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Pixin
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Posted - 2007.03.23 18:34:00 -
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Would I make enough ISK hauling Trade goods from where they can be purchased at a low price to where they are sold off at a higher price to make getting a freighter worth the money? I'm talking dumping lots of ISK into an item and hauling as much as I can afford. I'm a trading newb so go easy on me guys.
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Athena Elderwood
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:27:00 -
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i am also interested in this answer, i am currently looking for a new way to make money. :( missions dont do it for me anymore. At least untill lvl like 7 missions come out.!!! PVE titan setups FTW!! lol
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Mephistocles
Red Frog Investments
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:51:00 -
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If you are talking about NPC trade goods I'd say most of the time, no, it won't be that profitable. Sure, you can turn a profit, but to get the full use out of a freighter you need to fill it. The problem trying to trade NPC goods in bulk is the relatively low amount that you can purchase.
One viable alternative would be minerals. I've found buying and reselling freighter loads of minerals extremely profitable. Trit is a great example. People put up both large buy and sell orders. Many times these orders are in the same system or only a few jumps away. Even though the margin might not be great, you can make up for it in volume. In one system last week I made over 30M in about 15 minutes by buying trit at one station and moving to another station in the same system filling someone's buy order there. It's rare to find something so close, but generally it can net a pretty nice profit with a relatively small amount of work.
I hope that's what you were asking. :P
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Pixin
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Posted - 2007.03.23 19:55:00 -
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This does help, thanks. does anyone else have any experience or tips to share on this topic?
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Calen Niyari
Omniversal Exports
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Posted - 2007.03.23 20:01:00 -
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You could do this if you have tons of money to leave tied up for a while (say you were going on vacation or something).
Make a low buy order in a few places for large amounts. Eventually you'll end up with big piles of NPC goods. Ship them to a sales point and put up a sell order for a high price. Some of it will sell right away, and the rest will sell in dribbles every time the market gets back up to that level.
You might have to put up a buy order in that station to stop other people from selling to the NPC corp and blocking the price from rising far enough.
This would probably take a very long time to work.
Mail me in game if you manage to get it to work, I'd be interested to hear about the results. I'd try it myself if I was anywhere near having a freighter.
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m4jor dis4ster
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:44:00 -
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I have to agree with Mephistocles.
I have been running my freighter for a month now and I make 80 - 100 million isk a week without even trying. All I have done is placed a low priced buy order for Trit in a quiet area of space where miners spend a lot of time clearing the belts daily. After a few days my buy order for Trit is filled and I simply move it to the hub system in that region and sell it for more than what I paid for it, normally 1 isk per unit profit. One isk profit might not seem like much but when you consider that I move 80 million units of trit in one haul it soon adds up to a nice profit.
If I had the time I would find more of these quiet systems where I could place low priced buy orders but as it is I ony do this once or twice a week.
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Pixin
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Posted - 2007.03.24 22:06:00 -
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Thanks M4jor, sounds like a very nice and easy way to go. Anyone have any other tips on making money in a hauler.
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Pirlouit
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.03.25 00:32:00 -
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Dear all,
Mephisto and calen are right spot on the npc trade stuff. The thing about npc trade is that the revenue is fixed in teh system. You can make a nice little earner but it won't get you very far unless you are the patient type by stting buy and sell order.
The palyer market is a lot more profitable since a lot of people have no clue about the real worth of mudane item which can net you nice amrgin. A sneeky way to combine both market is to buy player maed npc goods. Some missions provide npc goods as a reward and I was buying them and then selling them to npc later on, it was quite profitable.
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Ulrich Sternaxe
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Posted - 2007.03.28 11:48:00 -
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 Originally by: m4jor dis4ster
I have to agree with Mephistocles.
I have been running my freighter for a month now and I make 80 - 100 million isk a week without even trying. All I have done is placed a low priced buy order for Trit in a quiet area of space where miners spend a lot of time clearing the belts daily. After a few days my buy order for Trit is filled and I simply move it to the hub system in that region and sell it for more than what I paid for it, normally 1 isk per unit profit. One isk profit might not seem like much but when you consider that I move 80 million units of trit in one haul it soon adds up to a nice profit.
If I had the time I would find more of these quiet systems where I could place low priced buy orders but as it is I ony do this once or twice a week.
Damned, why can't I ever find any of those quiet systems where you can buy about 80 million trit in a few days at 1 ISK below hub market price?! 
Even if I use "export to file" for lonetrek, citadel and the forge I still can't find any system that can support a volume of 80 million trit in a few days at 1.5 - 1.6 ISK per unit of trit...
am I looking in the wrong regions? Should I go more towards lowsec and 0.0 regions (I doubt people will be mining veldspar there though)?
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Wolfgang Jager
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.28 12:58:00 -
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The main thing to remember is that much like everything else in EVE, a freighter is not a license to print money. It is a tool, if it is used well with sufficient financial support and time invested it can make a great deal of money. However, as others have pointed out, you need to have either a great deal of money to tie up in long term trade deals; a great deal of market knowledge and trade savvy; or both. "It takes ISK to make ISK" is especially aplicable here. Without a ton of cash to invest in big trade shipments the billion ISK price of the freighter would probably make you more money if spent on a tier 3 BS with faction/t2 fittings for l4 mission running.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2007.03.28 13:40:00 -
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One of the easy ways to make money with your skills in being able to fly a freighter is to license yourself and ship out to the various corps who need pilots to move their items.
Many corps will pay top dollar to have a third party move their items. |
Maximum Panic
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Posted - 2007.03.28 19:12:00 -
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The problem with NPC trade goods - they are just like 10/10 complexes in 0.0
All the best runs are "23/7 camped". How do I know this...I have spent significant amount of time mapping out the best runs and then alt camping them to buy the goods for shipment. And it is a I can beat your buy order by 0.01 isk game if you a standing order, or just pulling the trigger first and buying high and not taking the full isk range advantage.
Once bought it is typically 1 or 2 jumps into a 0.4 space to pick up or drop off at the best buys. Your market alt now needs to become your freighter scout. Getting ganked by a pirate camp after all that work to get a high profit load really dampens your day.
For myself I typically have 4-5B isk tied up in market orders and partially filled npc trade good orders. I have enough bought inventory to continually keep my freighter flying from point a to b with a run that generates between 25 to 45M isk for a full freighter load. When I get lucky and get a bunch of buy orders before the rest of the competition I use two freighter accounts to move the stuff.
So you will be competeting head to head with my estimates of about 30-50 players that spend their time, isk and alts trying to camp all the best NPC runs. When done right you can make ~50M isk per day or 1.5B isk per month and mostly afk flying the freighter. Why do I give you this information - cause I bet after 30-60 days of fighting me head to head for my prime npc runs that I camp you will give up. That is what usually happens.
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