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Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.03.26 12:06:00 - [1] Hey, In the area I'm currently in I see a crapload of what I see as obvious macroers. Not miners but Haulers or mission bots or something. There is a number (about 7) characters who do nothing but travel the gates in Bestowers or Badgers. Since I've grown tired of seeing them by the gates I decided to pop a few. Typcal mission hauling. Tobacco etc. The pod continues on, goes to a station (mostly the same) and then retuns. A few minutes later he'll be back in a new bessie and so on and on and on. No reply to convo. No reaction to bumping. (will aproach gate) No reaction to popping. Now, I'd like to report this but how the heck am I to give enough and credible information? Name is a no-brainer, as is systems they travel. Need I report how frequent they are? Chatlogs? Behaviour? Macrominers I've reported but they are easier to detect. It's just so damn obvious that it's a scrip working due to the delays in warping, delays when jumping and reactions to approach. Oh, I also hate macroers. Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
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Saibotek	Posted - 2007.03.26 12:44:00 - [3] Im going out on a limb here. Why do you think they are macros? People tend to AFK Haul in empire on auto pilot all the time. If you have no war like the noob corps do. Then you are safe enough to do so. supposedly Some of those missions can be pretty rediculous move 50km3 to 5 stations 5 jumps from each other, Its been a while since i have done any courier missions though. I used to just set my destination and go do laundry or play Xbox with my son to kill the 1/2 hour it took it to get to my destination. The fact that pod continues on just tells that some one maybe there to hit autopilot. And Bestowers and badgers are relatively cheap. I am in now way condoning it but am curious as to why another form of play is yet being blamed to the macroers. As a autopilot user this concerns me. Is it the naming convention they have used. Well nothing is done about that either. They dont respond to chat in local.. Well who does anymore. and most people have auto reject turned on due to the isk spammers. Is this an form of High Sec Piracy being brought to light? Maybe.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 26/03/2007 13:13:23 Originally by: Saibotek Im going out on a limb here. Why do you think they are macros? People tend to AFK Haul in empire on auto pilot all the time. If you have no war like the noob corps do. Then you are safe enough to do so. supposedly Some of those missions can be pretty rediculous move 50km3 to 5 stations 5 jumps from each other, Its been a while since i have done any courier missions though. I used to just set my destination and go do laundry or play Xbox with my son to kill the 1/2 hour it took it to get to my destination. The fact that pod continues on just tells that some one maybe there to hit autopilot. And Bestowers and badgers are relatively cheap. I am in now way condoning it but am curious as to why another form of play is yet being blamed to the macroers. As a autopilot user this concerns me. Is it the naming convention they have used. Well nothing is done about that either. They dont respond to chat in local.. Well who does anymore. and most people have auto reject turned on due to the isk spammers. Is this an form of High Sec Piracy being brought to light? Maybe. Some extreames are trial alts in noobships carrying tradegoods cargo using warp to zero to get into and out of low sec safely. Granted players such as "adfjh01" and "asfjh02" and so on may not be macro players, but indeed genuine players who, by mistake, just so happened to have a simaler name and also just so happen to be warping back and forth constantly in and out of low sec in noobships in orderly fashion. Of course, these trial alts must relise the dangers of low sec so they must band together for greater glory! Then again, it could be that they are both scouting in noobships for each other, after all, 2-3 day old people in noobships make for no loss. In other news, it turns out the Enron Executives were perfectly innocent all along. Fancy that! -- Billion Isk Mission
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:56:00 - [5] Originally by: Saibotek Im going out on a limb here. Why do you think they are macros? People tend to AFK Haul in empire on auto pilot all the time. If you have no war like the noob corps do. Then you are safe enough to do so. supposedly Some of those missions can be pretty rediculous move 50km3 to 5 stations 5 jumps from each other, Its been a while since i have done any courier missions though. I used to just set my destination and go do laundry or play Xbox with my son to kill the 1/2 hour it took it to get to my destination. The fact that pod continues on just tells that some one maybe there to hit autopilot. And Bestowers and badgers are relatively cheap. I am in now way condoning it but am curious as to why another form of play is yet being blamed to the macroers. As a autopilot user this concerns me. Is it the naming convention they have used. Well nothing is done about that either. They dont respond to chat in local.. Well who does anymore. and most people have auto reject turned on due to the isk spammers. Is this an form of High Sec Piracy being brought to light? Maybe. 1: they don't run on auto pilot. They use WTZ. 2: Local chat AND convo ignored. 3: They keep coming back, over and over, no matter how many bestowers they lose in the exact same spot. 4: They always start out from the same station and have 3 or 4 different routs. 5: By this time they could without a doubt move on to a higher level agent. 6: The delays from arival at the gate up till they jump are always slow, always the same. Players at the keyboard do this MUCH quicker and NEVER with such an exact timing to the delays. Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen	Posted - 2007.03.26 13:59:00 - [6] What was the system name? Lowes (phonetic spelling) or something? My corpmate reported that last night as well, around 20ish haulers, all NPC corps, completely oblivious to anything around them. == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Raekone	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:01:00 - [7] Edited by: Raekone on 26/03/2007 13:58:44 Ignoring or otherwise not responding to your convos and whatever is entirely their choice. There is in fact no way in existance to prove they're macroing, short of either 1) installing spyware in everyones comps like blizzard have done with wow, or 2) popping over to their houses randomly saying oh hello give us a cup then AHA!!! edit wtb spell checker bot
Snake Doctor	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:03:00 - [8] Sorry to tell you, man, but they are real people. There's really no way to do a hauler macro that would work more than once, and no bots exist for EVE. They are probably hauler alts. Perfectly legal ones at that. Your mom goes to college...
