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Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 953	Posted - 2016.10.23 01:34:08 - [1] - Quote At approximately 0015 on YC118.10.22 capsuleers under the unified command SERAPH (Special Empire Response for the Assault and Penetration of Hives) began OPERATION MORNING GLORY. This led to the Battle of Sazre. The losses suffered in the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign do not seem to have diminished the capability of the Drifters to wage war. SERAPH formally issues a warning that the Drifters remain a high level threat. CommanderGÇÖs intent for this operation was the infliction of mass casualties upon Drifter assets in Imperial space. Since the withdrawal of the Drifter invasion of the Throne Worlds, capsuleer counter attack has been limited to hive penetrations. These operations, conducted by ARC, were extremely successful in fully mapping the Hive complexes and acquiring Drifter Elements. However, these operations faced only a minimal amount of resistance. Penetration operations nominally encountered no more than ten (10) or so Drifter battleships. It was unknown if the Drifter forces had been depleted or if these hives were simply not heavily defended. Additionally, despite the end of the invasion, Drifter wormholes continue to appear around New Eden, including Imperial space. Drifter battleships continue to operate within systems containing a Jove Observatory. The Holy Amarr remains at war with the Drifters, making these legitimate war targets. Friendly forces for this operation consisted of twelve pilots, plus command support. Alizabeth (Fleet Commander) Lady Morwen Lagann (Squad 1 Commander) Aria Jenneth Arsia Elkin Kaaeliaa Lady Mitara Newelle Arrendis (Squad 2 Commander) darkezero Kaylie Jenn Pieter Tuulinen Thulla Icin Varcutii Renalard The exact fleet composition is being withheld, though some details can be shared. This was the first use of a new doctrine: Righteous Weasels. In the Righteous Weasels doctrine, Guardian-class logistics cruisers support recon, heavy assault, and special role cruisers and tactical destroyers. Enemy forces consisted of Drifter battleships and Circadian Seeker cruisers. No new classes were spotted in this operation. Enemy ships appeared to behave according to their doctrine as SERAPH command understands it. The mission of the operation was two-fold. The primary objective was to interdict Drifter ships entering Imperial space and measure Drifter response times to assault on Drifter assets (ships) in Imperial space. The secondary objective was a battlefield test of the Righteous Weasels doctrine. The mission was considered successful in both objectives. The Drifters had been seen in Sazre before the operation commenced in the vicinity of the Jove Observatory. Some days before the operation, Morwen Lagann had placed a citadel GÇÿon gridGÇÖ with the observatory for the purpose of monitoring Drifter activity. It is presumed that the Drifter presence in the system just a day later was a response to the actual commissioning of the citadel The day of the operation, the citadelGÇÖs gunners noted Drifter battleships operating in groups of three and Circadian Seeker cruisers operating in groups of four or five. Prior to the operationGÇÖs commencement, the citadel had engaged and destroyed a number of Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships. With a known presence, the fleet undocked and set up position on the Jove Observatory. Initially the fleet engaged both Circadian Seeker cruisers and Drifter battleships in the vicinity of both the Jove Observatory and the unidentified wormhole. In certain cases we had identified a Drifter patrol that was able to warp away from the wormhole before the fleet was able to engage. Tactical destroyers were sent across the system to scout. A Circadian Seeker patrol was engaged in an asteroid belt. A Drifter battleship that warped into support the Circadian Seerkers was also killed. It was in this scouting and fleet maneuvers that the first and only loss occurred. A tactical destroyer was sent to scout the wormhole and destroyed by Drifter Battleships before the fleet could move to support. Sadly, no crew survived. After a brief break to rearm and repair modules damaged from overheating, the fleet once again moved to the Unidentified Wormhole to interdict. For the last two hours, the fleet engaged targets only at the wormhole and observatory. SERAPH pilots represented themselves well in these maneuvers that required precision and speed. The Righteous Weasel doctrine has little to no margin for error and every pilot in the fleet performed their role flawlessly. Drifter forces seemed to be scattered throughout the system and would respond to an attack on one patrol. During the course of the battle, both Circadian Seeker cruisers and Drifter battleships would seek to reinforce their comrades under attack. At one point, the SERAPH fleet was under attack from seven (7) Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships. Upon the conclusion of the operation, the SERAPH fleet had engaged and destroyed a number (greater than twenty [20]) Circadian Seeker cruisers and fifty-one (51) Drifter battleships. The citadel had destroyed a number of Circadian Seeker cruisers and three (3) Drifter battleships. For SERAPH fleets, ships are provided by SERAPH. All ships provided were properly fitted and loaded with ordnance. The fleet commander for this operation was Alizabeth. Plans for command devolution are being withheld for security reasons. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 953	Posted - 2016.10.23 01:34:30 - [2] - Quote Given the significant Drifter response to attacks on Drifter ships in Imperial space it can be surmised that Drifter forces are not depleted. The lack of Drifter battleships seen in their hives compared to the influxes seen in the Defense of Throne Worlds campaign does not indicate a weakening of their forces. That over fifty Drifter battleshipsGÇöa force roughly half of the attack wing that destroyed EF Seraph and killed Empress JamylGÇöwere operating with impunity in sovereign Imperial space is particularly troubling. More troubling is that despite the heavy losses inflicted upon the Drifters, they did not retreat. The operation was concluded with an orderly retrograde by the SERAPH fleet, not a Drifter retreat. SERAPH operations against the Drifters will remain ongoing. CommanderGÇÖs statement: I would like to extend my thanks and admiration to all the pilots that flew on this operation. It was difficult flying, and every single one of them acquitted themselves well. They fought like lions in the largest single engagement against the Drifters since the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign and emerged victorious. I am proud to fly with such magnificent pilots. A special medal has been issued for the pilots that were there, and I am working with the leadership of each pilotGÇÖs respective organization to ensure it is issued. It bears the mission statement of SERAPH: GÇ£No matter how long No matter what cost We will fight this war to the end In Her Name.GÇ¥ Questions will be answered in this thread as possible. