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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:02:00 -
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Lets start with this:
MERCENARY ûadjective 1.working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal. 2.hired to serve in a foreign army, guerrilla organization, etc. ûnoun 3.a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army. 4.any hireling.
With that said, I went through the mercenaries list, forums, etc and added a total of 93 mercenary corporations to my contact list. Then I went hunting for a mercenary corp to hire for event security.
I found TWO! TWO Corporations that are actually mercenaries. They work for ISK. You pay them to be your personal army, and they do their job. Of the two, one of them was a three man operation led by someone I presume to be under the age of 14 working with two alts, and the other are great folks, but mostly not in my time zone and hard to coordinate with.
The rest of the ilk said "Only if we're killing someone." Listen dudes. You're not mercenaries. You're paid pirates. You're looking to get paid to selectively pirate people. You're looking to get paid to be a Privateer's Alliance on a smaller scale.
If you're only willing to take a contract if it involves a corporation that you need to wardec or a pilot that you need to kill, that is a very limited, selective role - like I said: Paid Pirate. Think back to the Letters of Marquee that kings used to give pirates to work for them. They were selective pirates, not mercenaries.
PLEASE for the love of God, CCP, and King Kong, stop calling yourselves mercs if you're not!
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:42:00 -
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Quote: 4. any hireling.
Therefore, paid pirates are mercenaries.
Q. E. ****in' D.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:44:00 -
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Nay - if you can't hire someone to do mercenary work because it doesn't involve killing someone, they aren't mercenaries (hirelings).
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/03/2007 00:44:26
Originally by: Curzon Dax Nay - if you can't hire someone to do mercenary work because it doesn't involve killing someone, they aren't mercenaries (hirelings).
So, lets say I am a cook in a sandwitch shop. A guy comes in and starts wrecking up the place, and then leaves. Later he comes in and demands that I make him a sandwitch.
I refuse.
Does that mean that I am no longer a cook - or that my establishment is no longer sandwitch shop - simply on the basis that I refused a certain customer?
EDIT: My point is - just because the person-for-hire turned down a job doesn't mean that he/she can't call him/herself a purveyor of that service.
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Arii Smith
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/03/2007 00:43:11
Originally by: Curzon Dax Nay - if you can't hire someone to do mercenary work because it doesn't involve killing someone, they aren't mercenaries (hirelings).
So, lets say I am a cook in a sandwitch shop. A guy comes in and starts wrecking up the place, and then leaves. Later he comes in and demands that I make him a sandwitch.
I refuse.
Does that mean that I am no longer a cook?
EDIT: My point is - just because the person-for-hire turned down a job doesn't mean that he/she can't call him/herself a purveyor of that service.
What the hell does not analogy have to do with anything? It makes ZERO sense.
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Devian 666
Ocean Dynamics Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:50:00 -
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Mercenaries are allowed to specialise. Given that most mercs are pvpers they want action and not to sit around guarding stuff.
However, this is the key problem to most merc corps is that they don't take easy isk jobs. I've even seen jobs from RPs turned down just because they're RPs. A shame but mercs, like any business, can choose their clients. "If you had a gang of 81127 kestrals you could alpha strike Tranquility Server into a smoking hole in the ground" |
Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/03/2007 00:49:47
Originally by: Arii Smith What the hell does not analogy have to do with anything? It makes ZERO sense.
Neither does your sentence!
Originally by: Devian 666 A shame but mercs, like any business, can choose their clients.
This guy gets it.
Said yet another way: just because you choose your clients, doesn't mean you aren't a <insert profession here>. (That was what my analogy was demonstrating... I could have used ANY profession... could have been injury lawyer, tax attourney, prostitute... anything.)
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:52:00 -
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Leave it in context.
You run a deli shop. Someone comes in and asks you for a ham and cheese sandwich. You tell them you don't have ham or cheese. They ask you for roast beef. You tell them that you don't do roast beef either, only tofu.
Since you don't have the selections one would expect to find in a deli, no you shouldn't have a deli shop.
By the same token, if a corporation is only willing to work as "mercenaries" when it involves taking money to kill someone, they are assassins or pirates, not mercenaries.
