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ValentinaDLM
Remember The Fallen. Madhouse
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Posted - 2016.11.16 02:02:49 -
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Also worth noting, Minmatar are really the ones who lose out on tradehubs in FW, since Hek is just as popular if not more so than Rens these days. Unlike Amarr, or Jita which cannot have citadels for WTs to just sit and be invulnerable and not have to constantly dodge police, Amarr FW can just go wait at the fortizar in Hek, and even when the police come after them 0.5 police are a far cry from 1.0 police. This is how Trigger99 can just easily tank the police in Hek on a single rep, that isn't happening without logi in Jita.
Not that this is gamebreaking or anything, threatening to leave eve over trade hubs is either the sign of a very weak willed person or the height of hyperbole. Not only can you use alts, but you don't even have to worry about it if you don't want to, with many alliances having JFs, and NPC corp players still able to pay fairly small fees to use black frog or pushX. I ran a small alliance and did the vast majority of the logistics in FW by merely asking people to JF my **** or just paying Black frog to do it (I used Push a few times too, but i found they weren't as responsive). All of the funding for this either came form my 5m sp FW toon, or just soliciting donations from people who also want their stuff moved, since I rarely could fill up a JF on my own anyway.
Does it make much RP sense that you can dock at enemy owned stations? No. That however, was not the OPs point at all. |
Imperator Kane
My Little Ponies of the Apocalypse
132
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Posted - 2016.11.17 15:27:42 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:Alright..... blah blah blah
I like you...
I am going to come and say hello to you.
Cannibal Kane was my Test Character.
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Drigo Segvian
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2016.11.20 19:38:28 -
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What a crybaby.
Move to lowsec. Join a corp. most have logistics for members. our corp jumps in stuff almost daily. Undock to pew all you want
You are doing it wrong.
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Othran
Route One
741
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Posted - 2016.11.21 14:35:48 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:You undock at a random angle.
This is your basic problem here. You don't undock at a random angle, its within a cone of (IIRC) 20 degrees from the undock point. Anything more & Jita 4M4-CNAP would be blocked 24/7/365.
So if you're not in a vertical undock station (these are lovely) then you're probably going to have to try four or five undock burns/cloaky drifts to find (& maintain) a decent midpoint in the undock "cone". Make lots of bookmarks as you go. Redock.
Once you've done that you do a trial run with something cheap & crappy (T1 hauler) & see how fast it warps to the undock bookmark (not your final one). If you're not dead then try it a few more times.
If you're happy with it then warp to the final bookmark, maintain speed and burn/drift out to your required distance.
I've insta-undocked/jumped JFs this way in low-sec with "instalockers" on the undock.
You want a perfect undock? You can have one but you need to put in the work if its not vertical. |
Jesse Wilham
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.25 15:13:24 -
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This comment has to much salt...
You need to make one that is more then 200k or what ever. Get a buddy in a fast frig. Undock. Turn on their micro. Wait 20 mins. You have now created a decent undock BM location. Warp to friend. Save.
Done. You will not get insta blapped any more.
Also. If this is a FW war target. Just dock up. He caint stand still for to long or the navy will start to shoot him.
If that doesnt work. You are doing something very wrong. |
W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
455
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Posted - 2016.11.25 19:29:03 -
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Or you could just not fly stuff that dies to a instalocking loki. Dont fly in your ship in a pvp fit if you are flying in highsec, weapons go offline, max tank (the t1 stuff is super cheap), lows either full of stabs if you expect there to be people pointing you, nanos to not get caught at all or tank.
I mean if we look at OPs last loss (which was to the loki in amarr) https://zkillboard.com/kill/56645553/
[Confessor, Tuevo Forth's Confessor] Adaptive Nano Plating II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Small Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner J5 Enduring Warp Disruptor X5 Enduring Stasis Webifier
Improved Cloaking Device II Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S Dual Light Beam Laser II,Standard S Expanded Probe Launcher II,Sisters Combat Scanner Probe
Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Anti-Kinetic Pump II Small Anti-Thermal Pump II
A couple of things are to note here (the fit is really bad btw, you ought to change that), firstly the only way to die with that ship in that fit is to be in the wrong mode, the loki cant oneshot you if you are in defmode. Even with that fit.
What you easily could have done would be to offline the mid and highslots and put your lowslots into your cargohold and equip two t1 400mm plates, a t1 dcu and a t1 eanm. And now the loki needs 5+ perfect hits to kill you (or over 40 seconds even with heat).
Or you could have equiped 3 MSE Is and put a t1 dcu and nanos/stabs into the lows, would still survive the arty loki and be able to warp away instead of having to redock if the loki has a point.
So this really is purely L2P. even an interceptor or a t1 frig can be made not to die to that.
And then once you leave the hub you dock in a station 1 jump away and refit to your combat fit. The t1 mods are basicely 0 isk anyways. Or, what most people do, you travel fit your ship till you are where you want to be, i.e you make it instawarp + tanky and theres 0 chance of you dying from non consentual pvp.