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kaaeliaa Tyrannos Sunset 96752	Posted - 2016.10.23 01:42:04 - [3] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: That over fifty Drifter battleshipsGÇöa force roughly half of the attack wing that destroyed EF Seraph and killed Empress JamylGÇöwere operating with impunity in sovereign Imperial space is particularly troubling. Not anymore. "Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Pieter Tuulinen Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 6573	Posted - 2016.10.23 02:44:08 - [4] - Quote Analysis: Drifter Battleships remain eminently beatable with little to no losses by regular capsuleer fleet assets. Some of our ships were expensive, but none of them were ridiculously or prohibitively so. Drifter Battleship classes Artemis and Apollo have done little to alter their tactics to forestall these losses. Sleeper assets coming on field during the engagement of a Drifter triplet seems to affect the balance of power negligibly. Drifter fleets deployed Fifty-Three (53) Battleship class vessels within a four hour engagement window. (This is actually skewed low, because only after two hours did we crack their deployment pattern and interdict their movement through Sazre completely.) Despite the complete destruction of all 53 Battleship class vessels, Drifter 'command' never turned off the tap. They kept coming. They kept dying. In the end fatigue drove SERAPH forces from the field. Conclusions: Minimal Drifter tactical evolution. Zero Drifter materiel evolution. Fifty-three (53) Battleships does not represent the bottom of the bucket. Despite a sound thrashing meted out to Johnny Drifter, my fears are not assuaged. If anything we have to step up the scale of the killing until we can, at least, convince them to stop pushing sausage into their end of the machine. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2554	Posted - 2016.10.23 07:10:05 - [5] - Quote I'm still not thrilled with the names. However, I shall mollify myself with my continued work with the Drifter Apocalypse Team, Applied Sciences Section. Seriously, though, Righteous Weasels? I can't even begin to explain the mental image that summons.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1725	Posted - 2016.10.23 07:12:48 - [6] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Seriously, though, Righteous Weasels? I can't even begin to explain the mental image that summons. A weasel, wearing an Amarr hood, riding a surfboard, catching an impressive tubular wave. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2554	Posted - 2016.10.23 07:40:26 - [7] - Quote Close. I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 956	Posted - 2016.10.23 07:49:17 - [8] - Quote And this is a bad image? We'll have to use robes from someone other than an Empress Jamyl hating heretic, though. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy RED University 112	Posted - 2016.10.23 08:52:00 - [9] - Quote Blind Vengeance People do not even know what is written in the testament Jamyl Sarum. Imperial force is not attack Drifters. Maybe they know more of the truth than you. Recently I watched the Imperial Navy Security Force were with Drifters. All cover those ships that participated in the attack Jamyl Sarum. Ask at Catiz this normal ? Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1698	Posted - 2016.10.23 09:19:10 - [10] - Quote Arrendis wrote: Close. I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene. This sounds like something straight out of a Brun Courtiser holo-reel. Just replace the Jin-Mei fellow with a weasel. You watched 'The Hard-Boiled Killer' very recently, didn't you? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 960	Posted - 2016.10.23 17:41:35 - [11] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Conclusions: Minimal Drifter tactical evolution. Zero Drifter materiel evolution. Fifty-three (53) Battleships does not represent the bottom of the bucket. Doctrine and tactical evolution is actually a pretty complex process. Part of the reason SERAPH is kept so small is to facilitate a rapid doctrine change if needed. When I was flying with ARC, Priano-haani was pretty resistant to doctrine changes. It's hard to find fault with her reasoning: they had a doctrine that worked, and even if it was sub-optimal, it still worked. ARC also has to ensure that any change can be handled by all their pilots, which is a significant number across many skill levels. For SERAPH's switch to Righteous Weasels, it was just a matter of SERAPH buying the new ships and issuing them to the pilots. And we had other classes and designs of ships to switch to. If the Drifters are having to design a new class, or worse a new hull, from scratch, it will likely take them a significant amount of time. Their tactical options are limited by them really only have one class of combat ship. I am sure there is an argument taking place with the Strategos about doctrine, but when it comes down to it, the Drifters' doctrine works in most cases. It's just a few of us that are really giving the Drifters issues. They are likely to want to make sure any doctrine change doesn't break everything. The Drifters only have one ship and one doctrine that has to be used for every situation. SERAPH's doctrine only has to be effective against the Drifters. For other missions, we can reship and change tactics as needed. Your third conclusion is correct. And that is what keeps me awake at night. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2559	Posted - 2016.10.23 17:42:20 - [12] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Arrendis wrote: Close. I was actually thinking of a mongoose in Max Singularity's robes and one of those big pointy ovoid religious hats, diving down a set of stairs in a Caldari Teahouse, firing a pair of obnoxiously large revolvers belching out divine plasma while white doves fly through the scene. This sounds like something straight out of a Brun Courtiser holo-reel. Just replace the Jin-Mei fellow with a weasel. You watched 'The Hard-Boiled Killer' very recently, didn't you? Not in about.... uhm... Wow, it's been a long time. I wasn't even an egger then.
