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Korobov Tesla Man Evolved 1	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:30:53 - [1] - Quote I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first.. I am flying a Navy Vexor so pretty much all drone damage, I figured that the drones were takeing to long to get to the target even if I had it locked first so I put a rail gun on there to get DPS as soon as the target is locked and that doesn't seem to work. What am I doing wrong here? I am not so much interested in ganking people as I am defending my site against someone who wants to gank me.
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 183	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:47:16 - [2] - Quote Korobov Tesla wrote: I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first... it isn't your
Korobov Tesla Man Evolved 1	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:48:31 - [3] - Quote unidenify wrote: Korobov Tesla wrote: I am trying to figure out how the mechanic works that allows someone to pop into your site and steal your BC spawn even tho I can lock and get damage on it first... it isn't your You're right. MY
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 183	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:52:00 - [4] - Quote you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first. and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well.
Korobov Tesla Man Evolved 1	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:53:55 - [5] - Quote unidenify wrote: you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first. and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag?
unidenify Plundering Penguins Solyaris Chtonium 183	Posted - 2016.10.20 01:58:35 - [6] - Quote Korobov Tesla wrote: unidenify wrote: you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first. and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag? only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person.
Korobov Tesla Man Evolved 1	Posted - 2016.10.20 02:05:09 - [7] - Quote unidenify wrote: Korobov Tesla wrote: unidenify wrote: you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first. and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag? only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person. It's yellow to me even after I shoot at it.
erg cz Eleutherian Guard Villore Accords 501	Posted - 2016.10.20 08:25:50 - [8] - Quote You need DPS or alpha. With dps ship you need to apply damage all the time, Alpha ship should fire only when BC is in structure. I fly DPS ship, so I won most fights, but often competitor Gila or arty svipul could still get an upper hand. Because Gila drones have almost 2000 Alpha strike and arty is ... you know... Never the less, side itself is deadly boring so I even welcome the competition (in place I live sides appears every few minutes, so no problem to lose one or two). It is true, though, that local ppl starts to hate me :( Absolutely free trial extension. Just click the link and get your extra week of Eve for free!
Sentenced 1989 199	Posted - 2016.10.20 10:13:56 - [9] - Quote Korobov Tesla wrote: unidenify wrote: Korobov Tesla wrote: unidenify wrote: you have no claim to site or spawn. only person who is fast enough to loot wreck first is one who win. not one who shoot first. and if you talk about ganker steal your loot without suspect flag, it is because they shoot at it, therefore they are eligible for loot as well. So if we both shoot at it the person who gets to it first can loot it without suspect flag? only time wreck would flag if it appear yellow to you. and you would get suspect flag. if it appear blue or white, you won't get suspect flag. and if you and other person shoot at it, it will be white to you and other person. It's yellow to me even after I shoot at it. It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it. The Incursion Guild Epic Arc Guide
Chan'aar State War Academy Caldari State 52	Posted - 2016.10.20 10:57:38 - [10] - Quote Sentenced 1989 wrote: It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it. I thought the owner of the wreck was determined by "who did the most damage" ?

Sentenced 1989 199	Posted - 2016.10.20 12:23:39 - [11] - Quote Chan'aar wrote: Sentenced 1989 wrote: It is not who shot if first, it is who shot it last who gets it. I thought the owner of the wreck was determined by "who did the most damage" ? Nope, last hit... easily testable, get an alt into frigate and start shooting an rat, stop when it is at 5% hull, finish it off with your main, your main will own the wreck. So what you can do it this case - learn your adversary and time your shoots. Figure out how much damage you can at once and go from there. For example, my confessor can kill that BC in 3-4 shots. I know that if armor of that BC is below 30% I will definitely kill it. Once I am in room with drone boat I can just wait till it is at around 50% and activate my guns. By the time my ship fires drones will most likely take that 20% diff and I will finish it. But I also met guy in Naga who could kill it as soon as shields are gone in one shot in which case I risk and let him fire first, then overheat my guns and fire as well. Sometimes he killed the rat with alpha damage (full volley damage from your guns) alone and sometimes the rat would stay in hull in which case I would finish it. Anyways, figure out what works for your situation and apply it. The Incursion Guild Epic Arc Guide
Chan'aar State War Academy Caldari State 52	Posted - 2016.10.20 13:47:44 - [12] - Quote Sentenced 1989 wrote: Nope, last hit... easily testable, get an alt into frigate and start shooting an rat, stop when it is at 5% hull, finish it off with your main, your main will own the wreck. Well 9 years of not understanding game mechanics for the win then.
