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Trisae	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:32:00 - [1] I am thinking about training assault frig, but all I read from people with them is that they are pretty useless novelty toys, good for tanking NPCs and not much else. So, do you use them for anything better? Need boosting? 4th bonus/mass reduction?
Fswd	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:40:00 - [2] Frigates suck for pvp as well, do they need a boost too? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Trisae	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:51:00 - [3] Originally by: Fswd Frigates suck for pvp as well, do they need a boost too? Sorry what? Did you read the OP?
Veritas Falx	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:55:00 - [4] If you pvp in a frigate use an inty, their insane speed insures that few things can hit them. Assualt Ships are mainly just used for that skill, because it is a req for alot of tech II ships.
Draxxxion GIT-R-DUN Southern Connection	Posted - 2007.03.26 09:59:00 - [5] I use a wolf for solo pvp,nice little ship to fly,can tank just about any ship. Very fun.And with Autocannons it puts out a fairly good amount of DPS.
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.03.26 10:02:00 - [6] Several assault frigs are highly usefull for getting tackleing frigs off friendly battleships. The jag is very nice with a passive sheild tank. They're not a total waste to train for and use.
Venkhar Krard	Posted - 2007.03.26 10:03:00 - [7] I love my jag for some low sec pirating and for heavy tackling in 0.0.
Pellaeon DuGalle Caldari Deep Black Industries	Posted - 2007.03.26 10:03:00 - [8] I rat in 0.0 using an AF. In a week or so of training I should be able to take out any BS rat I come across. ------------------- "There is one rule for the industrialist and that is: Make the best quality of goods possible at the lowest cost possible, paying the highest wages possible."
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.03.26 10:04:00 - [9] Edited by: Marquis Dean on 26/03/2007 10:00:15 Assault frigate are fantastic imo, I frequently fly one of both my chars at the same time, 250 combined dps and they both field a mean tank. In summary: Retribution: fearsome tank, good dps, not enough midslots (1) Vengeance: very good tank, good dps, a bit slow but 3 midslots, which is good. Jaguar: 4 midslots, decent damage but not really tankable if you want to tackle. Wolf: Slightly unbalanced armortank (92.5% base EM resist!!) but 4 loslots makes it happen, also good if you want to speedtank it (I do), good damage, and all weapons are capless. Hawk: not so good for PvP, slightly weak dps but a good tank and with 2 sensor boosters, has 2000+ sig resolution, the ultimate podkiller. Harpy: decent sniper but lacks dps using rails, unlike with blasters where the damage is devastating, excellent base shield resists mean it's easy to tank with just 1 midslot used (base resists: 0/60/70/80). My blaster Harpy does 152 dps! Enyo: good damage but a bit slow and heavy, and is generally underused when compared to the Ishkur. Ishkur: bags of dps, as it has blasters and a big drone bay, very versatile, although still quite slow. I use a Vengeance/Blarpy duo, and they have served me very well so far, especially in small gang actions when everyone else is in BCs and such, where the speed and fast lock of my a.frigs is appreciated. --- Originally by: [email protected] Trolling Hi, Marquis Dean You are receiving this notice in regard to the post below... So deal with it.
Bangoura Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 10:38:00 - [10] My alt runs missions in a Hawk and has no problems with L3's, not tried L4's yet but will do. Wouldn't pvp in it tho, I pvp in Stilletto/Crow.
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 11:31:00 - [11] Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. Quote: Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.26 11:36:00 - [12] Originally by: DiuxDium Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. You forgot the Vengeance proly the best alpha strike tackler since it can take a **load of dmg Originally by:** Verone The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.26 11:36:00 - [13] Jaguar! You can tank almost any ratting BS (Yes, even a domi if he/she only has heavy drones), and can break any ratting BS tank! Its magnifficetn ship! Fit with ACs and you're set up. Orbit at 500m. Even tho if you get webbed you will prolly not be able to tank all of em, but prolly be able to warp out. It cheap and works very well. Its like minivaga. Here is my setup: 3x 150mm II, salvager (I have no ideas what else to fit onto it :D, nothing else really fits) 2x med shield extender best named, warp scram, MWD micro aux x2, gyro II No rigs as they cost too much atm. Might want to fit damage rig tho, Or a shield amount one. http://images.filecloud.com/225198/WCS.jpg Please reduce the file size to less than 24000 bytes. -Cyrano Proud member of FI
Denrace Amarr J.H.E.N.R Pure.	Posted - 2007.03.26 11:45:00 - [14] Edited by: Denrace on 26/03/2007 11:41:55 A Retribution with Medium Beam II's (yes, they are small guns) can reach Dmg Mod x9/ROF 2 seconds and with the TII crystals it can very nicely do that damage all the way to 30km+ And with a full slave set and rigs, its possible to hit nearly 15K armor on it! However, dont expect to tackle anything or move very fast Den ________________________________________ Holder of 21 Hobo Points. See my bio for info
Arx Impera Amarr Gr0und Zer0	Posted - 2007.03.26 12:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Denrace Edited by: Denrace on 26/03/2007 11:41:55 A Retribution with Medium Beam II's (yes, they are small guns) can reach Dmg Mod x9/ROF 2 seconds and with the TII crystals it can very nicely do that damage all the way to 30km+ And with a full slave set and rigs, its possible to hit nearly 15K armor on it! However, dont expect to tackle anything or move very fast Den AFs like this, the "no-mids" AFs, really shine when used as they are meant to be... Anti Tacklers in gangs or PvE. For the OP, AFs are also great for small roaming gangs of friends, since they are very mobile, pack a punch and in most cases, a nasty tank, so 3-5 of these together can whale down battleships on a regular basis. If people pirate in a rifter, you sure as hell can bet they can in a AF. ...who of course promptly went bat****, flipped out and killed some people.