Matar Ronin 2260	Posted - 2016.10.23 22:29:41 - [13] - Quote Impressive numbers. Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Lord Kailethre Oruze Cruise White Stag Exit Bag 419	Posted - 2016.10.24 09:33:50 - [14] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: Impressive numbers. Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened?
Veikitamo Gesakaarin Noticed. 2015	Posted - 2016.10.24 10:24:10 - [15] - Quote A real scary thought would be if, ever since the wormhole crisis six years ago all that the Drifters have been doing is building an endless Armada of ships using Jovian derived materials technology in their hives and what we are seeing now is nothing more than the small vanguard to test our defenses prior to the deployment of the Drifter capital and supercapital fleets. Even spookier is if what we classify as "Battleships" due to their firepower and size the Drifters only consider, "Frigates" due to their firepower and size.
Matar Ronin 2261	Posted - 2016.10.24 10:24:42 - [16] - Quote Lord Kailethre wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Impressive numbers. Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact) These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses. Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning. So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.24 11:28:04 - [17] - Quote This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1702	Posted - 2016.10.24 12:30:09 - [18] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. The Beast is already awake for a long while now. What, you think them taking out the late Jamyl Sarum isn't a clear enough message? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Pieter Tuulinen Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF 6576	Posted - 2016.10.24 19:59:22 - [19] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. The State is an ally of the Empire, but if the Caldari Navy drove 53 Battleships through Amarrian space without at least notifying the Empire beforehand, I'm willing to bet that the Imperial Navy would have things to say about it. The Drifters are an enemy. They absolutely do not have permission to pass through Imperial space and we decided to raise the price of admission this weekend. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 962	Posted - 2016.10.25 22:41:13 - [20] - Quote We will fight the Drifters wherever they are. We will kill them where we find them. We Amarr do not cower in fear. We Amarr do not retreat. We Amarr do not give up. The line is drawn here. This far and no further! I respect the Drifter's power, but I do not fear them. If they strike back, SERAPH will be ready for them. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 962	Posted - 2016.10.25 22:50:43 - [21] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1896	Posted - 2016.10.25 23:17:05 - [22] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: Lord Kailethre wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Impressive numbers. Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact) These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses. Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning. So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be. I think you've forgotten about the entirety of the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign. The numbers of Drifter vessels destroyed in last week's engagement are nothing compared to the sorties every night of that campaign. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium Owner, The Golden Masque
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.25 23:44:10 - [23] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: This will lead to a retaliatory strike on the part of Drifters. Do not wake the beast while he sleeps. As a woman, I do not possess testicles. However, I am confident in saying that I have more balls than you, Vollhov. Excuse me. What is the problem ask what in the testament? You loyalist !!! You participated in succession. You serve home Sarum. Ask your Order Tetrimon. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 962	Posted - 2016.10.25 23:55:53 - [24] - Quote Lady Tyrathlion is correct. This was the largest engagement since the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign. Most of the pilots that flew in the defense were quiet professionals. Even now, those that fight Drifters usually keep a lower profile. I do not, for instance, post about the week to week operations of SERAPH. However, in this case, given the dedication of my fleet for this operation I decided to make an announcement and a warning. I am sure they appreciate your compliments. With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2561	Posted - 2016.10.26 00:52:55 - [25] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: We Amarr do not cower in fear. We Amarr do not retreat. We Amarr do not give up. Ahem.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.26 00:58:15 - [26] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1706	Posted - 2016.10.26 01:12:31 - [27] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.26 02:14:44 - [28] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation. First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation. I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past. That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr. That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz? If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1706	Posted - 2016.10.26 02:27:51 - [29] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation. First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation. I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past. That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr. That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz? If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange. One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully. Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely. Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.). And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State. What did you think all that security is for? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.26 03:22:16 - [30] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: With regards to the Drifters, Vollhov, what do you think Empress Jamyl would want us to do? She wanted this war ? She wanted all these sacrifices ? Drifters attacking forces of the Empire ? I can not understand. Why was conducted "succession" at the time of the invasion. Provisional Government of the Empire know that the drifters did not strike a blow to repeat. It is better to get the answers to all the questions that have no answer for a year. The capsule goes into warp faster than her will capture the target BS Drifter If she wished to live ..... You seem to forget that House Sarum is one of the more militaristic Royal Heir families of the Amarr Empire. Their push for a Reclaiming was quite well documented and it was a miracle (or more likely, because of CONCORD), that there hasn't been a violent push into neighbouring borders when a Sarum was on the Throne. I reckon it is far more likely that if the late Jamyl Sarum is still alive, her response to an assassination attempt by the Drifters would have been "Reclaim them." Also, the succession had to be done or else there won't be an Emperor or an Empress to lead the Amarr Empire. What, you think the Empire votes an Emperor or Empress onto the Throne? No, they FIGHT for the position. Used to be they do it themselves. These days they get the best possible loyal combat capsuleer to fight on their behalf. The last time governance was left to a Provisional Government, which might as well be 'Left to the Chamberlain', Karsoth happened. I doubt the Empire wants to allow any chance for another Karsoth to happen. Jamyl Sarum was not like everyone else in the Sarum Family. It was she who stopped the Golden of Retribution fleet after the Battle of Sarum Prime. (Stopping a major war and possible total destruction Minmatar) House Saurm the cradle of tactics, precisely because of this great house came great generals and admirals. If Jamyl Sarum would like all of the Sarum family, we would never see the Emancipation. First, it was necessary to deal with the representations of houses. Six representatives can not be in the council. It is a violation. I will reveal to you a terrible secret: Succession and subsequently death of heirs does not solve anything. All this is imposed in the past. Read properly and you will understand that no house is not able to capture the Golden Throne. Themselves think that's heir died, so what? Family is alive and can fight for the throne. But this is not happening. All of this lies in the past. That's why I do not accept this succession. Catiz for me is not the Empress of the Empire Amarr. That is, for the sake of this we risk the heirs and to conduct the coronation but at the same time drifters still in Imperial space? Where is the logic ? Or temporary the government was confident that the drifters will not attack heirs and Catiz? If our heroes want to be closer to Sarum. I wish them luck. BUT.. Sometimes you have to forget about the "pride" and retreat to avoid further mistakes. Very strange. One, it can be argued that the Emancipation is also a political move to make the Republic look bad. If that's the intention, she has succeeded wonderfully. Second, the ritual suicide of the Heirs was never meant to remove all competitors to the Throne. All it does is wipe the slate clean, remove resentment (at least by theory) of current Heirs and let the next generation of Heirs take their place (no guarantees that grudges do not get passed down though). Of course, this is what's supposed to happen on paper. In practice, it's a different matter entirely. Finally, you forgot. This is the Amarr Empire, a nation so steeped in tradition that it tends to take milleniums for any kind of social change to happen, unless something really huge shook the nation (for example the Elder Fleet invasion, the Minmatar Rebellion, Vak'atioth, the Starkman Prime uprising, the encounter with the Gallente Federation, etc.). And no, the standing government is NOT confident that the Drifters will not attack the Heirs and Catiz. However, it still has to be done since during the times of war, there needs to be a leader and a rallying point. One does not brave a war without a Head of State. What did you think all that security is for? Not all traditions are good. Much needs to be changed. I will never accept that the Empress chose Capsuleers! That's why my brother was a faithful Empress Jamyl Sarum. It Jamyl Sarum even when she was the heiress of Sarum House raised the issue of cloning, not Catiz. That's it. At first it is necessary to establish order in the Empire. Securing the the Empire, and only then carry out succession with five heirs. By the way: Order Tetrimon - opposes leberalny views. Catiz is Leberalny look. Good luck with the performance of of the will Jamyl Sarum. Contradictions Ahahaha Especially for Hounds of Sarum: Sarum A Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
TheSmokingHertog Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium 435	Posted - 2016.10.26 09:46:53 - [31] - Quote Nice writeup. "Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X "Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron -= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Matar Ronin 2285	Posted - 2016.10.26 16:10:14 - [32] - Quote Morwen Lagann wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Lord Kailethre wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: Impressive numbers. Kudos to the participants and to all those whose previous flights have helped to establish such efficient methods of engagement. It's quite unlike you to be so unilaterally positive. What's happened? Simple, they posted a 71 to 1 kill to death ratio. (Probably a tad higher than 71 in fact) These pilots are the first to seriously kick Drifter asses. Drifters have shown up all over New Eden like they own the place. Today for perhaps the first time in a long time people all over New Eden can have hope that humans will prevail against the Drifters. Mark your Calendars and remember their names because this might be a date that is historic. The day humanity stopped just fighting back and started winning. So yes I am damn pleased about the excellent actions of these brave few pilots. All New Eden should be. I think you've forgotten about the entirety of the Defense of the Throne Worlds campaign. The numbers of Drifter vessels destroyed in last week's engagement are nothing compared to the sorties every night of that campaign. Pilot Lagann I do not agree with you. My opinion is that the skill and success of the most recent engagement is a historic achievement. I am not demanding everyone agree with me, although I think history will. The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why is can be claimed by all the people of New Eden. I am viewing this as a success for humans against invasion from beings that are not still human. I think that making this political is not something that will help rally all the people of New Eden against a universal threat. Again I do not demand everyone agree with me, it is my opinion that the "human pilots engaged versus the Drifters are better served by setting aside human vs. human political disputes for the duration of the fight". I will fly with those whom I might otherwise try to destroy but would certainly die/sacrifice any ship to protect fleet mates in the interest of defeating the Drifters, and I am pretty hardcore in my political positions. That is how important I think humans working together is. Again just my position and opinion. Although you might be able to compare the number of destroyed vessels I think the outstanding kill to death ratio by a small group of skilled pilots is something that stands out. I can not agree it is nothing, regardless of what you compare it to. