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Chococat
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.10.22 06:43:37 -
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I concur; I having spent the last 30 mins deliberately contesting sites to test, (thanks to an early morning alarm call from a son who really needed to discuss thunder-birds at six am on a Saturday morning)
it does look like its most damage is the key |
Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.10.22 11:49:11 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Zhilia Mann wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over.  Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out).
Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill), however wreck will be white to all fleet members. Also bounty is always split equally on grid regardless of damage applied.
Let's say fleet of 3, one is not on grid, you shoot and kill 1 million bounty ship. 3rd guy not on grid gets nothing. You and fleet member on grid get half mill each, regardless if your fleet member shot the wreck or not.
The Incursion Guild
Epic Arc Guide
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Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.22 14:12:01 -
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I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance.
However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS
Only one thing to say to them....pussies.
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Sentenced 1989
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Posted - 2016.10.22 14:40:12 -
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Hendrix Foster wrote:I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance.
However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS
Only one thing to say to them....pussies.
EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo.
So, somebody has worked out how to do this site faster and more efficient then you, but because they are using ship which is fine tuned to do that exact thing you decide to call them names?
Kudos to you. I can also say something about intelligence of person running PVE in ewar ships...
Also doing level one in a Brutix might be more hard then you think, and if you Brutix fit can do it faster then for example Corax / Jackdawn, it means you actually understand this game mechanics...
The Incursion Guild
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.10.22 14:42:58 -
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Sentenced 1989 wrote:
Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill),
No, it isn't. As you noted earlier in the thread, this is easily tested with an alt - you should do that. It's most damage. I'm not sure where this last-hit myth came from (pvp killmails, perhaps), but that isn't how it works.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Hendrix Foster
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.22 15:00:05 -
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edited by me. |
Maneila Bekas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.22 15:56:25 -
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i use a polarized Phantasm, FactionMods.
+6 All Turrets Damage Implant
960dps or something out of the guns (i heat on the last wreck)
Together with 3small drones
I have 2 SensorBoosters
I lock, make 3 HITS about 3900damage on the Battlecruiser, its in deep structure.
A HARBINGER THAT IS ON GRID WITH ME MAKES 280Damage, last shot, Wreck is yellow.
Same happens with Confessors, Svipuls blablabla....they CANT even outDPS me...but they get the wreck when i don-¦t time it right.
IT IS THE ******* LAST SHOT OR THE MECHANIC IS DAMN BROKEN SOMETIMES !
SO PLEASE CCP CAN YOU GIVE US A 100% Answer on this PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Outnumbered, Outgunned
You have the Choice *Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away...
"CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."
*A BRAVE HERO
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Kaivarian Coste
Placid Peace Corps
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Posted - 2016.10.22 16:10:51 -
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^ perhaps it's just random |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2016.10.22 16:22:14 -
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Hendrix Foster wrote:Only one thing to say to them....pussies.
EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo.
I suppose it's a bit like shiptoasting on an anonymous NPC alt, eh?
Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .
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Maneila Bekas
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.10.22 21:17:33 -
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a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D
So yeah, it is ******* last shot....
Outnumbered, Outgunned
You have the Choice *Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away...
"CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."
*A BRAVE HERO
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2516
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Posted - 2016.10.23 00:46:17 -
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Maneila Bekas wrote:a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D
So yeah, it is ******* last shot....
Simply put: No. Unlike this anecdotal, "I think I should have won but I didn't win so it must be last hit," I've actually tested this by specifically granting the last hit to one of two alts, and they did not win.
That said, it isn't necessarily most damage, either. It could, for instance, be flagged at a damage threshold, e.g., first 20%, in which case you could very easily lose to a faster-locking ship with reasonable DPS output (or, especially, good alpha) despite doing more overall.
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Kaivarian Coste
Placid Peace Corps
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Posted - 2016.10.23 13:57:22 -
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I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2516
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Posted - 2016.10.23 14:00:17 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?
No, I've tried that as well, look up thread.
Assuming what you've said is correct, having it triggered at a damage threshold (first X damage or first X% damage) seems most likely.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
5956
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Posted - 2016.10.24 04:11:32 -
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I have a feeling that smewhere in the CCP offices there are GMs rolling dice and taking bets on quantity of forum tears that will result from flipping this wreck one way or the other :D
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.10.30 12:42:05 -
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It's just like a KM.
Final blow gets the KM, and in this instance, the wreck.
G¡É If I say a horse is laying an egg, you better build a nest! G¡É
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.10.30 22:47:08 -
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Kaivarian Coste wrote:I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?
Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:36:59 -
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Kolmogorow wrote:Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
Sorry, illogical argument.
If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage.
Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:48:55 -
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pajedas wrote:Kolmogorow wrote:Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
Sorry, illogical argument. If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage. Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.
A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. |
pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.11.01 14:57:40 -
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Violet Hurst wrote:A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.
True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck AND the quote was, "maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up" leads me to believe that he did very little damage. Chances are if he wasn't able to break the NPC's tank he probably wasn't able to tank the NPC's damage.
*I wasn't there but it takes me about 5 minutes to run the site from top to bottom.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
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Posted - 2016.11.01 15:08:07 -
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pajedas wrote:Violet Hurst wrote:A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck
Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank. |
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.11.01 15:26:05 -
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Violet Hurst wrote:pajedas wrote:Violet Hurst wrote:A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank.
They are not mutually exclusive but true 9/10 times.
I'm right, you're wrong. Not worth arguing anymore.
Toodles
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.11.01 15:57:06 -
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pajedas wrote:Kolmogorow wrote:Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
Sorry, illogical argument. If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage. Last shot gets the KM and the wreck.
In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.
If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.11.02 01:04:07 -
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Kolmogorow wrote:In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.
If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.
Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times.
I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense?
=ƒÆû (GDP) USA = =ƒÆ¦18.562t / Iceland = =ƒÆ¦19.444b =ƒÆû
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
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Posted - 2016.11.02 10:59:19 -
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You really love making up numbers, don't you?  |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
254
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Posted - 2016.11.02 12:13:26 -
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pajedas wrote:Kolmogorow wrote:In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider.
If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.
Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times. I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense?
From the EVE Wiki: Container and wreck ownership:
"When an NPC is killed by a player, the player who did the most damage to it gets ownership of any loot containers that may drop and of the wreck left behind by that NPC."
That's what 4 or 5 people said in this thread and tested just a few days ago and it has been confirmed in other threads. We are talking about NPCs and wrecks btw, not about PVP and kill mails. The rules might be different.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
342
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Posted - 2016.11.02 12:34:53 -
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I agree to disagree.
=ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû
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Bagatur I
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2016.11.02 12:35:45 -
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well, the event is over, but here are my 2c.
I think the rules are different for normal NPC rats and this event rats. although I cant say anything about BC loot ownership rules, I did notice that bounty was NOT split if there were others on grid. I was getting full 10k or 120k if I killed the rat.
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
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Posted - 2016.11.02 12:49:08 -
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About the first 25 that A$$HAT$ came in and contested after I killed 20+ NPC's I overheated and turned up the DPS on the BC and BS. Lost most of those.
After that I watched the damage and timed it just right to land the final blow.
I won 99/100 after I switched to final blow. Many of those I ONLY landed 1 shot and won the wreck.
=ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû
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pajedas
Special Activities Division
342
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Posted - 2016.11.02 12:56:00 -
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I've sold as many as I have left: Blood Raider Loot
Blood Raider Cerebral Accelerator x104 remaining.
=ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû
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