Donnachadh United Allegiance of Undesirables 1028	Posted - 2016.10.20 13:51:44 - [13] - Quote Checking facts this post may be back.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 207	Posted - 2016.10.20 16:13:40 - [14] - Quote It is always the last shot that makes the kill, is the one who gets the bounty, or rights to any loot. If it's yellow, it's not yours. However, I've come across some un-fearing pilots, who just go and take the loot out from under you, and quickly warp off. By the time I target them, they're gone. So it really doesn't matter who gets the kill, it's whoever can loot the wreck first. Anyway, if they were in fleet, it would have been 3 Gilas against one BC, in a PVE fit. But c'mon, do you guys need 3 Gilas to do these Blood Raider events? (and then maybe it was just coincidence) -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Korobov Tesla Man Evolved 2	Posted - 2016.10.20 19:41:00 - [15] - Quote Awesome thanks for all the replies, it has cleared up my concerns for sure. Despite how fast my Navy Vexor kills ****, it's probably not the best ship for contesting a site.
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3035	Posted - 2016.10.20 22:23:12 - [16] - Quote Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... I'm my own NPC alt.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2755	Posted - 2016.10.20 23:44:17 - [17] - Quote Tipa Riot wrote: Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. Edit: or maybe I'll just test it. That is my understanding though. Really makes me question how **** poor some of the Gila fits I've been contesting against are though.
Aplysia Vejun Children of Agasul 64	Posted - 2016.10.21 08:24:49 - [18] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership..
Yurica Happyness Realization Party 1	Posted - 2016.10.21 10:37:11 - [19] - Quote When someone else is in the site I don't shoot the BC at all, instead I check how much damage the other player does over time, and then with a single well-timed shot get the wreck. It's definitely the last shot.
Ishido Attaka Czerka. 17	Posted - 2016.10.21 11:22:15 - [20] - Quote Aplysia Vejun wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership.. Than it was not you, who did the last blow. Simple as that.

Chococat Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.10.21 13:00:17 - [21] - Quote It used to be termed "the final blow". The wreck is flagged as belonging to the party that brought the targets structure below zero. The wreck then appears yellow to anyone else. Anyone opening a wreck that is yellow is flagged as suspect to the wreck owner and the wreck owner is entitled to commence pew pew. However anyone opening that wreck is probably doing it to try for a fight , that means they are either a moron having an emo rage moment or they are pvp fit and think you are easy game. then again they could just have noticed that you are so far from the wreck that they think they have a good chance of thieving the loot and getting before you can scram them. With a VNI you should be able to dual mar tank if you really need to - running one rep most of the time - bursting the second if you need it, (which should be very occasionally occasionally if ever, I ma guessing you dont have pimp skills and might appreciate a comfort buffer), this way you could get right on the raider structure thing in room two ready for the BC spawn, hit approach on the bc as soon as it appears , when it pops check can ownership is yours and scoop. You don't have the dps to compete with gilas. Just avoid wasting time against them .
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 207	Posted - 2016.10.21 14:07:00 - [22] - Quote I tried these Blood Raider events in a rail Tengu that has good dps, but rails don't do good em damage. I went to a Harbinger, it could do good em dmg, but I couldn't find a happy medium, between gank and tank. I looked thru my hanger to see what ship I could use. I said what the heck, take the Golem out. The Golem may be a bit overkill, but it did very well. I one volleyed almost everything, and the BC. With even another guy in the field, who got to the accel gate before me. While he slugged it out with the cruisers, I was still slow-boating it to the gate. I still got there in time to get the BC.I then used the tractor beam to pull in the wreck. Next time I need to fit an AB or MWD. So I'll take the Golem out again for these events. Question - can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam? -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Al Nomadi Morawins 23	Posted - 2016.10.21 14:20:22 - [23] - Quote Ion Kirst wrote: can a wreck be stolen or looted when it's caught in a tractor beam? -Kirst Yes, but the ship doing that must be able to do 500+ m/s
Aplysia Vejun Children of Agasul 64	Posted - 2016.10.21 14:32:41 - [24] - Quote Ishido Attaka wrote: Aplysia Vejun wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: Tipa Riot wrote: Strange, I could swear top damage gets you the wreck ownership ... Nope, I'll back this one. Final blow gets it. . I often did the last blow without getting the ownership.. Than it was not you, who did the last blow. Simple as that. Nope. I was the only player present in the site. The others had to flee before i killed the last rat (it was in lowsec)
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2492	Posted - 2016.10.21 15:45:55 - [25] - Quote It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Buoytender Bob Ronin Exploration Mission and Mining 209	Posted - 2016.10.21 16:51:08 - [26] - Quote Well, we have two camps at opposite ends who have tested the "who claims the wreck?" problem. Can we reach a conclusion that both sides agree on? To buck the popular trend, I began to Rage Start instead of Rage Quit. ...and every time I get another piece of Carbon, I know exactly what CCP is getting this Christmas.