DiuxDium Loot Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:19:00 - [16] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: DiuxDium Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. You forgot the Vengeance proly the best alpha strike tackler since it can take a **load of dmg Alpha strike really doesn't terrify me when it comes from a frigate, sorry. Especially not EM damage. The slot layout on the Veng is decent, the bonuses are not. I've never actually flown in combat with a veng though, in fact, I don't know a single person who flies the veng regularly. While I know dozens upon dozens who fly Ishkurs, and especially Jaguars all the time. Quote:** Also, he didnt even have a Scrambler, so the POS would have gotten away anyway.
Iteken Hotori Minmatar GTE Corp Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:00:00 - [17] defiantely. AF gangs are lethal. mixed AF / Inty gangs are are just rude. imho they shine in low-sec / piracy / ratting / exploration. Warning: May contain flaming, trolling, swearing, typos, crimes against grammar, obscure reference to old films, in jokes, rambling, ranting and references to EvE.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:55:00 - [18] I fly Amarr AFs, but I don't use them much since I can fly a Harbinger pretty effectively now. I although the Ret puts out good DPS, it's slow as hell with an AB on, and a MWD will mean you will have to downgrade your guns. I'd like to fit beams on it to maximise its bonuses, but they just don't fit right. As for the Vengeance, well FLAMING When you can't think of logical arguments and are too dumb to STFU
Depp Knight Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.26 15:40:00 - [19] They do need a speed increase. Just a bit you know. Like 2.5k/sec with mwd. Ceptor still goes around 4k/sec so they still get a strong chance to flee, but AF are just a tad to slow. Especially when hacs like the zealot, deimos etc gets the speeds that a af gets.
Vegetto Ichikai Caldari Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:00:00 - [20] I'm not a fan of the big ships, like BS's, i like to be a bit different. I've trained interceptors and close to interdictors, and have just trained for assault frigs. I'm hoping the caldari AF's act as an all-rounder frig, but mixed reviews at the moment. Definately think i'll have to train up my gunnery skills it seems.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Depp Knight They do need a speed increase. Just a bit you know. Like 2.5k/sec with mwd. Ceptor still goes around 4k/sec so they still get a strong chance to flee, but AF are just a tad to slow. Especially when hacs like the zealot, deimos etc gets the speeds that a af gets. QFT. My Ishkur with mwd can barely keep up with a Thorax. Agility is crap too. Just feels weird for such a small ship. I prefer Taranis over Ishkur/Enyo any day. Minnie AFs seem popular though.
Vegetto Ichikai Caldari Point-Zero Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Depp Knight They do need a speed increase. Just a bit you know. Like 2.5k/sec with mwd. Ceptor still goes around 4k/sec so they still get a strong chance to flee, but AF are just a tad to slow. Especially when hacs like the zealot, deimos etc gets the speeds that a af gets. QFT. My Ishkur with mwd can barely keep up with a Thorax. Agility is crap too. Just feels weird for such a small ship. I prefer Taranis over Ishkur/Enyo any day. Minnie AFs seem popular though. Heard interdictors are the same: crap agility and quite a bit of mass. Shame really as i'm specced for the T2 frigs now lol, i'm totally gimped
Morreia The Celestial Element	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:03:00 - [23] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: DiuxDium Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. You forgot the Vengeance proly the best alpha strike tackler since it can take a ****load of dmg Alpha strike really doesn't terrify me when it comes from a frigate, sorry. Especially not EM damage. How bout when if the pilot is lucky that alpha strike can turn out to be 1.2k of damage . Maybe higher with really really uber skills although not sure.
