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Tuevo Forth
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.17 21:32:30 -
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Alright, I've quit EVE cold twice over this issue, but I haven't bitched about it. So here's the *****. Please follow along to the end.
I like FW. It offers casual PVP that's easy to find, with spontaneous cooperation, without a lot of hassle or investment. I can log into Amarr, fit a ship, fly it a few jumps, lose it, and call it a night.
Only this can also happen: I can undock from Amarr, lose my ship to an insta-locking Loki regardless of my undock BM, then lose my pod if I'm not spamming warp before I lose the ship.
Normally, when EVE sucks, there's a thing you can do about the suckage. That is also the case here. I can
1. completely, 100% bypass the Loki by having a second capsuleer fly **** out from Amarr. I may need to skill it up to fly some ships; it doesn't need to fly any of them well.
2. have a second capsuleer buy **** in Amarr and then contract it to a shipping service that will fly it to me.
My problem with these solutions is:
1. Already I can't "log into Amarr, fit a ship, fly it a few jumps, lose it, and call it a night" anymore. What was the point of FW again? If I'm using a shipping service, why don't I just go to NPC null?
2. I don't want to multibox. I don't want to. You can't make me. Waaah. I don't want multiple accounts. I don't want to deal with any of that garbage. I've accepted that this hangup of mine means that I'll never fly a jump ship -- but I can't even do low level PVP now without it? What the ****. Does CCP want multiple accounts so much that they'd rather not have my single account?
3. EVE is saying to me: "in order to get better at EVE, you need more capsuleers." My position of "I don't want to do that." translates then to "I don't want to get better at EVE". When I reach this conclusion, like I have twice, I uninstall. I don't want to play a game that I don't want to be good at.
An additional issue is that I don't have any respect for the Loki. This is common, yeah -- miners ***** the hardest when they don't think ganking is legitimate. But I still don't think there's any legitimate gameplay in sitting 100% safely on an undock until you can effortlessly kill someone, then repeat. The safety in particular is total bullshit. Yes, it's also highsec war mechanics. I didn't join FW to deal with highsec war mechanics.
-- that's the *****.
After a few months, I may miss EVE again, I may have forgotten the math I did that resulted in "I do not want to get better at this game." What I hope is that by then NPC stations have all been replaced with citadels and that the instalocking Lokis have ****** off to gate camps, where they can still be ganked. If not, I'll find something else to do than FW. |
Ares Desideratus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2016.10.18 00:15:52 -
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You could have used ctrl+spacebar to stop your ship and dock instead of trying to escape from the Loki.
You're pretty much invincible in that situation.
So it's your choice if you want to risk being shot by the Loki, try to warp. If you don't wanna risk it, just dock and wait.
I understand where you're coming from, I'm all about casual PvP, but that's what you get for when you join FW. You could solo Null sec while based out of highsec with no war decs, but in FW you're always at war so you're always at risk, even in highsec.
I still like FW, don't think there's a problem here really. My only beef with FW is that it totally restricts half of highsec when you join, which is kind of a deal breaker. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
462
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Posted - 2016.10.18 01:04:40 -
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If you lose your ships when using an instadocking and undocking bookmarks, then those bookmarks are not properly made. Just saying... |
Perkin Warbeck
Higher Than Everest The-Culture
236
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Posted - 2016.10.18 07:22:12 -
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Neutral ats in trade hubs are a thing too. Just saying... |
Abra Ka Dabra
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.18 08:54:36 -
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You don't need to "multi-box" which means multiple clients, there are three character slots. Make a 3-4day hauling alt job done. |
Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
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Posted - 2016.10.18 10:22:36 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:An additional issue is that I don't have any respect for the Loki. This is common, yeah -- miners ***** the hardest when they don't think ganking is legitimate. But I still don't think there's any legitimate gameplay in sitting 100% safely on an undock until you can effortlessly kill someone, then repeat. The safety in particular is total bullshit. Yes, it's also highsec war mechanics. I didn't join FW to deal with highsec war mechanics.
