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General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines Miners With Attitude	Posted - 2007.03.27 17:54:00 - [31] Originally by: DiuxDium Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: DiuxDium Harpy, Ishkur, Wolf, Jaguar, (sometimes hawk). Are all awesome ships. You forgot the Vengeance proly the best alpha strike tackler since it can take a **load of dmg Alpha strike really doesn't terrify me when it comes from a frigate, sorry. Especially not EM damage. The slot layout on the Veng is decent, the bonuses are not. I've never actually flown in combat with a veng though, in fact, I don't know a single person who flies the veng regularly. While I know dozens upon dozens who fly Ishkurs, and especially Jaguars all the time. I man it can go in first and take the enemy gang alpha strike like be the first to scrm the primary Originally by:** Verone The day I go Anti-Pirate is the day satan shall be ice skating to work.
icechip Caldari Crazy 88's O X I D E	Posted - 2007.03.27 20:04:00 - [32] If you can hit a target w/ a harpy at 90K what is your setup? That be freaking sweet, orbit at 90k lmao www.crazy88scorp.info(work in progress) PM me if you would like your Corp to have there own Forums <b>10 million SP and still cant fly nothing</b>
Jonathan Xavier Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 20:33:00 - [33] Originally by: icechip If you can hit a target w/ a harpy at 90K what is your setup? That be freaking sweet, orbit at 90k lmao As another Snarpy pilot my setup: High: 4x 150mm Railgun II Mid: 1x Sensor Booster II, 1x F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, 2x Tracking Computer II Low: 1x Tracking Enhancer II, 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Hits out at 90km with Spike S and does good damage too :)
Savros Hunturas Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.28 03:12:00 - [34] Originally by: Jonathan Xavier Originally by: icechip If you can hit a target w/ a harpy at 90K what is your setup? That be freaking sweet, orbit at 90k lmao As another Snarpy pilot my setup: High: 4x 150mm Railgun II Mid: 1x Sensor Booster II, 1x F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, 2x Tracking Computer II Low: 1x Tracking Enhancer II, 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Hits out at 90km with Spike S and does good damage too :) Thats almost exactly what i use, except i still keep a SB II in my mids no matter what.
Savros Hunturas Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.28 03:12:00 - [35] Edited by: Savros Hunturas on 28/03/2007 03:10:18 Originally by: icechip If you can hit a target w/ a harpy at 90K what is your setup? That be freaking sweet, orbit at 90k lmao its pretty simeple m8. and yes it is nice. in fleet fights is where you are the most valuble. And its a fairly common set up.
Mr Breakfast	Posted - 2007.03.28 05:43:00 - [36] Does the Vengeance completely suck or will it be useful with the proper skills? Would I be better off just flying a Gallente AF in PVP?
Acinonyx Jubatus International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.03.28 07:01:00 - [37] Yes, I use them, heck I had to live out of one for awhile about a month or two ago.
Nhoj Sllew Amarr Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.03.28 07:18:00 - [38] vengeance can be pretty rocking if you use it right. hints: It ain't a dps boat so use beams It isn't fast so either use an ab and 20km scram or just 2 20kms you have low slots to tank with, use them and its cheap to boot! i've tanked 3 other afs while tackling in a fleet fight with one of these. i couldn't kill them but i survived long enough for others to do that for me
Jonathan Xavier Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.28 22:59:00 - [39] Originally by: Savros Hunturas Originally by: Jonathan Xavier Originally by: icechip If you can hit a target w/ a harpy at 90K what is your setup? That be freaking sweet, orbit at 90k lmao As another Snarpy pilot my setup: High: 4x 150mm Railgun II Mid: 1x Sensor Booster II, 1x F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, 2x Tracking Computer II Low: 1x Tracking Enhancer II, 1x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Hits out at 90km with Spike S and does good damage too :) Thats almost exactly what i use, except i still keep a SB II in my mids no matter what. Why bother, when the F-90 has the same stats as the SB II and is a much easier fit. The tracking computers can't be swapped the same way. The named ones are slightly less effective than the T2.