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Morwen Lagann Tyrathlion Interstellar 1901	Posted - 2016.10.26 21:06:16 - [33] - Quote And as a participant in both the aforementioned campaign and in this particular fleet, just like Alizabeth - I'm going to state, from a position of knowledge and authority, that you, as someone external to the entire thing, are wrong about much of this where your opinions and assertions are concerned. Let's go down the line: 1) "The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden." With all due respect to Alizabeth, SERAPH is first and foremost an Amarr-centric outfit. It's even in the name - E for Empire, as in Amarr Empire. While similarly 'closed' in recruitment to what we internally referred to as the "Drifter Fight Club" during the Throne Worlds campaign, DFC was, in contrast, led and piloted in majority, by non-Amarr. I would have to go look through fleet rosters to check the exact demographics. (Which I can do, it'll just take some time. I'm rather busy dealing with a fair number of Drifters and Seekers on my doorstep today.) The fleet on Friday had, of its twelve combatants, three people who aren't really affiliated with the Empire. One was with the State. The other two were independents. Neither the Republic, nor the Federation, really, get to lay any claim to this 'victory'. The Throne Worlds campaign fleets, particularly the ones that I led, on the other hand, included pilots directly affiliated with the Federation and Republic, and therefore, actually could make that claim in some sense. 2) "[...] it is my opinion that the "human pilots engaged versus the Drifters are better served by setting aside human vs. human political disputes for the duration of the fight"." Similarly to the above, this does not really apply to Friday's operation. Everyone in that fleet was largely on the same "side" before taking Drifters into account. If you want examples of your opinion in action, for the moment you should be looking at ARC's fleets instead, which regularly have members of opposing militia in fleet together. Alizabeth can back me up on this: SERAPH's primary 'goal' is little more than just killing Drifters. It's not about cooperation, it's not about multiculturalism. It's about killing Drifters, full stop. 3) "Although you might be able to compare the number of destroyed vessels I think the outstanding kill to death ratio by a small group of skilled pilots is something that stands out. I can not agree it is nothing, regardless of what you compare it to." Even if we put the number of Drifters destroyed in a single sitting aside, under my command, the fleets in the Throne Worlds campaign lost fewer crew over a period of months than were aboard the one Svipul that was lost last Friday in SERAPH's fleet. Individual engagements in that campaign were against thirteen or fourteen Drifters at once. At most, Friday encountered three. If you want to give credit where credit is due, the breakthrough here is in the new fleet doctrine that was being tested more than it is in anything else. Everything else you suggest is a breakthrough, was accomplished months ago during the defense of the Throne Worlds. I would argue that Alizabeth's second point that we confirmed that the Drifters are still a threat isn't much of a breakthrough, since we had been given no indication they had stopped being a threat, but all things considered that is a rather minor quibble and I don't think she or I need to waste time fussing back and forth over it. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium Owner, The Golden Masque
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 968	Posted - 2016.10.26 23:28:25 - [34] - Quote I will take the time to write something more complete when I am not doing something more important that posting on the IGS, which is actually pretty far down my scale of things that matter. 1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter. 2: Mr. Ronin, next time, please just give the compliment. We will accept and everyone will be happy. There's no need to really politic this. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Kaaeliaa Tyrannos Sunset 96798	Posted - 2016.10.27 02:13:32 - [35] - Quote I don't want any politics or motives assigned to my destruction of Drifters aside from the fact that I want to destroy Drifters, everywhere they are. "Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.27 10:58:44 - [36] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: 1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter. Away from you conceal the the truth. It is unfortunate such as do not want to know her. So as soon as to you can uncover where Auctoritas. And what is written in the testament. It is unfortunate that the loyalists do not want to know anything, and accept the succession so easily. What about me. I do not recognize the Emperor / Empress which were crowned with the help of capsuleers. It is not God's choice. The choice of God in the history of Amarr was once. (And you know who have been chosen by God) Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1716	Posted - 2016.10.27 11:47:28 - [37] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Alizabeth Vea wrote: 1: Vollhov. No one doubts your devotion to Empress Jamyl. However, she's gone and I cannot change that. All I can do now is to keep moving forward how Empress Jamyl would want me to and how Empress Catiz does. Denying her legitimacy is a nonstarter. Away from you conceal the the truth. It is unfortunate such as do not want to know her. So as soon as to you can uncover where Auctoritas. And what is written in the testament. It is unfortunate that the loyalists do not want to know anything, and accept the succession so easily. What about me. I do not recognize the Emperor / Empress which were crowned with the help of capsuleers. It is not God's choice. The choice of God in the history of Amarr was once. (And you know who have been chosen by God) The trans-neural burner in her pod is deactivated. She's gone. Get over it. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Matar Ronin 2288	Posted - 2016.10.27 15:40:41 - [38] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: I will take the time to write something more complete when I am not doing something more important that posting on the IGS, which is actually pretty far down my scale of things that matter. 