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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.14 13:36:43 -
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Allowing people to accumulate gigantic festering mountains of ISK in a manner that cannot be interdicted within the game is an absolute anathema to the very concept of EVE as a sandbox.
Casinos, both the virtual and bricks & mortar, always have the odds stacked in their own favour. Fair enough, they're a business not a charity. The same is generally not true of bookmakers taking bets on sports events. It's quite possible for a bookie to go broke either by putting up insane odds or by simply not paying attention and taking more bets than they can pay out. I have some friends who are IRL bookies. Some race meets they're ahead. Some they're out of pocket. They are taking real risks with their own cash.
The only way to interrupt said rivers of third party casino ISK would be to commit actual real world computer crimes against these sites. Be it by extended DDoS attacks &/or a direct hack into the site, it requires the use of a lot of tools and skills that have little or nothing to do with EVE.
Compare that with the many, many in-game methods there are of generating ISK, all of which can be interrupted by other players:
You want to multibox a highsec Ice mining fleet? We can gank that.
You're off AFK ratting in deepest 0.0? We can find you and kill your ship. We have maps that show us what regions are actively being ratted.
You're in a wormhole running sites? All it takes is one person to spot you and they can call in the cavalry and blow up your ships.
You're an industrialist building super-capitals? That SCSAA can be seen on D-Scan and your towers reinforced.
Even station trading can be as ruthless. Market manipulations are not uncommon.
The Mittani makes a very valid point when he said that a game without an age barrier shouldn't be see to condone or facilitate underage gambling. Out here in The Real World, we wouldn't let a 14yo kid loose in a casino.
I'm not surprised that some players with the requisit skills and knowledge built casino sites. It was probably to be expected in a game as long running as EVE. I am a little surprised that CCP took so long to shut them down. Now it's done, huzzah!
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.15 08:31:18 -
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Toobo wrote:As for Mephiz, I think it's already clear that I disagree with you on casino issue, but I can see your point.
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
I have no sympathy for casinos. I feel online betting agencies are a scourge on society as they profit from misery. At least before the internet, you had to get off your couch and leave the house to place a bet.
Today, you can lose your house with a couple of imprudent swipes on a mobile phone screen.
Very few online gambling agencies contribute anything back into the sports or events they offer odds on, I suppose in this regard the EVE casinos were a little better than many.
In any event, IRL gambling is usually heavily regulated by governments, for a variety of reasons. If CCP allowed it to continue, they could very easily find themselves dragged before the courts and asked to explain themselves. One simple rule of business is to try and avoid courts wherever possible.
CCP has made a straightforward business decision to simply remove that possibility. If you *hate* what they have done, I daresay you're in the minority.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.16 05:11:54 -
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Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious  Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British.....
if you're referring to me, your memory is faulty.
I'm Australian. Although I did live and work in the UK during the Blair years.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.16 08:06:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mephiztopheleze wrote:Toobo wrote:Chopper, how's that different from this? I'm genuinely curious Mephiztopheleze wrote:
I spent 12 years as a Barman in venues where there were poker machines and betting available on horses. I have seen families destroyed more than once. This has been followed by some 22 years, and counting, in commercial media where I have covered numerous stories of how problem gambling has devastated families, destroyed businesses and in some cases, dragged down entire communities.
Just realised somehow I remember you to be British..... if you're referring to me, your memory is faulty. I'm Australian. Although I did live and work in the UK during the Blair years. Should have been clear when you said you were a barman 
oddly enough, i never worked as a barman in the UK. worked on Fleet Street.
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.17 00:19:00 -
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This excellent article on Crossing Zebras should explain it all: http://crossingzebras.com/its-just-business/
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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
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Posted - 2016.10.17 09:05:48 -
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Michael Ruckert wrote:Posting in stealth Hillary Clinton social engineering thread to Make Eve Great Again.
kindly take your real world political bullshite elsewhere.
EVE has enough politics of it's own, tyvm.
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