diabolic clone Amarr Paxton Industries	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:25:00 - [40] how do you cram 4 medium beams onto a retribution with a propulsion mod and and heat sinks? 4x MBII SB MAPC/Co-proc/3x heat sinks? Seems like a waste to me, might as well run a coercer with dual lights[More DPS, better tracking, less training for that damage and tracking] and plate it. Use pulses, you hit 15km optimal with the Medium Pulses and can fit a rep and afterburner on. . fitted my retribution up with 4 medium beam laser II named afterburner small armor rep II, named heat sink, thermal hardner that takes 1 pg, RCU I, Micro auxillery powercore takes all of the 90 powergrid it gets and has just a little cpu left over, this is with weapon upgrades lvl4, with AWU you could probably drop the RCU for a powerdiagnostic system. when my assult ships skill is up ill have the firepower of a destroyer on a smaller faster ship with a better tank, even with the hitpoint boost flying a destroyer is more suicidal than a frigate.
Arric Rohr Valley Forge	Posted - 2007.03.29 01:58:00 - [41] Well, to answer the OP, yes, I use them. Largely because they are big fun to fly. If you pvp you will lose them, but a tricked Enyo, my favorite, is only about 30 million, or a couple of days of ratting. So why not. For 0.0 ratting they will work, although they are pretty slow to kill a bs, it is fun to end the fight with 100% shield. You will be low on ammo though. ;) For PvP you clean up the frigs and intys, then go hassle the hacs until you get blown up. Why, the Enyo, when people say it isn't much good? Have you seen one? It's like a Space Ducati. Nothing cooler in the whole galaxy imho. AR Where do I get one of those cool signatures?
HoKu Ziare Middle Finger Technology	Posted - 2007.03.29 04:22:00 - [42] Edited by: HoKu Ziare on 29/03/2007 04:19:01 AF are worth the Train. I love my enyo for ratting. With my harpy I was able to pop a inty from 90+km before he could warp out.(Pre-T2 Ammo Nerf) but the one AF I am scared to fight is a Ishkur. Im sorry but the Ishkur pwns all other frig class ship.
Maeltstome Minmatar Caldari Navy Raiders DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.03.29 05:34:00 - [43] Originally by: Marquis Dean Wolf: Slightly unbalanced armortank (92.5% base EM resist!!) Thats only 7.5% above the abse of the other assault ships main resistance. Also pay clsoe attention to the TWO holes in is resistances. Every other AF has only 1 resistance hole on its tank to be filled.The wolf has been an underdog AF for tanking, dont complain, it needs bosoted if anything - I'd sacrifice those 7.5% EM res for another 20-30% on kin any day :p back on topic AF's are rockin, they are cheap for PVE (20 mil and you can chain spawn 3x BS rats, even the BIGGEST ones of each type), and for PvP, they have frigate sig, frigate speed, Tech II resistances and 4 ship boni + slots that would make a cruiser blush. AF > Interceptor for PVP imo - you cant hit 6K/s, but you can hit 3k/s and still be able to actually take damage if your webbed and nos'd, giving them much more tackling capability. And how many Inty's would you see killing an AF, not many in my experience :)
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.03.29 07:21:00 - [44] Originally by: Maeltstome Originally by: Marquis Dean Wolf: Slightly unbalanced armortank (92.5% base EM resist!!) Thats only 7.5% above the abse of the other assault ships main resistance. Also pay clsoe attention to the TWO holes in is resistances. Every other AF has only 1 resistance hole on its tank to be filled.The wolf has been an underdog AF for tanking, dont complain, it needs bosoted if anything - I'd sacrifice those 7.5% EM res for another 20-30% on kin any day :p back on topic AF's are rockin, they are cheap for PVE (20 mil and you can chain spawn 3x BS rats, even the BIGGEST ones of each type), and for PvP, they have frigate sig, frigate speed, Tech II resistances and 4 ship boni + slots that would make a cruiser blush. AF > Interceptor for PVP imo - you cant hit 6K/s, but you can hit 3k/s and still be able to actually take damage if your webbed and nos'd, giving them much more tackling capability. And how many Inty's would you see killing an AF, not many in my experience :) The resists between 70 and 80 are not the same as the resists between 95 and 92.5. The Wolf, fits a nasty armor tank, 400mm RT plate + offline SAR. 2000+ armor and it doesnt sacrifice any guns/propulsion to do so. ---------------------------------------- Thou Shalt "Pew Pew"