And if that fails (which it really shouldnt), and you dont want to use an alt or anything, just dock, buy everything and then use red frog to ship it to where you want it.
Yes highsec pvp is lame as hell and the people doing that have 0 skil but you can easily play around it.
Also, even in that fit, you could have easily soloed the legion btw. Change into def for the first shot, heated 10mn in propmode + rep and point it while manually piloting to stay under the guns and you have a dead loki. |
Rah McGee
R3d Fire Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
4
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Posted - 2016.11.26 13:54:35 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote: Only this can also happen: I can undock from Amarr, lose my ship to an insta-locking Loki regardless of my undock BM, then lose my pod if I'm not spamming warp before I lose the ship.
Your undock must suck pretty much if this happens. I undocked DSTs and noctises and warped them off before the PIRAT scum could ever lock me. |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
578
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Posted - 2016.11.26 18:40:47 -
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Im sorry but this is total bullshit.
Members of our corporation have been threatened with a ban twice, for doing the exact same high sec camping in minmatar highsec
while minmatar seemingly get free camping rights.
total ******* bullshit.
the bias is strong.
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2693
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Posted - 2016.11.28 20:43:26 -
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Chopper Reead wrote:hello mate Chopper "Loki" Read here, how the **** are you. All I really wanted to say is harden the **** up mate, put a GF in local and carry on like all the rest. The way you are going on you would think you lost a faction BS and not a **** fit confessor and pod. Come on now, don't rage quit, maybe post in militia chat next time and get some boy's to come down and kill my loki rather than cry on the forums. Trust me, that would be much more sweeter and alot less salty at the end of the day. Fly safe and HTFU Normally, I would be inclined to agree with you. You're in a war, expect to get shot at and fly accordingly. Use Insta-undock bookmarks, learn to stop/dock, etc.
However, in this instance I have to agree with the OP. Why? Because somehow you, as a member of a Minmatar Militia corporation, have managed to figure out how to park your insta-lock Loki right off of a station in Amarr and wait there indefinitely without having Amarr Faction Warfare NPCs aggressing you. That's not how Faction Warfare is supposed to work. If you were warping around to catch stray undockers then immediately warping off, sure, but just sitting there waiting for them? I'm sorry, that's bullshit.
It's easy to talk tough when you're not playing by the rules.
You've been reported for this behavior by several folks.
(Now, the fact that the Amarr militia is so disorganized that they couldn't be arsed to arrange for a fleet to bump one guy off of their capital station and roast him is another matter entirely, and also largely why I left the Amarr militia after only a week. The fact that CCP seems to be discouraging this behavior more for one militia than another is a close second.)
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Chopper Reead
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. Ushra'Khan
3
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Posted - 2016.11.28 23:03:45 -
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All is working as intended. Carry on now people, nothing to see here.
HTFU
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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
580
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Posted - 2016.11.29 16:45:48 -
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Chopper Reead wrote:All is working as intended. Carry on now people, nothing to see here. YEAH no its not. its biased. you can do it to us. but when we do it to you we get ban threats.
but here is the perfect imgur for ya http://i.imgur.com/XGV27HI.jpg
Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
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Captain Awkward
Republic University Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2016.11.30 09:49:09 -
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What I dont understrand is why WT are allowed to dock in enemy HS.
Why are they allowed to play docking games on enemy HS stations. That makes no sense.
Is CCP to afraid that joining FW blocks your access to enemy tradehubs? |
Solitudinem Aeternus
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.30 12:13:28 -
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Ah, the station camp. About as honorable and creative as the gate camp. Check.
And only picking fights you know you'll lopsidedly win. In an ambush at that. Check.
Yeah, we can stop right there. Seen this kind of thing a bazillion times myself. I feel you.
One thing I personally love is being jammed, scrammed, and therefore have ABSOLUTELY NO ALTERNATIVE but to just sit there until I die. I mean, couldn't CCP figure out something ACTIVE for me to do while I'm dying? Something that, I dunno, gives me maybe a ONE percent chance? And something that at least, I dunno, LETS ME FIGHT BACK? Or at least lets me do something to try to escape? SOMETHING? ANYTHING?
Apparently not. Apparently I'm just supposed to just sit and watch my ship twirl and flop and flail around in space while eating missiles or whatever else from some douchebag who can't be shot at and can't be touched. Fine game mechanic.
EDIT: And yeah, insta-jams and insta-scrams are a thing too. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2701
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Posted - 2016.11.30 13:35:03 -
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Captain Awkward wrote:What I dont understrand is why WT are allowed to dock in enemy HS.
Why are they allowed to play docking games on enemy HS stations. That makes no sense.
Is CCP to afraid that joining FW blocks your access to enemy tradehubs? The Empires you're at war with may hate you and shoot you on sight, but they'll still gladly take the ISK you spend on taxes and fees when you dock.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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