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Oventoasted Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.25 18:46:00 - [1] can being a freighter pilot in empire make you isk trading? kinda always wondered this. dont hear many post from freighter pilots soo... not sure what to think.
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:06:00 - [2] I don't know but your sig roxx ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Dravin Dread	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:09:00 - [3] Probably not since they are now back on the radar of every suicide squad out there.
Phoenix Lord The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Dravin Dread Probably not since they are now back on the radar of every suicide squad out there. Er suicide squad? Can you imagine how many ships would be needed to instapop a freighter :\| Arrow Capital Ship Sales
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Dravin Dread Probably not since they are now back on the radar of every suicide squad out there. Looks like my freighter char needs a wingman now, who pops the cans in case of such an attack. lol And if suicide attacks on freighters become regular, it's about time that there are no insurance payouts for suiciders / criminally flagged people anymore.
Oventoasted Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Esurnir I don't know but your sig roxx ty and how can you have a suicide squad in empire? wont concord wtfbbqpwn them before they even get through the shields?
flameangel	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:18:00 - [7] How the HELL could you suicide kill a freighter in highsec? Has anyone done this? I very much doubt it
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:19:00 - [8] Yes they did. Outbreak was first and just few threads ago someone said Privateers killed one too. _________ Buying/Selling: Implants & Hardwirings Producing/BPCs: Mining Barges, T2 Components T2 Distribution: 8 regions covered
Ben Booley Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:20:00 - [9] It's been done, I think it took 18 or 20 domis.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 25/03/2007 19:18:12 wrong button

Oventoasted Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Robacz Yes they did. Outbreak was first and just few threads ago someone said Privateers killed one too. was it even worth the ships lost to accomplish the task? or is it a fear factor thing "we do it because we can"?
flameangel	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:21:00 - [12] And you're sure it wasn't a war target? Must have been some nice loot to sacrifice 20 domis.
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Esurnir I don't know but your sig roxx could be better, still 59bytes available of it :-) BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:21:00 - [14] Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 25/03/2007 19:18:19 H8 everyone who posted between my post and when I entered the thread
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Dravin Dread Probably not since they are now back on the radar of every suicide squad out there. Er suicide squad? Can you imagine how many ships would be needed to instapop a freighter :\| Yes. 26 Battleships.
flameangel	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:30:00 - [16] Can someone link to the video of this? Can't find it
Ishara Da'Ahn Amarr Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:32:00 - [17] Edited by: Ishara Da''Ahn on 25/03/2007 19:29:41 /me waves hand, "This is the movie you are looking for." Ask, and ye shall receive!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:33:00 - [18] Quote: And you're sure it wasn't a war target? No, it was a retaliation for a scam. Far as I know there was no loot, as it was before the loot drop change.
MuadChef Amarr Fate.	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:34:00 - [19] lol.. Outbreak was making a point.. Same as Privateers. Remember freighters dont drop loot.. so you would gain nothing financially.. Only make the target loose out financially. Or morally.. But it would be totally worthless for someone to gank a freighter in empire unless they had a specific target. It isnt the same as ganking a hauler with a bs, where the loss is 100mil for example but the profit could be billions (dependant on cargo).. Fate Corp
Oventoasted Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Ishara Da'Ahn Edited by: Ishara Da''Ahn on 25/03/2007 19:29:41 /me waves hand, "This is the movie you are looking for." Ask, and ye shall receive! but they were at war with each other. soo it doesn't mean that a freighter can be killed by a band of BS's in empire.