Kaivarian Coste Maut Merchant Navy 89	Posted - 2016.10.21 17:41:08 - [27] - Quote Earlier today I ran a site in high sec, and got the BC down to structure before I had to reload. Someone else was in the room and blapped the BC before I could resume DPS, but the wreck went to me. So it's definitely not the last person that delivers DPS.
Zhilia Mann Tide Way Out Productions 2755	Posted - 2016.10.21 22:49:50 - [28] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage.
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2508	Posted - 2016.10.21 23:04:59 - [29] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out). "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Tipa Riot Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3040	Posted - 2016.10.22 04:59:03 - [30] - Quote Zhilia Mann wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. I won a couple against Gilas, because their drones spent too much time traveling back from the last cruiser rat to the battlecruiser, where I was sitting 1000m of the rat dishing out 500 DPS after instalock. I'm my own NPC alt.

Chococat Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.10.22 06:43:37 - [31] - Quote I concur; I having spent the last 30 mins deliberately contesting sites to test, (thanks to an early morning alarm call from a son who really needed to discuss thunder-birds at six am on a Saturday morning) it does look like its most damage is the key
Sentenced 1989 199	Posted - 2016.10.22 11:49:11 - [32] - Quote SurrenderMonkey wrote: Zhilia Mann wrote: SurrenderMonkey wrote: It is definitely most damage - not final blow. As someone else noted, this IS trivially tested, but I think the actual testing step was skipped over. Having just shot several belt rats into structure on one character, then finishing them off with a second, the wrecks came out yellow to the "final blow" character every last time. Using character 1 for the first shot, then DPSing down to nothing with the second character before finishing off with the first also resulted in the second character getting the loot rights. Alright, I'll repent. Most damage it is. Which now makes me wonder what kind of **** fits I've been competing against. A beam Confessor doesn't do that much damage. One thing I'm not sure on is if it's on an individual basis, or a fleet basis. E.g., if I do 40% of the damage to a rat, and two guys in a fleet each do 30%, I'm not sure if I get it or they do (but I think maybe I'm about to find out). Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill), however wreck will be white to all fleet members. Also bounty is always split equally on grid regardless of damage applied. Let's say fleet of 3, one is not on grid, you shoot and kill 1 million bounty ship. 3rd guy not on grid gets nothing. You and fleet member on grid get half mill each, regardless if your fleet member shot the wreck or not. The Incursion Guild Epic Arc Guide
Hendrix Foster The Scope Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.10.22 14:12:01 - [33] - Quote I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance. However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS Only one thing to say to them....pussies.
Sentenced 1989 199	Posted - 2016.10.22 14:40:12 - [34] - Quote Hendrix Foster wrote: I have been trying to do (and easily winning) these event sites in an ewar Celestis as a challenge, and it is of course do-able with missiles and hobgoblin 2 etc. You just need to keep your distance. However, I am doing a site and I see Gilas/Navy Hurricanes (that need to grow a pair) and all sort of ridiculous OP ships being the hero at these sites.....FFS Only one thing to say to them....pussies. EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo. So, somebody has worked out how to do this site faster and more efficient then you, but because they are using ship which is fine tuned to do that exact thing you decide to call them names? Kudos to you. I can also say something about intelligence of person running PVE in ewar ships... Also doing level one in a Brutix might be more hard then you think, and if you Brutix fit can do it faster then for example Corax / Jackdawn, it means you actually understand this game mechanics... The Incursion Guild Epic Arc Guide
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2512	Posted - 2016.10.22 14:42:58 - [35] - Quote Sentenced 1989 wrote: Still same thing, if in fleet - wreck is owned by last shoot (kill), No, it isn't. As you noted earlier in the thread, this is easily tested with an alt - you should do that. It's most damage. I'm not sure where this last-hit myth came from (pvp killmails, perhaps), but that isn't how it works. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Hendrix Foster The Scope Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.10.22 15:00:05 - [36] - Quote edited by me.