Could someone please fill in the blanks for me here? If the Loki pilot uses FW to attack the OP, shouldn't there be quite a bunch of NPC drones gnawing at him when he sits at the undock in a 1.0 system? And if he undocks with the OP shouldn't those appear pretty quickly if OP redocks and waits a few seconds? |
Tuevo Forth
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.18 16:41:24 -
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Abra Ka Dabra wrote:You don't need to "multi-box" which means multiple clients, there are three character slots. Make a 3-4day hauling alt job done.
Yeah. I don't want to do that.
The people giving me advice on how I could with great difficulty and unparalleled precision just barely manage to avoid this Loki a third of the time, provided that I never do stupid tradehub things like undock a half-naked malediction to try part of the fit out, are missing the point: I can avoid the Loki with 100% efficiency by using a separate capsuleer.
The butt-frustration from this Loki's activity is precisely is that it's so trivially avoidable by means that I reject. The 3-4day hauling alt completely removes this danger from the game. So why does this danger exist in the game at all? |
Paranoid Loyd
9702
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Posted - 2016.10.18 16:45:31 -
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It's quite obvious your insta undock BM is not properly setup.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Tuevo Forth
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:48:04 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:It's quite obvious your insta undock BM is not properly setup.
You undock at a random angle. Ignoring it, if it's not too bad, is good enough for everything but an instalocking Loki.
The only way to test it against instalocking Lokis is to keep trying to lose ships and pods to one, while making new bookmarks.
Sounds like the kind of game I'd pay monthly for.
I could spend a week getting the BM exactly right, or I could avoid the problem with 100% efficiency with a hauler alt.
Which would you do?
My guess is, you've never ******* seen an instalocking Loki and think your bookmarks are wonderful because they've been good enough for everything else. |
Paranoid Loyd
9703
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:52:52 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:My guess is, you've never ******* seen an instalocking Loki Your guess is wrong and it's quite obvious you're the one who doesn't know what he is talking about but if you prefer to whine instead of fixing the problem carry on.
"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix
Fix the Prospect!
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Tuevo Forth
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.10.18 17:56:05 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tuevo Forth wrote:My guess is, you've never ******* seen an instalocking Loki Your guess is wrong and it's quite obvious you're the one who doesn't know what he is talking about but if you prefer to whine instead of fixing the problem carry on.
No, Mr. Loyd, I prefer to uninstall. |
Ras Blumin
A Cross The Universe
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Posted - 2016.10.18 20:11:39 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:The butt-frustration from this Loki's activity is precisely is that it's so trivially avoidable by means that I reject. The 3-4day hauling alt completely removes this danger from the game. So why does this danger exist in the game at all? Because the stubborn, ignorant and or lazy keep feeding killmails to it.
I agree that the advantages from alt-play takes something away from the game. It's not going anywhere though.
If you continue to refuse to use alts, I suggest planning ahead and buying remotely (or locally with a cheap ship/pod) and have the stuff couriered to a system near your preferred entry-point. It's more effective, anyway.
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
362
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Posted - 2016.10.19 06:49:37 -
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Perkin Warbeck wrote:Neutral ats in trade hubs are a thing too. Just saying... Indeed. There is no need to base yourself out of a trade hub.
Better to find yourself a station closer to the conflict and build yourself a stockpile there.
When the stockpile is running low: - Fly to the trade hub region. Reaching the trade hub system is optional, as is docking. - Buy enough stuff for multiple ships. - Arrange for someone who isn't in FW to haul the stuff to the station you are operating from. - Assemble and fit the ships at your home base.
For me, my home base was a high sec system on the edge of highsec. That way I could get Red Frog to do all the hauling for me. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
502
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Posted - 2016.10.19 10:08:41 -
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this j3rkface is what gives FW a bad name.
yeah, quit, take your stuff with you and biomass, please.
