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Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.10.16 08:33:43 -
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well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.
Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****) |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
967
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Posted - 2016.10.16 09:26:42 -
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The bubble burst around Crius and Somer being banned, anyone holding T2 ship BPOs then lost a fair few digits.
For what it's worth, I've sold something like 60 T2 BPOs this year, that's about 33 per 6 months.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
447
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Posted - 2016.10.16 09:31:15 -
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Invention cost for Hobgoblins averages just under 50K ISK/drone. Someone currently has a T2 BPO for hobs offered on contract for 99.9 billion - basically the cost of inventing 2 million drones. It's true the BPO should retain its value and there will be ME savings but I believe you will be far better off financially if you invest that capital elsewhere.
Eve is a game and ISK isn't the only measure of value. I personally would be better off financially if I sold most of my blueprint collection but, I'm still collecting the damn things (burst BPOs). Some people will want a T2 BPO as a status symbol but it isn't really a practical investment. |
Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.10.16 09:37:54 -
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Do Little wrote:Invention cost for Hobgoblins averages just under 50K ISK/drone. Someone currently has a T2 BPO for hobs offered on contract for 99.9 billion - basically the cost of inventing 2 million drones. It's true the BPO should retain its value and there will be ME savings but I believe you will be far better off financially if you invest that capital elsewhere.
Eve is a game and ISK isn't the only measure of value. I personally would be better off financially if I sold most of my blueprint collection but, I'm still collecting the damn things (burst BPOs). Some people will want a T2 BPO as a status symbol but it isn't really a practical investment.
yes. in 2012-invention buff in 20?? it was like an infinite profit pool to flip t2 bpos and the bubble became insanely big. I quit shortly after invention buff cause it was a pain to flip t2prints with good profit (even profitable ones). I make more profit with officer mod flipping atm. The numbers of liz are highly doubtful for me, cause I've practiced this bsns for a very long time (even in the time before liz appeared). That would be 6 t2bpos flipped per month.... can't believe that without a proof and ive discussed this topic with many high stake traders. |
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
967
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:25:04 -
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Just look through my public contract history, once you find 10 or so let me know and I'll go look for the private contracts (I sold about 25 at once to a single person, and another 10 or so privately to people in this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=464352.
I bet you also don't believe what a Raven State Issue sold for recently. I don't understand why you'd doubt these claims, I'm sure you've done similar things before and I'm pretty sure you're richer than me.
This is just a retread of Hemmo's salty posting, isn't it? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6668258#post6668258
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Big Lynx
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:30:24 -
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Why are you posting with liz' toon, cody? Still roleplaying liz, although she/he quit eve a while ago? And why are you trying to insult me like that? I forgot, that it's near impossible to discuss things factually with you.
for that, big brother, plz close this |
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
890
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:35:51 -
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Big Lynx wrote:
Why are you posting with liz' toon, cody? Still roleplaying liz, although she/he quit eve a while ago? And why are you trying to insult me like that? I forgot, that it's near impossible to discuss things factually with you.
for that, big brother, plz close this
it is one of the best quotes ever made by Biggy... deserved to be Eve's history
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
967
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:37:44 -
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Anyone with a clue knows that Cody and I are different people, if you have any information on me quitting then I'd very much like to hear it. I'm not trying to insult you, I just don't like people who don't have a clue shitting on my friends. Feel free to point out anything I've said that I was attempting to convey as a fact, that is provably not a fact.
Hell, I would love you to prove the Cody and I are one and the same, because then my NAV would more than double!  Tell you what, I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
301
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:56:39 -
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Better to close the thread now than before it gets worse.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
891
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Posted - 2016.10.16 10:57:51 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote: I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.
i'll be a 3rd party on that bet
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
301
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:00:47 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:Elizabeth Norn wrote: I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person. i'll be a 3rd party on that bet
You can continue to waste your time as usual.
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
301
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:09:42 -
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Big Lynx wrote:well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.
Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****)
Just use your imagination like you did on your AT ship prices and your claim of how many guardian-vexors still exist. (Hint: It's way more than 5)
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Big Lynx
7478
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:18:37 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Hell, I would love you to prove the Cody and I are one and the same, because then my NAV would more than double! Tell you what, I'll give you 1T ISK if you can prove that we are the same person.
well, after giving this thread some time for maturing the proof showed itself automatically, plz send 1T to B4R... (maybe I am wrong, and Liz is not Cody or vice versa, however, it seems that the codian troll disease has become very acute in Liz. I can remember Liz has been a person with integrity and without prejudice, thinking of her style of writing and interacting amongst other things.)
i am outa here.
ps: maybe a respectable trader could pm me a useful point-of-view |
Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
301
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:26:21 -
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The only thing more questionable than this thread are your Chameleon piloting skills. You'd think you would be flying in the AT finals by now. Is it time to sell all of your characters like hemmo too? Don't let the door hit ya on the way out. o7 
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
968
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:26:44 -
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Please point out where I have acted without integrity, with prejudice, or when I've made up facts. I would like to fix these personality flaws of mine if they exist, if they don't then this is slanderous and I don't like it one bit.