Goewyn Ravenclaw Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:56:00 - [24] Just play around with them. I've had AF skill since it came out. took it to 5 and for missions up to level 3 they are so much more fun than anything else. PvP you just need to use your imagination a bit more, though I've not got the gunnery skills to make use of lasers the punisher with ac's is fairly good as you can field a great little tank. Soon as I can use lasers effectively I'll be playing around with the amarrian ones but so far they are my fave little ships :) ______________________________ A closed mouth inserts no foot
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.03.26 17:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Trisae I am thinking about training assault frig, but all I read from people with them is that they are pretty useless novelty toys, good for tanking NPCs and not much else. So, do you use them for anything better? Need boosting? 4th bonus/mass reduction? I use my retribution to rat with,the vengeance is pretty nice for pvp...As for tank?Frigs dont tank,those resists are there as either a delay or a safety net...Unless your ratting... AFs for pvp would probably include enyo iskur jag wolf(kinda gang pvp) vengeance harpy(not the first choice on the list) hawk(this one isnt either) I tend to like the vengeance iskur or the jag. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr. I am minmatar,fly amarr,use gellente drones and am in caldari space.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.26 18:24:00 - [26] Originally by: Denrace Edited by: Denrace on 26/03/2007 11:41:55 A Retribution with Medium Beam II's (yes, they are small guns) can reach Dmg Mod x9/ROF 2 seconds and with the TII crystals it can very nicely do that damage all the way to 30km+ And with a full slave set and rigs, its possible to hit nearly 15K armor on it! However, dont expect to tackle anything or move very fast Den how do you cram 4 medium beams onto a retribution with a propulsion mod and and heat sinks? 4x MBII SB MAPC/Co-proc/3x heat sinks? Seems like a waste to me, might as well run a coercer with dual lights[More DPS, better tracking, less training for that damage and tracking] and plate it. Use pulses, you hit 15km optimal with the Medium Pulses and can fit a rep and afterburner on. Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: DiuxDium Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. You forgot the Vengeance proly the best alpha strike tackler since it can take a ****load of dmg Alpha strike really doesn't terrify me when it comes from a frigate, sorry. Especially not EM damage. The slot layout on the Veng is decent, the bonuses are not. I've never actually flown in combat with a veng though, in fact, I don't know a single person who flies the veng regularly. While I know dozens upon dozens who fly Ishkurs, and especially Jaguars all the time. The vengeance also has terrible alpha strike. It only has 3 guns. I think he is refering to the Retribution or the Jaguar/Wolf. The Rertri with Medium Pulses can put out about 500[550 with implants] Damage in an alpha, which isnt that impressive, but it will come every 1.9 seconds. And the Wolf can, with Arties, stick out some very impressive alpha[double damage bonus, 4 guns, 3 dmg in the lows]. Actauly looking at it again. He is refering to the ability of the vengeance to absorb alpha strike. Which is definitly true. Since it has plenty of PG for a 400mm RT plate and is most resistant against the damage types that high alpha ships typically throw[exp] My veng tackler runs with NOS/NOS/NOS ABII, Web/Scram SARII/400mm rt/DC/energized thermal Though it should probably look like NOS/NOS MWD/web/scram 400mm RT/DC/Eanm/Energized thermal or similar[or run the rep offline and drop the EANM. I get about 2250 armor which isnt nearly bad on a frigate for tackling. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
Hasak Rain Amarr	Posted - 2007.03.26 20:21:00 - [27] I saw some Vengeances selling for 8 million a piece in Heimater last night. That is about as much as you would pay for a top tier T1 Cruiser so they are pretty cheap and almost disposable depending on how rich you are. Wolf/Jag cost a bit more but probably because they are more popular and Minmater ships in general are more expensive than Amarr's. Incidentally, Omens are selling for only 4 mill a piece, Once the Amarr boost comes, these prices will probably go up so I would train Amarr and buy and train to fly some of these ships. Training Amarr should be a good long term investment.
Cherab Minmatar The Marathon Order	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:07:00 - [28] Originally by: Hasak Rain Once the Amarr boost comes, these prices will probably go up so I would train Amarr and buy and train to fly some of these ships. Training Amarr should be a good long term investment. Bah you wish Amarr will still suck. =) --------------------------------------------------- Regarding nerfs & boosts: Nerf rocks, paper is fine /Scissors
Kloro Draz Gallente Ex Coelis	Posted - 2007.03.26 23:52:00 - [29] I've seen packs of t1 frigs destroy battleships like piranha eating cows. Assault ships can keep that from happening. OTOH, that's why said packs of frigs will often call AFs as primary, so it's a double-edged sword.
Savros Hunturas Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.27 00:36:00 - [30] wow, out of this whole bloody thread there isnt even a hint or a taste or mention at that of the ship that literally chants the name Assault Frigate. The Harpy!!! Ok to the Op, the AF class ship is designed as an all out anti frigate and intercepter killer. Some ships do it better than others. The Harpy is the god of long range. This little bugger can decimate any frigate in a 90km range. No other frigate can do that. As as to the original question, hell ya i fly and AF. even in fleet fights they are comepletely usefull. they are tough little buggers and they dont go down without a heavy fight. In pvp your main role is to drop the enemy inty's asap and that is what you will do. ever 4 volly a crow? you will in a harpy, and trust me when i see it feels good.

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