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Fisk
Minmatar
8318
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 21:54:00 -
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Okay, yea I know it's only $9.95 for a full year. But, I'd like to find out what everyone else is thinking. Why go with Eve Voice when Teamspeak is free? What are the advantages / disadvantages?
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.03.23 22:03:00 -
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Eve Voice vs. Teamspeak. Conclusive results, eh?
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Fisk
Minmatar
8318
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.23 22:06:00 -
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 Originally by: RedFall
Eve Voice vs. Teamspeak. Conclusive results, eh?
Ummm, not really. Especially considering that TS is used on a lot of other games and EV is specific to Eve. Come on, I'm looking for some serious justification on why we should plunk down ten bucks for EV.
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Slayton Ford
Caldari
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.03.23 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fisk
Come on, I'm looking for some serious justification on why we should plunk down ten bucks for EV.
No more spies in voice channel?
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Darina Rea
Renua Foundation
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Posted - 2007.03.23 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Darina Rea on 23/03/2007 22:22:53
Saying that Teamspeak is free is a myth, if you're using it and not paying for it, it's not your server. In fact, someone else is forking over a (small) amount of cash to let you freeload with him. The same goes for Ventrillo. So if you really want to compare calculate what you would have to donate yearly to your Teamspeak host to use his server.
I've taken the liberty of searching it up: instantspeak
$28 (rounded up) for 8 users. This is what you have someone else pay for your freeby on yearly basis.
Can me egotisticly, but I would either want to donate some cash to the host, or get EvE Voice just because of that.
Anyway, I'm not getting either because VIOP in any form sucks 
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No more spies in voice channel?
Alts in your corp with EvE Voice? -> Still spies
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Edgars Sults
LFC
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.23 22:55:00 -
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The quality seems to be a bit worse than TS.
Also, one of the things I like about TS is that I can set the 'back' button on my mouse for ptt.
Middle button is so hard to reach! 
And there are a lot more configuration options in TS.
But still, I would like to use EV, just because it's integrated and could be easier to use overall if everyone used it.
Oh, almost forgot... The node crash issue. Those happen often in important battles and during that time EV would be down, whereas TS still lives.
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Snake Doctor
Guardians of Hell's Gate
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.23 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Darina Rea
Saying that Teamspeak is free is a myth, if you're using it and not paying for it, it's not your server. In fact, someone else is forking over a (small) amount of cash to let you freeload with him.
Yes and no. It's totally possible to set up your own ts. Most people do!
Administration is so blindingly simple, it hurts. If you've got the spare CPU (or server lying around), and the bandwidth, you can get things going in about an hour.
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Red Harvest
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Posted - 2007.03.23 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Edgars Sults
Oh, almost forgot... The node crash issue. Those happen often in important battles and during that time EV would be down, whereas TS still lives.
For me that is the most significant point.
EV will go down together with the client when the node crashes but with TS you still scream at your mates.
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Loki Farseer
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:05:00 -
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Ummm... Unless you are doing a Corp of 30+ then TS is:
1. Free
2. Easy to set up (I know I run a TS Server outta my house)
3. Continues on when EV goes down.. (I know no-one EVER gets disconnected from Eve.. so this wouldn't matter of course 
4. Did I mention I control it... oh yea
And about the secure com channel that EV provides... umm set security PW's up with TS, you have securtiy leaks because people use alts and YOU LET THEM IN YOUR CHANNELS... 
I'm pretty much done with this other then to say that instead of CCP spending time integrating something that already existed (and better at that) into the game instead of fixing the list of things wrong with EVE (add your pet peeve here) that does make me slightly... 
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3rdD Dave
Gallente
Dark Entropy
Apocalyptica.
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:05:00 -
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why didn't they just program a separate client that was fully integrated as a plug in to eve? So when eve crashed the client wasnt affected ?
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Siriyana
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:26:00 -
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Teamspeak or Ventrilo is only as insecure as you make it. Security is the responsibility of the admin, not the application. :)
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Grant Smith
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.03.24 00:52:00 -
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Quite frankly TS > Evespeak.
Why?
Cuz when your client crashes on Eve so does your voice comms, problem eh?
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INFOD Director.
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mechtech
Entropy Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.24 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: 3rdD Dave
why didn't they just program a separate client that was fully integrated as a plug in to eve? So when eve crashed the client wasnt affected ?
QFT
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.03.24 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: mechtech
Originally by: 3rdD Dave
why didn't they just program a separate client that was fully integrated as a plug in to eve? So when eve crashed the client wasnt affected ?
QFT
They will. Unless they decide to abandon future advancement due to lack of use, this is a feature they wish to add.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Tista
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Posted - 2007.03.24 03:04:00 -
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eve voice vs skype is the real question.. and the answer is..
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 03:19:00 -
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Well several reasons i can think of straight away as to why you should go with eve voice over TS/Ventrilo
Its not free for the person hosting the TS server.. Its not free for the person renting the Ventrilo server..
Sharing the cost of voice comms is a great idea.. and if the entire corp/alliance was using it.. it would mean less of a financial burden for the leaders of that corp/alliance, that somehow have to come up with a website/voice comms as well as all the other **** ingame that needs to be done.
No more blatent spies, if they can't enter your ingame channel, they cant get onto your voice comms.
Several reasons why I wouldnt switch to Eve voice from TS/Vent just yet:
Its lagging the client when you jump through systems, i've seen several examples where its frozen my client completely and forced me to kill the process.
The quality isn't so good, and unless CCP enables another way to boost voice output levels, or normalise, so everyone is at the same volume, I personally wont ever switch from Ventrilo.
I have to be online in eve to use it? Please separate the client from the voice comms!