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Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
200
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Posted - 2016.10.16 11:46:23 -
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holy ****. this thread is so salty. where did Big L touch you cody? lol |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3023
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Posted - 2016.10.16 12:47:30 -
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I would be happy to take a T2 BPO as donation before they are worthless, I promise to not sell it immediately but use in production. 
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
968
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Posted - 2016.10.16 13:00:43 -
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Agata Matahari wrote:holy ****. this thread is so salty. where did Big L touch you cody? lol
I think you've got that the wrong way round. seeing as it's Big Lynx who started this thread calling out Cody.
Also, I can :tinfoil: too  .
Exhibit A.
Agata Matahari wrote:I am not sure if you know it already but t2bpo gonna be worthless with next big november patch.
Agata Matahari wrote:T2bpo finally on the ground
Agata Matahari wrote:seeing the current t2bpo sales spam in forums and ingame t2bpos finally have become collectors items. no profits to make anymore. yes or no??
Agata Matahari wrote:What's this current t2bpo panic sales all over the place?
Here we see someone who seems to believe, and keeps repeating, that T2 BPOs are in a bad shape, in my opinion they are wrong.
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
968
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Posted - 2016.10.16 13:02:02 -
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Exhibit B.
Big Lynx wrote:[That would be 6 t2bpos flipped per month.... can't believe that without a proof and ive discussed this topic with many high stake traders.
Big Lynx wrote:Welcome to T2BPO trading
Big Lynx wrote:T2BPO Panic sales inc:Twisted:
Big Lynx wrote:T2Print bubble finally burst?
Big Lynx wrote:well, I've done a lot of t2print flipping in the past. i still have some good old (rare) ones which I simply can't part from.
Now, observing Cody's T2print spam-fest (incl. stupid price-tags) in public contracts and selling 1 per half a year, optimistically spoken, I asked myself, what are my t2 prints really worth? I mean in producers' eyes. (Hulk 2x, Cerb, 3 x warriors, 2 x hobs and some ammo *****)
Here we also have someone with some similar opinions and an interesting way to abbreviate the term "Tech 2 Blueprint Original".
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
968
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Posted - 2016.10.16 13:05:03 -
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Exhibit C.
Karen Humphrey wrote:With the given ROI of T2 bpo's, t2 bpo's seem to have lost alot of value and with that, popularity.
So the question of today, is buying T2 bpo's, and relisting them for like, 150b still a viable business model these days?
industry alt 4 wrote:From here : "Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and *******, however not yet reached ****** or ************. Not to be confuzed with douche." ... Who's your favourite douchebag? I will start of with mine: Zahara Cody
ps: He seems to fly around jita with T2 bpo's aswell. pss: Send me quotes for year long perm war dec's and lets have some fun
Finally we have another person (yes, I believe they're the same person due to contract and corporation similarities) who both dislikes Zahara Cody enough to keep talking about and to him, and seems to think that the business of selling T2 BPOs is dead.
Luckily I'm not as paranoid as this post makes me out to be.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House
Solyaris Chtonium
295
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Posted - 2016.10.16 14:12:11 -
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I do not see them as good trade option at this late stage and price. People who bought them before and such are different story, but it's not a new market to enter for someone as a first timer.
Having said that, like I said in another similar thread earlier on MD, if you have enough ISK then ROI time frame or market value of T2 BPO is not a concern. If you already hold large quantity and diversity of assetes and investment as well as enough ISK buffer to feel no need to make quick profit or liquidation, then why not?
The super rich IRL do the same. Buying way over priced lands and properties, hoarding tons of materials/resources, etc.
Common sense says in 99.99% of cases you'd better off using that money for more profitable things, but there are people who belong to that 0.01% in the top rich where common sense is irrelevant and diversity can be attractive by itself regardless of ROI on a particular item. Considering there is no penalty/tax in EVE for keeping high value assets or ISK forever, it's viable consideration.
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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
301
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Posted - 2016.10.16 18:44:29 -
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This is a thread only big Lynx or his alts would make. Thanks for the free publicity.
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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
891
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Posted - 2016.10.17 07:51:05 -
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Big Lynx's alt is here
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Phoenix Pryde
3-I Area 42
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Posted - 2016.10.17 18:34:30 -
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As somebody who probably bought from a couple of you (who knows with all these alts :P).... There are still T2 BPO buyers who buy up to certain margins and/or tastes. But yes, it certainly these days has become (more of) a collection habit and a 'luxury'. I could imagine that would make 'trading' them harder. Then again, i only really ever bought them, and even happily from resellers when it was worth it for me and they offered something 'missing'.
Just for profit's sake not many T2 BPO's are worth it today. And even these only if you look at looong timeframes. I happily recall times when one calculated in 1-2 years of ROI ;P
I wouldn't recommend buying T2 BPO's to anybody wanting to make ISK, but that has been the case for longer now than they were profitable. If its not about ISK alone it still can be a hobby ;P |
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
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Posted - 2016.10.17 21:14:04 -
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Elizabeth Norn wrote:Exhibit C. Karen Humphrey wrote:With the given ROI of T2 bpo's, t2 bpo's seem to have lost alot of value and with that, popularity.