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Chopper Reead
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2016.10.19 15:23:56 -
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hello mate Chopper" Loki "Read here, how the **** are you.
All I really wanted to say is harden the **** up mate, put a GF in local can carry on like all the rest. The way you are going on you would think you lost a faction BS and not a **** fit confessor and pod. Come on now, don't rage quit, maybe post in militia chat next time and get some boy's to come down and kill my loki rather than cry on the forums. Trust me, that would be much more sweeter and alot less salty at the end of the day.
Fly safe and HTFU
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Degnar Oskold
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
208
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Posted - 2016.10.19 15:36:58 -
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Violet Hurst wrote: Could someone please fill in the blanks for me here? If the Loki pilot uses FW to attack the OP, shouldn't there be quite a bunch of NPC drones gnawing at him when he sits at the undock in a 1.0 system? And if he undocks with the OP shouldn't those appear pretty quickly if OP redocks and waits a few seconds?
There is a trick you can use to get rid of the NPC aggro. I don't know it myself, so in hisec camps I either use a BS that can tank the aggro for a few minutes, or prefereably I go to a 0.5 system where faction navy does anaemic dps. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.10.19 15:50:58 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:Alright, I've quit EVE cold twice over this issue, but I haven't bitched about it. So here's the *****. Please follow along to the end.
I like FW. It offers casual PVP that's easy to find, with spontaneous cooperation, without a lot of hassle or investment. I can log into Amarr, fit a ship, fly it a few jumps, lose it, and call it a night.
Only this can also happen: I can undock from Amarr, lose my ship to an insta-locking Loki regardless of my undock BM, then lose my pod if I'm not spamming warp before I lose the ship.
Normally, when EVE sucks, there's a thing you can do about the suckage. That is also the case here. I can
1. completely, 100% bypass the Loki by having a second capsuleer fly **** out from Amarr. I may need to skill it up to fly some ships; it doesn't need to fly any of them well.
2. have a second capsuleer buy **** in Amarr and then contract it to a shipping service that will fly it to me.
3. Create an instaundock bookmark and use it when leaving Amarr.
That said: It's faction war, not faction honorable space duels.
"Someone else outplayed me and I'm angry about it," is a pretty insipid thing to complain about.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2466
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Posted - 2016.10.19 16:36:25 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:It's quite obvious your insta undock BM is not properly setup.
You undock at a random angle. Ignoring it, if it's not too bad, is good enough for everything but an instalocking Loki. The only way to test it against instalocking Lokis is to keep trying to lose ships and pods to one, while making new bookmarks. Sounds like the kind of game I'd pay monthly for. I could spend a week getting the BM exactly right, or I could avoid the problem with 100% efficiency with a hauler alt. Which would you do? My guess is, you've never ******* seen an instalocking Loki and think your bookmarks are wonderful because they've been good enough for everything else.
Oh, I see the problem, now. You're a baddie.
It's just not that hard. Hell, I've made brand new instas in hubs with war targets actively camping the station just by hanging out in a covops by the station, waiting for a freighter/orca/whatever to insta, then scanning them and stealing theirs. Took about 5 minutes.
Weeks to get it right....
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2970
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Posted - 2016.10.19 20:43:52 -
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Your second character? Stick him in a trade hub like Jita or Amarr. Have him purchase stuff you need and sell loot you don't want.
Use public courier contracts to move your stuff to your staging system which ought to be low sec, or at least a system on the border of low sec while also using courier contracts to more stuff to the trade hub.
pewpew all you want where FW matters - low sec.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
1933
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Posted - 2016.10.20 15:42:25 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote: ... sitting 100% safely on an undock until you can effortlessly kill someone, then repeat. The safety in particular is total bullshit. Yes, it's also highsec war mechanics. I didn't join FW to deal with highsec war mechanics....
You are in NPC FW corp. What high-sec war mechanics do you talk about?