Maneila Bekas Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.10.22 15:56:25 - [37] - Quote i use a polarized Phantasm, FactionMods. +6 All Turrets Damage Implant 960dps or something out of the guns (i heat on the last wreck) Together with 3small drones I have 2 SensorBoosters I lock, make 3 HITS about 3900damage on the Battlecruiser, its in deep structure. A HARBINGER THAT IS ON GRID WITH ME MAKES 280Damage, last shot, Wreck is yellow. Same happens with Confessors, Svipuls blablabla....they CANT even outDPS me...but they get the wreck when i don-¦t time it right. IT IS THE ******* LAST SHOT OR THE MECHANIC IS DAMN BROKEN SOMETIMES ! SO PLEASE CCP CAN YOU GIVE US A 100% Answer on this PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away... "CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."* *A BRAVE HERO
Kaivarian Coste Placid Peace Corps 89	Posted - 2016.10.22 16:10:51 - [38] - Quote ^ perhaps it's just random
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13074	Posted - 2016.10.22 16:22:14 - [39] - Quote Hendrix Foster wrote: Only one thing to say to them....pussies. EDIT - Doing these current event missions in a Gila or Navy battlecruiser is akin to doing level one missions in a Brutix......pathetic imo. I suppose it's a bit like shiptoasting on an anonymous NPC alt, eh? Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Maneila Bekas Aliastra Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2016.10.22 21:17:33 - [40] - Quote a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D So yeah, it is ******* last shot.... Outnumbered, Outgunned You have the Choice Overheat your MWD and fly directly into the enemy pack with Guns blazing...and then, that silent moment only one Server Tick away... "CYNO UP, CYNO UP - JUMP JUMP JUMP - Primary is ..."* *A BRAVE HERO

SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2516	Posted - 2016.10.23 00:46:17 - [41] - Quote Maneila Bekas wrote: a WOLF beat me 2mins ago in my 980dps Cynabal with 2 Sensor Boosters :D So yeah, it is ***** last shot.... Simply put: No. Unlike this anecdotal, "I think I should have won but I didn't win so it must be last hit," I've actually tested this by specifically granting the last hit to one of two alts, and they did not win. That said, it isn't necessarily most** damage, either. It could, for instance, be flagged at a damage threshold, e.g., first 20%, in which case you could very easily lose to a faster-locking ship with reasonable DPS output (or, especially, good alpha) despite doing more overall. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Kaivarian Coste Placid Peace Corps 89	Posted - 2016.10.23 13:57:22 - [42] - Quote I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow?
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2516	Posted - 2016.10.23 14:00:17 - [43] - Quote Kaivarian Coste wrote: I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow? No, I've tried that as well, look up thread. Assuming what you've said is correct, having it triggered at a damage threshold (first X damage or first X% damage) seems most likely. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 5956	Posted - 2016.10.24 04:11:32 - [44] - Quote I have a feeling that smewhere in the CCP offices there are GMs rolling dice and taking bets on quantity of forum tears that will result from flipping this wreck one way or the other :D Day 0 Advice for New Players
pajedas Special Activities Division 335	Posted - 2016.10.30 12:42:05 - [45] - Quote It's just like a KM. Final blow gets the KM, and in this instance, the wreck. G¡É If I say a horse is laying an egg, you better build a nest! G¡É
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources 245	Posted - 2016.10.30 22:47:08 - [46] - Quote Kaivarian Coste wrote: I stumbled on a gauntlet that was partially finished and abandoned. I killed a rat that appeared to be full strength, and it turned into a YELLOW wreck. Obviously I delivered both MORE DPS and the killing shot to the rat, and yet it was yellow. Perhaps the wreck goes to whoever lands the first blow? Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner.
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.01 14:36:59 - [47] - Quote Kolmogorow wrote: Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner. Sorry, illogical argument. If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage. Last shot gets the KM and the wreck. =ƒÆû (GDP) USA = =ƒÆ¦18.562t / Iceland = =ƒÆ¦19.444b =ƒÆû
Violet Hurst Fedaya Recon 112	Posted - 2016.11.01 14:48:55 - [48] - Quote pajedas wrote: Kolmogorow wrote: Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner. Sorry, illogical argument. If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage. Last shot gets the KM and the wreck. A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming.