Apsa1ar Ex Coelis	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:37:00 - [21] Originally by: Oventoasted but they were at war with each other. soo it doesn't mean that a freighter can be killed by a band of BS's in empire. No, they weren't. The freighter pilot was in a noob corp. And MuadChef, freighters drop loot now.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Soporo on 25/03/2007 19:34:40 Quote: but they were at war with each other. soo it doesn't mean that a freighter can be killed by a band of BS's in empire. Of course it can, didnt you watch the video? They got concordokkend because it wasnt a wartarget, yet they still maaged to kill the Transport. I'm talking the Outbreak Op. Amazing, actually.
flameangel	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:41:00 - [23] Daaaaaamn impressive video
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.25 19:42:00 - [24] It wasn't nice loot. It was 20-25 battleships fitted for one purpose. Something like this on a domi. 6x tech1 blaster with antimatter few tech1 shield extenders few damage mods if you want few 1600 plates 5 ogres The total loss of everything when you blow up is maybe 80 mil + 20 mil for insurance = 100 mil ISK lost. Insurance pays back ~70 mil.. so you end up ~30 mil down for each BS you lost. 25 BS x 30 mil lost per ------ 750 mil to kill a freighter It is very common for freighters to have 2-5++ bil isk in goods on them so 5 bill ISK goods 700 isk freighter loss ------ 5.7 bil total loss So for 750 mil, you did 5.7 bil damage to your enemy. This is assuming NO loot is recovered. If half the loot survives and is scooped.. you made back 2.5 bil, meaning your suicide had a net profit of 1.75 billion ISK. So with freighters dropping loot, this is DEFINITELY a real possibility for people to start doing. Hopefully CCP will do something about this, but either making concord response faster in high sec, or refusing insurance payouts on those criminally flagged. Either one of these would take care of the situation, but it does need some love.
Humpalot	Posted - 2007.03.25 20:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Tunajuice So for 750 mil, you did 5.7 bil damage to your enemy. This is assuming NO loot is recovered. If half the loot survives and is scooped.. you made back 2.5 bil, meaning your suicide had a net profit of 1.75 billion ISK. So with freighters dropping loot, this is DEFINITELY a real possibility for people to start doing. Hopefully CCP will do something about this, but either making concord response faster in high sec, or refusing insurance payouts on those criminally flagged. Either one of these would take care of the situation, but it does need some love. Not quite so good as it looks at first. Not only do you need 25 battleship pilots you'll need a bunch of haulers on standby. A full freighter may drop somewhere in the vicinity of 450K m3 of loot. A fully pimped Iteron-V can haul a bit more than 50k so you'd need 9 of them and frankly most people don't have Iterons maxed quite that well so likely more. Further, if you do this in a place like Jita everyone and their mother will dogpile on the freighter wreck. IIRC taking from the wreck flags you to the freighter pilot so the gank squad can't stop these people without more CONCORDOKKEN (and of course there is no 50 CONCORD flying nearby so that would happen right fast). Now you are in the neighborhood of 35-40 people. If the freighter drops ships you'll need pilots to fly them off. I am pretty sure all the pilots who just got killed by CONCORD are still flagged and will get killed if they jump in a ship. So you need people in shuttles nearby to eject and grab ships and hope whatever drops they can fly. If it is just your 40 pilots and if you get the loot you suggest divided up each person gets 43,750,000 ISK for the day's work. Pretty good but likely you won't get all the loot anyway. 40 people is a lot of people to gather together to camp a gate too.
Removal Tool Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.03.25 20:12:00 - [26] That vid Rocks!!!!!! 1. Nothing needs to be done to prevent such a thing from happening (look at the lengths or research and co-ordination that op took to achieve) 2. CCP should instead USE THAT VID as a marketing tool, as it shows what can be done in the game.
Veto1024	Posted - 2007.03.25 20:27:00 - [27] It's called "High-security", not "Total Security".
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.03.25 20:43:00 - [28] I'd just like to point out that you only get a limited amount of loot from a freighter kill. So say T2 ships don't fit in wrecks. No point in killing a freighter full of them. --- You can make isk in NCP trade goods with Freighter, but it isn't very interesting and profit levels are kinda low compared to say mission running in a 1bil BS (equivelant cost). Also getting enough volume can be tricky. I have a freighter a). because it is generally useful b). because charon looks sooo damn cool When CCP invent the small freighter, there will be much less demand for the bigger ones, since most of the time I don't come close to filling my freighter Khaldari Research Services BPO Shop KPA Recruiting!
Oventoasted Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.03.25 21:12:00 - [29] Edited by: Oventoasted on 25/03/2007 21:09:14 wow nice vid. poor domies but the question still stands. can you make isk as a freighter pilot trading or hauling stuff in empire?
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.03.25 21:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Oventoasted but the question still stands. can you make isk as a freighter pilot trading or hauling stuff in empire? Originally by: Spoon Thumb You can make isk in NCP trade goods with Freighter, but it isn't very interesting and profit levels are kinda low compared to say mission running in a 1bil BS (equivelant cost). Also getting enough volume can be tricky. Khaldari Research Services BPO Shop KPA Recruiting!



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