2: Mr. Ronin, next time, please just give the compliment. We will accept and everyone will be happy. There's no need to really politic this. Actually that is exactly what I did. I then responded to inquiries as to why I complimented the brave heroic actions I thought everyone should be proud of. I even said it should not be a political issue, even for a hardcore political person like myself. Pilot Vea please check my record in this thread. If saying humans fighting against Drifters is "Politics" then yes I said that. If saying all humans should be proud of the accomplishments of your small group of effective successful pilots is "Politics" then yes I said that. To be fair you should not admonish me when someone else takes offense to a generic non-political compliment I posted. In this particular case Most reasonable people would review my statements and find me not guilty of politics. Why do you need to admonish me for some reaction another pilot had to my compliments? It could even be viewed as you bowing to "Political" pressures to smack at anything I say, even when you understand the words not to be political. Is that because of me being a Matari? Do I not have both the right and responsibility to respond to a direct question posted when I choose to? Perhaps in the future you might want to include in the title of your threads "Amarr Supporters Only" so pilots who do not agree with that philosophy can choose in advance to not participate in or read the thread. Just my thoughts, not instructions. However since a pilot involved in the action has stated she wants to fight against "Drifters" in a politics free way you might have to tell everyone in the future that participation with your fleets is joining an Amarr Supporters Group. Just my thoughts, not instructions. Fleets and corps can be selective as to whom is allowed to participate and in which manner they can then do so, IGS not so much. You might want to consider that before telling people on IGS what to say and how they may say it. Just my thoughts, not instructions. Bottom line, the actions of a few brave and skilled pilots might have been the turning point in humans attitude towards the fight with the Drifters, many people feared them to be unstoppable after their quick destruction of a Titan Class Capital ship, your squadrons have proven them vulnerable to better skills and tactics. I stand behind saying that is something everyone can and should be proud of. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative Moist. 182	Posted - 2016.10.27 16:58:31 - [39] - Quote Is there uh . . . a reason we don't consider the Drifters to be human? Just curious.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 971	Posted - 2016.10.27 17:00:02 - [40] - Quote Matar Ronin wrote: The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden. This is actually what I objected too. All the people of New Eden have no claim on what me and mine do. As far as you being Matari, there was one in my fleet, so that is a nonstarter. Again, I appreciate the compliments and your happiness at our success. I am sure the rest of my pilots do as well. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Valerie Valate Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik 1733	Posted - 2016.10.27 17:00:34 - [41] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: Is there uh . . . a reason we don't consider the Drifters to be human? Just curious. Because it's easier to hate on them that way. Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Matar Ronin 2288	Posted - 2016.10.27 17:31:17 - [42] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Matar Ronin wrote: The fact that is was executed by more then just pilots from the empire is why it can be claimed by all the people of New Eden. This is actually what I objected too. All the people of New Eden have no claim on what me and mine do. As far as you being Matari, there was one in my fleet, so that is a nonstarter. Again, I appreciate the compliments and your happiness at our success. I am sure the rest of my pilots do as well. Pilot Vea It is I who appreciate what you and your pilots did, thank you for inspiring people, even if that was not your primary intention. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 971	Posted - 2016.10.27 17:45:01 - [43] - Quote Thank you. And if I did inspire people--there's always more Drifters to kill. I would love to see a taskforce set up by the Minmatar. Even the Gallente should get involved. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Matar Ronin 2288	Posted - 2016.10.27 17:47:29 - [44] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: Is there uh . . . a reason we don't consider the Drifters to be human? Just curious. The autopsies performed on "Drifters" have shown remarkable physiological differences from humans in the New Eden Cluster. That is why I question if they are still human, or if they ever were human. It has nothing to do with making it easier to "hate on them". Lost in the mists of history is the exact origin of humanity in the New Eden Cluster, did we originate in a different Eden Cluster on the far side of the EVE Gate? Were the "Drifters" the indigenous human like people of this side of the EVE Gate? Did the great downfall come as a result of ancient warfare between humans and "Drifters"? We have many questions that have not yet been answered. Exactly what the "Drifters" are is indeed one of them. GÇÿVain flame burns fast/and its lick is light/Modest flame lasts long/and burns to the bone.GÇÖ " We lost a war we chose not to fight." Without a doubt this is the best way to lose any war and the worst excuse to explain the beating afterwards.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.27 18:00:20 - [45] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: The trans-neural burner in her pod is deactivated. She's gone. Get over it. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W4cQQGjHKsM/VdqA8wY8ZDI/AAAAAAAACHU/260QvO2GwTI/s1600/Jamyl%2BLocation%2BUnedited.png Quote: "Her Imperial Majesty's life will stand eternal as an example for all who live truly and rightly within the embrace of Holy Amarr. The martyrdom of Empress Jamyl I was inflicted with base treachery but its lasting effect will be the inspiration of a thousand generations down the ages." Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 971	Posted - 2016.10.27 18:07:00 - [46] - Quote If. And let me emphasize if. If Empress Jamyl cloned and is currently out in New Eden somewhere, let her enjoy her peace. God knows she's earned it. If she is still alive, sitting on a high mountain peak, enjoying brisk, cold air and the snow, or whatever the True Amarr equivalent is, then that only strengthens my resolve. I would kill every single Drifter to ensure she can live her life in peace and comfort. Again. If. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 523	Posted - 2016.10.27 19:06:55 - [47] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: If. And let me emphasize if. If Empress Jamyl cloned and is currently out in New Eden somewhere, let her enjoy her peace. God knows she's earned it. If she is still alive, sitting on a high mountain peak, enjoying brisk, cold air and the snow, or whatever the True Amarr equivalent is, then that only strengthens my resolve. I would kill every single Drifter to ensure she can live her life in peace and comfort. Again. If. While I can very much sympathize with your desire to see our beloved Empress Jamyl alive, Sister, we must be mindful of our thoughts, lest we dishonor her memory. As much as we may want otherwise, she has again taken her rightful place next to the Lord in Paradise. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 112	Posted - 2016.10.27 19:08:39 - [48] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: If. And let me emphasize if. If Empress Jamyl cloned and is currently out in New Eden somewhere, let her enjoy her peace. God knows she's earned it. If she is still alive, sitting on a high mountain peak, enjoying brisk, cold air and the snow, or whatever the True Amarr equivalent is, then that only strengthens my resolve. I would kill every single Drifter to ensure she can live her life in peace and comfort. Again. If. For example: Pomik Haromi - Surprising man can be in two places at once. In the courtyard and on the station Sharhelund VIII - Moon 5 - Sarum Family Assembly Plant That's who should rule the Empire P.s From time to time I will always remind you of Jamyl Sarum. Since "a reminder of her" this is the will of my brother. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 972	Posted - 2016.10.27 19:22:47 - [49] - Quote I know, my Lady. And frankly, Paradise is nothing less than she deserves. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Mitara Newelle PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 525	Posted - 2016.10.27 19:37:52 - [50] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: For example: Pomik Haromi - Surprising man can be in two places at once. In the courtyard and on the station Sharhelund VIII - Moon 5 - Sarum Family Assembly Plant That's who should rule the Empire What in God's name are you rambling on about now? Vollhov Jr wrote: P.s From time to time I will always remind you of Jamyl Sarum. Since "a reminder of her" this is the will of my brother. Empress Jamyl Sarum has no need of you to 'remind' the Faithful of her, she will forever be with us. Lady Mitara Newelle of House Sarum, Holder of the Mekhios province of Damnidios Para'nashu, Champion of House Sarum, Sworn Upholder of the Faith, Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade Admiral of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.27 20:19:58 - [51] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: For example: Pomik Haromi - Surprising man can be in two places at once. In the courtyard and on the station Sharhelund VIII - Moon 5 - Sarum Family Assembly Plant That's who should rule the Empire What in God's name are you rambling on about now? . Nothing. I just admire this man. Not everyone can be in two places at once Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Persephone Alleile Nocx Initiative Moist. 183	Posted - 2016.10.27 20:31:40 - [52] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Not everyone can be in two places at once Indeed, CONCORD has laws against that sort of thing.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.27 21:52:20 - [53] - Quote Persephone Alleile wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Not everyone can be in two places at once Indeed, CONCORD has laws against that sort of thing. FTL (Local chat) for capsuleers (created specially CONCORD), that there did Catiz during the coronation? It capsuleer? Sorry that's another topic. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1719	Posted - 2016.10.28 01:17:35 - [54] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Persephone Alleile wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Not everyone can be in two places at once Indeed, CONCORD has laws against that sort of thing. FTL (Local chat) for capsuleers (created specially CONCORD), that there did Catiz during the coronation? It capsuleer? Sorry that's another topic. Anyone who has access to Galnet and a communicator linked to the fluid router network can speak in Local. The only issue is that the tech is usually darn expensive. Which is nothing for an Empress. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 974	Posted - 2016.10.28 02:17:03 - [55] - Quote Empress Catiz is so rich that when God needs a loan, He calls her. (Am I allowed to make that joke?) Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1721	Posted - 2016.10.28 02:20:33 - [56] - Quote Alizabeth Vea wrote: Empress Catiz is so rich that when God needs a loan, He calls her. (Am I allowed to make that joke?) I can actually see that happening. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1721	Posted - 2016.10.28 02:31:12 - [57] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: The trans-neural burner in her pod is deactivated. She's gone. Get over it. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-W4cQQGjHKsM/VdqA8wY8ZDI/AAAAAAAACHU/260QvO2GwTI/s1600/Jamyl%2BLocation%2BUnedited.png Quote: "Her Imperial Majesty's life will stand eternal as an example for all who live truly and rightly within the embrace of Holy Amarr. The martyrdom of Empress Jamyl I was inflicted with base treachery but its lasting effect will be the inspiration of a thousand generations down the ages." Have you actually search the 'People and Places' directory to confirm that this is not an imposter? Also, let it be known that the directory is not always up to date. Heck, I wager that if I am to go up to a locator agent right now with a fistful of ISK and ask him or her to locate Karin Midular, who is NOT a capsuleer, he/she will find Karin Midular, despite the fact that Karin Midular is dead. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.28 03:22:00 - [58] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Persephone Alleile wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Not everyone can be in two places at once Indeed, CONCORD has laws against that sort of thing. FTL (Local chat) for capsuleers (created specially CONCORD), that there did Catiz during the coronation? It capsuleer? Sorry that's another topic. Anyone who has access to Galnet and a communicator linked to the fluid router network can speak in Local. The only issue is that the tech is usually darn expensive. Which is nothing for an Empress. Error. Not anyone. And only Capsuleers. It is in this neural network. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.28 03:27:37 - [59] - Quote Mitara Newelle wrote: Empress Jamyl Sarum has no need of you to 'remind' the Faithful of her, she will forever be with us. Then the I have to disappoint you, you have forgotten one date. Maybe the Order of Jamyl remind all. 20th September. It is a pity that all of were busy killing of true Amarr Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1721	Posted - 2016.10.28 03:37:39 - [60] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Persephone Alleile wrote: Vollhov Jr wrote: Not everyone can be in two places at once Indeed, CONCORD has laws against that sort of thing. FTL (Local chat) for capsuleers (created specially CONCORD), that there did Catiz during the coronation? It capsuleer? Sorry that's another topic. Anyone who has access to Galnet and a communicator linked to the fluid router network can speak in Local. The only issue is that the tech is usually darn expensive. Which is nothing for an Empress. Error. Not anyone. And only Capsuleers. It is in this neural network. Nope. The fluid router network exists OUTSIDE the neural network for ages. How did you think the Empires and their Executors communicate with each other in distances measured in light years? The only problem is that us independent Capsuleers are constantly connected to Local while the others can choose when to access the public Local network and when to just stick to private channels. Just try it with Jacus Roden, the President of the Gallente Federation. He is Capsuleer. Just get a Locator Agent to find where he is currently living in and go to his system and see if he is on Local. He isn't. Because unlike the rest of us, he can choose when he doesn't want to be in Local. Empress Catiz, being a very important figure that she is (and fabulously rich, by the way, even without counting on the financial power of the entirety of the Empire) can access Local whenever she pleases. Nobody is going to deny her that privilege. A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.28 11:19:06 - [61] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: Nope. The fluid router network exists OUTSIDE the neural network for ages. How did you think the Empires and their Executors communicate with each other in distances measured in light years? The only problem is that us independent Capsuleers are constantly connected to Local while the others can choose when to access the public Local network and when to just stick to private channels. Just try it with Jacus Roden, the President of the Gallente Federation. He is Capsuleer. Just get a Locator Agent to find where he is currently living in and go to his system and see if he is on Local. He isn't. Because unlike the rest of us, he can choose when he doesn't want to be in Local. Empress Catiz, being a very important figure that she is (and fabulously rich, by the way, even without counting on the financial power of the entirety of the Empire) can access Local whenever she pleases. Nobody is going to deny her that privilege. Catiz - -íapsuleer Only Ardishapur Family do not show "Sacred Flesh Doctrine" You can not cheat the system Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Elmund Egivand Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 1722	Posted - 2016.10.28 11:25:24 - [62] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: Nope. The fluid router network exists OUTSIDE the neural network for ages. How did you think the Empires and their Executors communicate with each other in distances measured in light years? The only problem is that us independent Capsuleers are constantly connected to Local while the others can choose when to access the public Local network and when to just stick to private channels. Just try it with Jacus Roden, the President of the Gallente Federation. He is Capsuleer. Just get a Locator Agent to find where he is currently living in and go to his system and see if he is on Local. He isn't. Because unlike the rest of us, he can choose when he doesn't want to be in Local. Empress Catiz, being a very important figure that she is (and fabulously rich, by the way, even without counting on the financial power of the entirety of the Empire) can access Local whenever she pleases. Nobody is going to deny her that privilege. Catiz - -íapsuleer Only Ardishapur Family do not show "Sacred Flesh Doctrine" You can not cheat the system You do realise that back in the day when we had clone mercenaries around they also show up in local, right? Do you consider them capsuleers? A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 115	Posted - 2016.10.28 11:39:47 - [63] - Quote Elmund Egivand wrote: You do realise that back in the day when we had clone mercenaries around they also show up in local, right? Do you consider them capsuleers? If "Local 'them considers as the capsuleer. So they Capsuleers. But if they are not visible in the "Local" but they send messages, it is another matter. (Look different tasks Example: Amarr Epic) It's funny that nobody has recollected that Catiz yet myself cloned. That was long ago, oh how long ago. Empress Jamyl I Coronation/Eve Online Gallery/Token of Submission
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2895	Posted - 2016.10.28 15:29:12 - [64] - Quote Vollhov Jr wrote: Elmund Egivand wrote: You do realise that back in the day when we had clone mercenaries around they also show up in local, right? Do you consider them capsuleers? If "Local 'them considers as the capsuleer. So they Capsuleers. But if they are not visible in the "Local" but they send messages, it is another matter. (Look different tasks Example: Amarr Epic) It's funny that nobody has recollected that Catiz yet myself cloned. That was long ago, oh how long ago. Mr. Volhov, I would like to point out at an obvious discrepancy and ignorance of the tribal you are conversing with. When clone mercenaries were appearing in local, they were listed not as 'Capsuleers', that was shown on your NeoCom screen, but under 'Infantry' icon (that is to the right of it - there you can see number 0 of them). Thus this whole question of Egivand was erroneous from the start. Please take extreme caution when discussing matters with this tribal. Or better - just ignore him completely. Of course I can't say anything about Her Majesty Catiz I and would prefer to avoid the comment on this matter and won't stay on either side. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Alizabeth Vea Hounds of Sarum 976	Posted - 2016.10.28 17:58:48 - [65] - Quote Lina Ambre wrote: In illustration of the importance of capsuleer efforts against the Drifters, the DED's Genesis Fleet command has commended the efforts of such capsuleer groups as the Arataka Research Consortium (ARC) and the Special Empire Response for the Assault and Penetration of Hives (SERAPH). A recent engagement between capsuleers associated with SERAPH and a combined Circadian Seeker and Drifter tactical group resulted in the destruction of more than 20 Seekers and 50 Drifter vessels in the Sazre system. SERAPH associate Morwen Lagann had some days earlier placed an Astrahus-class citadel in close proximity to the Jove Observatory in Sazre, to observe Seeker and Drifter activity. Imagery supplied by Lagann indicates Seeker investigation and engagement with the citadel. SERAPH commander Alizabeth Vea has suggested that Drifter activity in the system is a direct response to the citadel's proximity to the observatory, although this has not been confirmed by DED intelligence's Drifter analysis group. I will post this here as well. Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum. "Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I Virtue. Valor. Victory.

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