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.29 09:55:00 - [45] As a couple of others mentioned--AF's rock for combat (cannot comment on usefulness for ratting...tried it and it takes too long). I fly the Jaguar and Wolf and find them able to survive very well in fleet action with the T2 resists supplemented by DC II. The Jag makes a lovely knifefighter (up close and personal) while the Wolf is a nasty arty boat....but to get the most out of these ships AWU to a decent level is really required as I cringe seeing any setup that requires a MAPC. "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA UKC
Tommy Vercetti Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.03.29 14:21:00 - [46] Edited by: Tommy Vercetti on 29/03/2007 14:17:36 Originally by: RuleoftheBone As a couple of others mentioned--AF's rock for combat (cannot comment on usefulness for ratting...tried it and it takes too long). I fly the Jaguar and Wolf and find them able to survive very well in fleet action with the T2 resists supplemented by DC II. The Jag makes a lovely knifefighter (up close and personal) while the Wolf is a nasty arty boat....but to get the most out of these ships AWU to a decent level is really required as I cringe seeing any setup that requires a MAPC. /Signed. You need pretty good skills to make a wolf/jag/any other af work, but IMO they are seriously underestimated at times. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=428375 Of course, this guy is a damned good wolf pilot, but when you see bs's going down to a wolf its absolute gold. Originally by: Pestillence It's a game where we fly around in eggs with tubes up our arses. If I want reality I'll go outside.
Rik'tik'ticheck Minmatar Isendeldik Enterprises	Posted - 2007.03.29 21:01:00 - [47] Originally by: RuleoftheBone The Jag makes a lovely knifefighter (up close and personal) while the Wolf is a nasty arty boat well i'll have to disagree with you on this one the ships bonuses do actually supportquite the opposite setups ie arty for jag, as the optimum range bonus is practically lost with AC:s and because of the Falloff bonus AC:s are the best there is for the wolf, as barrage gets about 11km fall off, the reason i am currently not using a web on my wolf - as if he webs you, you can hit him, an fairly accurately too. not saying a jag with ac:s is bad, just that you'll miss one bonus like that ------- Well atleast you don't have to type that name for invites or coms..... My buddies loved me in EQ2 i can tell you...
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.30 13:11:00 - [48] Originally by: Rik'tik'ticheck Originally by: RuleoftheBone The Jag makes a lovely knifefighter (up close and personal) while the Wolf is a nasty arty boat well i'll have to disagree with you on this one the ships bonuses do actually supportquite the opposite setups ie arty for jag, as the optimum range bonus is practically lost with AC:s and because of the Falloff bonus AC:s are the best there is for the wolf, as barrage gets about 11km fall off, the reason i am currently not using a web on my wolf - as if he webs you, you can hit him, an fairly accurately too. not saying a jag with ac:s is bad, just that you'll miss one bonus like that You have a point...especially after watching the Wolf vids last night. I am SO going to fit AC's/RL to a Wolf and try that over the weekend . But with regard to the Stiletto regardless of bonus the damage ouput of 2 turret hardpoints combined with so-so grid makes it a bit dubious fitting-wise. Personally I try and avoid any setup that requires any low slot being wasted on MAPC's, PDU's etc. It may work with an AB....but in 0.0 a MWD is almost a requirement. "Lead me...Follow me...Or get the **** out of my way...." -General George Patton USA UKC

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