In reality i think that loki could be in Minmatar/Gallente militia and was supported against FW NPC by some neutrals. But from my experience i can say that doing FW stuff in enemy 0.9-1.0 system is very fun stuff. And not '100% safe' at all.
Other thing you are not seeing: there are hubs other than Amarr. In Gallente space i know 2. In Amarr space i believe you have 2 or 3 too.
Oh... And i always loved FW newbees who really believed that all FW stuff happens only in FW low-sec and they are free from it as soon as they enter high-sec Lots of nice stuff was taken from some of these 'warriors'.
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Hesod Adee
Kiwis In Space No Points Necessary
363
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Posted - 2016.10.20 16:10:29 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:It's just not that hard. Hell, I've made brand new instas in hubs with war targets actively camping the station just by hanging out in a covops by the station, waiting for a freighter/orca/whatever to insta, then scanning them and stealing theirs. Took about 5 minutes.
Is there anything in Eve that doesn't get stolen ?
March rabbit wrote:Oh... And i always loved FW newbees who really believed that all FW stuff happens only in FW low-sec and they are free from it as soon as they enter high-sec I remember in the very early days of FW, my corp (gal militia) decided to take a noob ship fleet into Jita. Just because we could. We got a few kills in Jita and most of us got back home.
The other fun I had was a few years ago CCP ran a screenshot competition. One of the things we need a screenshot of was the Jita monument. Taking a screenshot of that, meeting all their criteria, while still being in the gal militia was fun. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrocraft
5
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Posted - 2016.10.25 11:13:51 -
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OP your problem is totally fixable and has already been addressed. Maybe instead of whining you should actually learn how to survive in those situations.
Okay, so the first thing you must be aware of is kill rights and wardecs. You should also be careful of sucide ganking if you're carrying cargo valued in the tens of millions or higher.
Now, here is what you must do to survive. As soon as you undock, don't warp, don't move, don't do anything. Just coast out and stay on your invincibility timer. You look at all the ships which are on grid with you and do a quick risk assessment. If any of those are war targets, hostile vessels, criminal status, lock onto you, or look in any way threatening. You click the station and dock... It really is that simple. |
Taurean Eltanin
Viziam Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2016.11.01 09:53:38 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:Abra Ka Dabra wrote:You don't need to "multi-box" which means multiple clients, there are three character slots. Make a 3-4day hauling alt job done. Yeah. I don't want to do that. The people giving me advice on how I could with great difficulty and unparalleled precision just barely manage to avoid this Loki a third of the time, provided that I never do stupid tradehub things like undock a half-naked malediction to try part of the fit out, are missing the point: I can avoid the Loki with 100% efficiency by using a separate capsuleer. The butt-frustration from this Loki's activity is precisely is that it's so trivially avoidable by means that I reject. The 3-4day hauling alt completely removes this danger from the game. So why does this danger exist in the game at all?
Look, I know exactly who you mean. I lost a pod with a set of mid grade halos to him when my warp-in dropped me 500 m from the docking ring. It sucks. But it was my own damn fault.
I could have sent my hauling alt. I could have flown my 11k ehp, warp stabbed Punisher. I could have not gone to Amarr at a peak time on a weekend. But I was an idiot, and paid for it with a very embarrassing lossmail.
These are all standard precautions for anyone engaged in faction warfare, or any high sec corp that is under war dec. That's how the war mechanics work in this game. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
If you like reading about low sec piracy or faction warfare, you might enjoy my blog.
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Fr3akwave
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
56
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Posted - 2016.11.03 12:38:36 -
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Really, the people here talking about insta undocks are right. If your insta undock is good, the insta locking Loki wont be able to lock you - ever. The entirety of EVE proves that insta undock bookmarks do work multiple times every second. Dont just deny there is a mistake on your part when the game and many of the players prove otherwise. Including me. I use them like 80% of the times i undock. And yes, i know what an insta locking Loki is, i station camp a lot myself and i am in FW.