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.01 14:57:40 - [49] - Quote Violet Hurst wrote: A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck AND the quote was, "maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up" leads me to believe that he did very little damage. Chances are if he wasn't able to break the NPC's tank he probably wasn't able to tank the NPC's damage. I wasn't there but it takes me about 5 minutes to run the site from top to bottom. =ƒÆû (GDP) USA = =ƒÆ¦18.562t / Iceland = =ƒÆ¦19.444b =ƒÆû*
Violet Hurst Fedaya Recon 112	Posted - 2016.11.01 15:08:07 - [50] - Quote pajedas wrote: Violet Hurst wrote: A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank.

pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.01 15:26:05 - [51] - Quote Violet Hurst wrote: pajedas wrote: Violet Hurst wrote: A repper can restore more than 100% of HP if there is damage incoming. True. But, given the fact that the last shot gets the KM/wreck Whenever did that become a fact? And no, a ship with low dps doesn't necessarily have a bad tank. They are not mutually exclusive but true 9/10 times. I'm right, you're wrong. Not worth arguing anymore. Toodles =ƒÆû (GDP) USA = =ƒÆ¦18.562t / Iceland = =ƒÆ¦19.444b =ƒÆû
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources 253	Posted - 2016.11.01 15:57:06 - [52] - Quote pajedas wrote: Kolmogorow wrote: Well, maybe somebody was fighting against the Blood Raiders' armor repper for some time until he gave up, and when you came armor and shields were fully repaired. In that case he still could have delivered more damage than you and hence became the wreck owner. Sorry, illogical argument. If the target's armor and shields were fully repaired the person that comes along and kills it by doing %100 of its total damage would more than likely (1,000,000/1) do more damage. Last shot gets the KM and the wreck. In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider. If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner.
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.02 01:04:07 - [53] - Quote Kolmogorow wrote: In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider. If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner. Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times. I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense? =ƒÆû (GDP) USA = =ƒÆ¦18.562t / Iceland = =ƒÆ¦19.444b =ƒÆû
Violet Hurst Fedaya Recon 113	Posted - 2016.11.02 10:59:19 - [54] - Quote You really love making up numbers, don't you?
Kolmogorow Freedom Resources 254	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:13:26 - [55] - Quote pajedas wrote: Kolmogorow wrote: In this thread multiple people came to the conclusion that top damage gets the wreck after they tested it, even the people who believed before that the final blow gets the wreck. And no, you don't get a KM for killing a blood raider. If the last shot would get the wreck how will you explain the observation that Kaivarian Coste made (the one that I was quoting)? I was trying to explain it based on the fact that top damage gets the wreck with a maybe unlikely argument, but certainly possible and not illogical. Until now I don't see another explanation, except that there is some bug or a random factor in determining the wreck owner. Sorry, wrong. Tested over 100 times. I know you don't get a KM for a BR...are you really that dense? From the EVE Wiki: Container and wreck ownership: "When an NPC is killed by a player, the player who did the most damage to it gets ownership of any loot containers that may drop and of the wreck left behind by that NPC." That's what 4 or 5 people said in this thread and tested just a few days ago and it has been confirmed in other threads. We are talking about NPCs and wrecks btw, not about PVP and kill mails. The rules might be different.
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:34:53 - [56] - Quote I agree to disagree. =ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû
Bagatur I GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 79	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:35:45 - [57] - Quote well, the event is over, but here are my 2c. I think the rules are different for normal NPC rats and this event rats. although I cant say anything about BC loot ownership rules, I did notice that bounty was NOT split if there were others on grid. I was getting full 10k or 120k if I killed the rat.
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:49:08 - [58] - Quote About the first 25 that A$$HAT$ came in and contested after I killed 20+ NPC's I overheated and turned up the DPS on the BC and BS. Lost most of those. After that I watched the damage and timed it just right to land the final blow. I won 99/100 after I switched to final blow. Many of those I ONLY landed 1 shot and won the wreck. =ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû
pajedas Special Activities Division 342	Posted - 2016.11.02 12:56:00 - [59] - Quote I've sold as many as I have left: Blood Raider Loot Blood Raider Cerebral Accelerator x104 remaining. =ƒÆû - USA - =ƒÆû


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