So the question of today, is buying T2 bpo's, and relisting them for like, 150b still a viable business model these days? industry alt 4 wrote:From here : "Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and *******, however not yet reached ****** or ************. Not to be confuzed with douche." ... Who's your favourite douchebag? I will start of with mine: Zahara Cody
ps: He seems to fly around jita with T2 bpo's aswell. pss: Send me quotes for year long perm war dec's and lets have some fun Mr LaboratoryRat wrote:It is not what we do, but how we do certain type of things, that determin who we are.
You,... for instance; like to talk about yourselve and the things you do. It sais that you are egocentric orientated and are not very successfull with having many friends with not similar character properties. People who are not like that, probaly find those types of people assholes.
The pirates/griefers playing style make assholes feel good, so what more can i say: Not everyone, but most people are more likely to be assholes in that playingstyle?
Etherway: self reflection is the way to enlighment
Where is Zahara Cody? He could learn from this. Finally we have another person (yes, I believe all three of the characters quoted in Exhibit C. are the same person due to typing style, general attitude, attempts at deception, contract and corporation similarities) who both dislikes Zahara Cody enough to keep talking about and to him in very dismissive ways, and seems to think that the business of selling T2 BPOs is dead. Other known alts include Hemmo Paskianen and Zexy Jeffries, both of those characters have EVE mailed Zahara some pretty nasty and completely baseless accusations and speculations about his real life, very similar to Mr LaboratoryRat's post I quoted. Luckily I'm not as paranoid as this post makes me out to be. Also this is all so real ******* pathetic, it's just internet spacemoney. Edit: Here's another coincidence. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=hemmo+paskiainen
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=mr+laboratoryrat
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=search&search=sais&postedby=agata+matahari
Interesting detective work. You were the person that unmasked Blueprint Seller too, weren't you?
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Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
974
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Posted - 2016.10.17 21:37:53 -
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It was RAW32 that did the advanced eyebrow analysis, we all knew it though :p. We hoped he had turned over a new leaf, now we pray for him.
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InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
21
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Posted - 2016.10.18 02:14:41 -
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Toobo wrote:I do not see them as good trade option at this late stage and price. People who bought them before and such are different story, but it's not a new market to enter for someone as a first timer.
Having said that, like I said in another similar thread earlier on MD, if you have enough ISK then ROI time frame or market value of T2 BPO is not a concern. If you already hold large quantity and diversity of assetes and investment as well as enough ISK buffer to feel no need to make quick profit or liquidation, then why not?
The super rich IRL do the same. Buying way over priced lands and properties, hoarding tons of materials/resources, etc.
Common sense says in 99.99% of cases you'd better off using that money for more profitable things, but there are people who belong to that 0.01% in the top rich where common sense is irrelevant and diversity can be attractive by itself regardless of ROI on a particular item. Considering there is no penalty/tax in EVE for keeping high value assets or ISK forever, it's viable consideration.
T2 BPO's are like diamonds. They are useless but shiny. As with all things shiny, you can find a rich guy to drop the ISK for it, they're not buying for the returns. Also, many people spend IRL money to fund these purchases.
I have no experience with T2 BPO's. But I think the price for these limited items have a solid correlation with how willing people are to spend IRL money. I wouldn't be surprised if 1/3 (or more) of Tech 2 BPO or AT Ship purchases are funded with IRL money. |
Cista2
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2016.10.18 06:48:07 -
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InterStellar Architect wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if 1/3 (or more) of Tech 2 BPO or AT Ship purchases are funded with IRL money.
Star Citizen is >> that way
In contrast, EVE Online is an actual game, in fact it is a very old game. There are players in EVE that are richer in ingame money than any of us will ever be IRL money :) Do you have any idea what a full set of legacy ships + T2 BPOs would cost you IRL money?
For the record, I am stupified that anyone would think that Norn and Cody could be the same person. Maybe because I regularly talk with both of them :)
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InterStellar Architect
InterStellar Architects Corporation
21
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Posted - 2016.10.18 19:10:28 -
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Cista2 wrote: Do you have any idea what a full set of legacy ships + T2 BPOs would cost you IRL money?
Depends on how much people make. Eve Online player base is older compared to other games.
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Eleonora Skye
Sushi Corp
4
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Posted - 2016.10.18 21:57:53 -
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Cista2 wrote:There are players in EVE that are richer in ingame money than any of us will ever be IRL money :) Do you have any idea what a full set of legacy ships + T2 BPOs would cost you IRL money?
1T ~= 16 500 USD$ (1,2B / Plex)
Even if you know some people with 100T (which i doubt) that's certainly not richer than "any of us" will or could ever be...
The exchange rate is 1/60 000 000, 1 ISK = 0,000000016 USD (still better than where the Zimbabwean dollar ended up), you would need to be very very rich in ISK to brag about your wealth taking real currency as a reference.
Even IWI RMT'ing probably wasn't far away from your average dealer's income. The good part for them is that, in their case, you don't end up in jail.
Still laughable money for any wealthy individual. |
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