Creating the spot is absolutely trivial in Amarr as you just need to burn roughly down and the tactical overview offers you a vertical line that goes right through the undocking vector for you to check until the line is absolutely vertical. (maybe the new version doesnt, yet it is still trivial compared to like the caldari 20-¦ up undocking vector station)
You need to stay calm and know your options, that is all. - First of all you need to realize he is there. - If you have an insta undock just use it and ignore him (and for gods sake, if you feel the need to do so, check your angle towards it, the light blue arrow) - Else if you want to do anything but warp, press ctrl+space and you have a full 30s of invulnerability. Yes,, invulnerability. You can just dock back up. Just dont do anything else but ctrl+space, or that invul will break.
So all in all this topic is just a random rant of you because you f**** up and got exploded and nwo you are fighting back to people pointing that out. |
Aves Asio
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Posted - 2016.11.04 08:56:58 -
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Lets all ignore the fact that this is an enemy of amarr empire and that he is sitting in the main amarr system on the undock totally uninhibited.
That doesnt sound broken at all, does it? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4472
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Posted - 2016.11.04 10:27:27 -
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Chopper Reead wrote:put a GF in local and carry on like all the rest This is the only correct course of action after any loss in EVE, ever.
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ValentinaDLM
Remember The Fallen. Madhouse
902
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Posted - 2016.11.05 19:03:40 -
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Aves Asio wrote:Lets all ignore the fact that this is an enemy of amarr empire and that he is sitting in the main amarr system on the undock totally uninhibited.
That doesn't sound broken at all, does it?
Many of us, certainly myself don't do anything to stop the rat aggression, we simply warp between pings, so all you have to do is stop us for a few seconds and we die. That is absolutely working as intended. Also a ship that can tank the faction navy is working as intended. Without doing a fair bit of work to avoid aggression (which FWIW CCP doesn't call an exploit) they are not uninhibited at all.
I have lost a few ships killing Amarr in Amarr due to just being pointed and having the faction navy finish me off, it isn't uninhibited. |
Keno Skir
881
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Posted - 2016.11.06 11:17:15 -
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Tuevo Forth wrote:Abra Ka Dabra wrote:You don't need to "multi-box" which means multiple clients, there are three character slots. Make a 3-4day hauling alt job done. Yeah. I don't want to do that. The people giving me advice on how I could with great difficulty and unparalleled precision just barely manage to avoid this Loki a third of the time, provided that I never do stupid tradehub things like undock a half-naked malediction to try part of the fit out, are missing the point: I can avoid the Loki with 100% efficiency by using a separate capsuleer. The butt-frustration from this Loki's activity is precisely is that it's so trivially avoidable by means that I reject. The 3-4day hauling alt completely removes this danger from the game. So why does this danger exist in the game at all?
Because people like you make it possible by laziness and unwillingness to adapt. Purely the fact that you rage quit over things like this proves you would rather cry than change your plan. EvE isn;t supposed to be safe or risk free anywhere. Just because you like the idea of quick casual PvP doesn't mean that's how it works all the time (although it could work like that if you just tried to help yourself a bit).
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Kane Blacktyde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2016.11.07 03:04:43 -
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Now maybe I am being stupid, been a while since I did Faction Warfare, but can't you simply drop corp, move your stuff and then rejoin FW once you are ready? |
Salvos Rhoska
1570
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Posted - 2016.11.13 12:02:04 -
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1) I so t particularly like how jiggly instaundock bookmarks can be to create, involving all manner of complication of different station types etc. I dont think this kind of micromanagement contributes much to the game. I understand its 9art of "getgud" and taking precautions, but its just very fiddly in implementation.
2) As others have pointed out, you can just redock while immune if you see this Loki.
3) You can easily create a neutral hauling alt on the same account. This is anyways a universal requirement for wardecced corps and FW.
4) Why dont you simply alert your FW faction to come and kill the Loki? Its quite a juicy target.
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