And while we're at it.. how about CCP offer us a website hosting solution for corps and alliances, for a small fee/bundle with the voice comms. (I for one will gladly pay an extra dollar on my subscriptions just so one or two people dont take on huge costs of running Voice comms and webservers and all that other ****e, that we're doing simply so we can function in this game.)
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Tewdric
Macabre Votum
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2007.03.24 04:02:00 -
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Eve voice is still in it's early stages, i'd personally sit back and wait and see what improvments are made, it's still a very new product at the moment and with all new products they WILL have problems. i'll be using Vent/TS in the mean time.
Nuff Said
Tewdric
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 06:59:00 -
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I don't mean to sabotage CCP's new service... but it needs to be worked on a lot more before it can compete with TS/Ventrillo.
Why? TS/Vent allow you to organize channels/ players very well.
You have a lot of options to control who speaks in a channel,
which is really important in a fleet battle.
Squad/wing commanders and scouts can whisper to their FC's, which
is pretty important and reduces overall noise to those that don't
need to hear it.
The sound quality and codecs are much better on TS/Vent, and at
least you have the option to choose whichever you think fits
the situation.
There may also be other features I've omitted...
TS and Vent win hands down, so far at least.
CCP needs to do a lot more work on their new 'feature' to
make it more useful.
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Tookie Williams
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.03.24 07:14:00 -
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Right now Eve Voice only supports 200 people max, yet fleets can be as big as 250. Explain again why I would use eve voice?
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Fisk
Minmatar
8318
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.24 07:17:00 -
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I'm also confused as to why CCP feels that they need to create a separate charge for this service. It's going to be disappointing if you try to chat with someone in local via voice, only to discover that the pilot is NOT paying for the service and thus does not have access to voice.
My recommendation is to cut the charge and just give it to everyone. If they want to cover the cost of the technology then up the price of the monthly eve fee slightly. I'm sure they would easily get their money's worth by taking this approach.
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Marcus Tedric
Gallente
Tedric Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.03.24 10:30:00 -
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I would like to use EVE Voice...
I don't mind paying a reasonable fee for it...
But it didn't work in the trial (voice too soft, no way to adjust it) - it's just not ready.
I am forced to continue paying for TS - which, across the Corp (if I charged them and we're only small) is actially cheaper.
In short - would use it and pay for it - except it DOESN'T WORK
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TheFirstInquisitor
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Posted - 2007.03.24 10:42:00 -
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Im with the chap that said TS should be made as an optional plugin to Eve. (By that have the options panels build into the interface, not ripoff TS).
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Dillon Arklight
Shinra
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.03.24 10:59:00 -
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For the larger corps and alliances Teamspeak wins hands down for the points mentioned in the various posts above, but for the smaller 5 to 30 members corps who arent in an alliance then I think EVE Voice would be an attractive alternative.
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James Duar
Merch Industrial
We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.03.24 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dillon Arklight
For the larger corps and alliances Teamspeak wins hands down for the points mentioned in the various posts above, but for the smaller 5 to 30 members corps who arent in an alliance then I think EVE Voice would be an attractive alternative.
Not really - 5 people can easily run a local TS or Vent server on their own connections. Hell, I'd be willing to bet 30 people could run a TS or Vent server off a local connection for a fleet op of some sort. It's the old "if everybody doesn't have it" problem.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.03.24 11:49:00 -
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CCP should offer a free trial period. Just a few days would be enough. Im not going to pay for it without knowing how good or bad it is with my specific connection and computer.
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP should offer a free trial period. Just a few days would be enough. Im not going to pay for it without knowing how good or bad it is with my specific connection and computer.
Isnt there an option in your account that lets you test eve voice 30 days for free? 
At least the option is available in my account.
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Zaltor Kabalen
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:04:00 -
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I'm going to continue to use my vent and ts.
I play so many other games already using one or the other that I'm just used to it. Not to mention any game that has ever had in-game VOIP has just totally sucked..
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: bigfatbird
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP should offer a free trial period. Just a few days would be enough. Im not going to pay for it without knowing how good or bad it is with my specific connection and computer.
Isnt there an option in your account that lets you test eve voice 30 days for free?
At least the option is available in my account.
Ah... yes it was.  Thats what I get for not being around the forums so much lately... :)
Anyway, good to see that the option is available. Ill try it out later when I get a decent headset. 
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ToxicDream
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:22:00 -
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I made quite a long indepth post on the subject, trying to highlight the pro's and cons aswell as offer some solutions, on the subject, if you can offer any other views or possiable solutions please feel free to post @
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=495488
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JabJabVVV
Total Mayhem.
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Posted - 2007.03.24 12:30:00 -
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As many people have pointed out it is not true to say that Vent/TS is free, someone pays for the bandwidth, server and, in the case of ventrilo, the license even if it isn't you. That is one small reason to use eve voice (or a reason not to use it if you are somewhat less scrupulous :P).
However it seems that at the moment it seems that there are too many problems/not enough features that mean that eve voice is not the ideal VOIP solution, certainly not for large groups of players.
In time I would hope that it will evolve to the point that, from an eve point of view, it is the ideal program to use; full integration with the eve client and being tailored specifically for Eve should mean that the program has a lot of potential even if it hasn't been fully realised yet.
As for integrating the cost into the subscription fee; personally I am against this as it either means that multi account users have to pay more for no added benefit over single account users (if they raised the sub cost). Or there is less money to develop the game (if they keep the sub cost the same). However I hope it does not set a precedent, I would not like to see Eve go the way of many other games whereby you have to pay more to see more advanced content.
I reckon that at first (the current situation) TS/vent will be the more attractive option for most players but in time and after further development I would expect that Eve voice would become a more attractive option (assuming enough people sign up initially to make it worth spending more money and time on).
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