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.03.26 14:25:00 - [9] Ok, thanks. I'll file the petition tonight. It's gonna be a long one.... What made me so determined? It was the "they are real people" comment. OFC they are, they are real people who have the skills to script or otherwise use a 3rd party app/hw to automate it. They are AFK without a doubt. Any player who lose a hauler at a 0.4 system gate going to 0.5 would not jump thru and continure to the destination (remember, no Auto pilot)just to return (in pod). If they'd got a ship at the end destination I'd be more eager to let it slip. They do this till one grows tired of popping their haulers. Trust me, there is no one at that keyboard.... Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.03.26 15:13:00 - [10] Tell me what system, I'm feeling aggravated today.
Snake Doctor	Posted - 2007.03.26 15:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Diicc Tater Ok, thanks. I'll file the petition tonight. It's gonna be a long one.... What made me so determined? It was the "they are real people" comment. OFC they are, they are real people who have the skills to script or otherwise use a 3rd party app/hw to automate it. They are AFK without a doubt. Any player who lose a hauler at a 0.4 system gate going to 0.5 would not jump thru and continure to the destination (remember, no Auto pilot)just to return (in pod). If they'd got a ship at the end destination I'd be more eager to let it slip. They do this till one grows tired of popping their haulers. Trust me, there is no one at that keyboard.... First a disclaimer-- Although I'm an abrasive douchebag, I'm not flaming you; There is currently NO way to make a bot for eve. You can try and try and try, and still fail. There is very LOW likelihood (like a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10) that this is a macro. From what you describe, it just sounds like a bunch of hauler alts running convoys from one system to the other. There is nothing against EULA in this. Petittion all day long. The only thing it will get you is frustration--- tomorrow, or wednesday when they get to your petittion. Load up a Rokh with a nice tank, smartbombs, and cap charges and gank the ** out of their haulers. It's just so simple. How much would you like to wager that they are full of ice or materials used to mine it? Your mom** goes to college...
Saibotek	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Diicc Tater Ok, thanks. I'll file the petition tonight. It's gonna be a long one.... What made me so determined? It was the "they are real people" comment. OFC they are, they are real people who have the skills to script or otherwise use a 3rd party app/hw to automate it. They are AFK without a doubt. Any player who lose a hauler at a 0.4 system gate going to 0.5 would not jump thru and continure to the destination (remember, no Auto pilot)just to return (in pod). If they'd got a ship at the end destination I'd be more eager to let it slip. They do this till one grows tired of popping their haulers. Trust me, there is no one at that keyboard.... Well you should have added that little bit at the beginning and I would have believed you. I know (by reading) That they can just have it check pixel colouring and warp to the yellow stargate. So they can create a macro to travel in. (/ramble mode on) but it seems to me that someone would have to generate the route at some point. and probably dock at the waypoints. There is no waypoint reached alert when using WTZ. Then what happens when you get multiple waypoints and multiple items to be moved. Too many questions that brings up or i just need to read more on the logic of it. Too many variables for it to make sense. Gotta understand your enemy to defeat them. Maybe these macros are smarter than they are letting on. Maybe not if they continue on in a pod and come back. its interesting to see how far into the game that these macros are getting. mining, missions, courier, complexes, next it will be pv(p(m)) (player vs macro) and just wait till the macros start winning at that imagine the whine fest that will ensue then (/ramble mode off) anyway. just get em at the .4 and keep up the good battle against the ebilmacroers.
Akiama Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro	Posted - 2007.03.26 16:04:00 - [13] Where's this spot at? I wouldn't mind ganking some macro-haulers someday. ^_^ ---------------------------------------- CEO of Shugotenshi Genkuro ----------------------------------------
Ferno Puppets on Steroids	Posted - 2007.03.26 17:18:00 - [14] Diicc Im gonna pertition tonight too. There is deffinatly nobody at the keyboard and they are using WTZ. Last night when we were bumbing 1 off the gate for 10min and all he did was approach, it convinced me they must be a macro. Anybody in there write mind would have warped away and would sertainly not come back through in a pod 5 min later. It makes low sec look poppulated having lots of noob haulers jump through system but since every one has the same 4 expanders in lows the loot is bad.

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