difficult for others to make that. I remember pretty well half insuring my Rupture or dropping down to my Rifter because I couldn't make the premium. With the prices on full coverage...
Well some people would take catastrophic losses when they risked it and the dice came up snakeeyes. That would be too costly. People from beta can tell you that (ran through 10 Ospreys in about a week once when they were about 10m each  )
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.23 05:10:00 -
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strange, i also get ships at mineral cost...u prolly have better mineral suppliers 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 05:13:00 -
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strange, i also get ships at mineral cost...u prolly have better mineral suppliers
Just more patient when I was buying ore/minerals. And I count my cost by what I pay, not the market high as that's mostly desperation sales.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
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Posted - 2003.12.23 07:29:00 -
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Thats right negotator, now your going to have to WORK a little after you get though popping 10 inocoents and finally lose your ship. Your still only doing the tiniest fraction of the work you cost others. Funny that your whining about it already, pirates are weak. Now the regular guys get a chance to ply our strength against yours, we are willing to work hard to buy more ships, your only willing to kill if its easy, and thus rely on lots of PvP exp and fighting skills to compensate for our work ethic. I for one am tired of having no way to balance pirate gurilla tactics as good guys with our skill set. This is a good change and I really hope it stays this way.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.23 07:45:00 -
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you completely missed the point and u personalized this thread. i dont realy care if i loose ships - i have enough money to buy several battleships, CFS members keep buying their loot back which gives a fairly good income. Dont worry, its not 10 innocents, its far far more ;) Statisticly, i loose a ship every week...
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 07:53:00 -
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Thats right negotator, now your going to have to WORK a little after you get though popping 10 inocoents and finally lose your ship. Your still only doing the tiniest fraction of the work you cost others. Funny that your whining about it already, pirates are weak. Now the regular guys get a chance to ply our strength against yours, we are willing to work hard to buy more ships, your only willing to kill if its easy, and thus rely on lots of PvP exp and fighting skills to compensate for our work ethic. I for one am tired of having no way to balance pirate gurilla tactics as good guys with our skill set. This is a good change and I really hope it stays this way.
... (ran through 10 Ospreys in about a week once when they were about 10m each )
Did you miss the point? No insurance. Tier 1 cruisers were the best cruisers availible. They were selling around 10m each. I went through 10 in a week.
Takes more than pluck to dent someone prepared even with complete losses.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2003.12.23 08:25:00 -
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Insurance at the moment is unbalanced and pretty dull. Its static where as it should move with the market. Some better system (s) would be:
* Average the battleship price price or whatever your trying to insure and cover a fixed percentage of that (or a fixed percentage of mineral cost at regions average mineral values).
* Could have insurance given by megacorps and the standing with them effects the payout a little. Maybe your sec rating too could effect it.
* Your death history could be used also. If you die repeatedly, obvious an realistic company with raise your cover charge. Could apply here too. Would hurt PVPer that die alot more. Could be weighted against combat experience (how many ship you killed) so its not all carebearish.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Sara Kerrigan
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Posted - 2003.12.23 08:51:00 -
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I want an option for the insurance to replace my ship instead of the ISK :( I don't want that bloody Ibis.
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