Within the scope of Eve, Mercenaries would take contracts to kill folks, wardec, AS WELL as the full gamut of other services one would pay a third party for. If you don't, and won't attach a price to it, then you're not mercs. Mercs work for money, not for pew-pew. The "mercs" in Eve care about pew-pew, not money. Likely, the individuals in the mercenary corporations aren't even paid. *scoffs*
Short of going around and hiring individuals into a corporation, then paying them to do what I need them to do, I can't think of any of the so-called mercenaries who actually are.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Leave it in context.
You run a deli shop. Someone comes in and asks you for a ham and cheese sandwich. You tell them you don't have ham or cheese. They ask you for roast beef. You tell them that you don't do roast beef either, only tofu.
Since you don't have the selections one would expect to find in a deli, no you shouldn't have a deli shop.
That was pretty good.
Isn't one allowed to specialize though? If I have a sandwitch shop that specializes in making vegetarian sandwitches (god forbid ), then someone can't call me "not a sandwitch shop" just because I don't have ham or roast beef.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/03/2007 00:54:00 double post
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BigRich Omerta
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Posted - 2007.03.27 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Leave it in context.
You run a deli shop. Someone comes in and asks you for a ham and cheese sandwich. You tell them you don't have ham or cheese. They ask you for roast beef. You tell them that you don't do roast beef either, only tofu.
I keep the roast beef in the fridge in the back. You cant have any
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: BigRich Omerta I keep the roast beef in the fridge in the back. You cant have any
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:03:00 -
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Xori, of course you can specialize. If you run a Vegetarian sandwich shop, and don't carry meat, you call yourself "Xori's Vegetarian Deli" or something.
Yes, corps in Eve should specialize. But if you're gank-only, call yourself that. Don't call yourself mercenaries, call yourself gankers. If the only job you will take is ganking someone, say so!
I have no love whatsoever for Privateer Alliance, and make fun of them in half of my songs, but at least they don't pretend to be something they're not?
Look at it like this: "Mercenaries" are what Pirates become when they get smart. Why just run around ganking people when occassionally you can get someone to pay you for it too?
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:08:00 -
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No doubt you simply didn't offer enough money.
For the right price, most services are available. But if you want people to do something boring, then its going to cost you more.
We're not even listed on the merc list these days (but do merc work regardless), but I can tell you up front that if you want a bunch of guys to sit around for you and be bored, it won't be cheap.
Try throwing more money at it. For enough ISK, almost anything can be done.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax sandwich shop, and don't carry meat
I'm gonna have nightmares :(
Quote: Yes, corps in Eve should specialize. But if you're gank-only, call yourself that. Don't call yourself mercenaries, call yourself gankers. If the only job you will take is ganking someone, say so!
I can see where you are coming from, man... but I don't know if I can "go there" and agree with you yet.
Actually - what sort of non-killing jobs are we talking about?
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Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:34:00 -
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What you're looking for is more of a Private Military Corporation. Mercenaries fight on the front lines wheras PMCs work the sidelines. Similar but not the same.
My corp is planning to go PMC sometime in the future. We're not yet large enough to provide full event security but we would be willing to work with others if the times are right. If you're interested, throw an evemail my way with details.
Also, good luck with your battleship tournament. I like the idea behind it.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:40:00 -
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Xori:
Click my signature. It will take you to...*gasp* The Eve Battleship Championship. Understandably, lowsec fights need gatecamps and security. I got turned down over and over again by so called "mercenary corporations" because they don't want to "babysit."
Seriously....when you're making potentially billions for 30 minutes of work at a time?
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Alkhar
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:47:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Xori:
Click my signature. It will take you to...*gasp* The Eve Battleship Championship. Understandably, lowsec fights need gatecamps and security. I got turned down over and over again by so called "mercenary corporations" because they don't want to "babysit."
Seriously....when you're making potentially billions for 30 minutes of work at a time?
Perhaps, just perhaps, they are under contract already, or have plans in the works? Far more than 2 Mercenary Corps out there, and plenty of them are busy right now
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Vily
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:47:00 -
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If you did indeed offer billions for less than hours worth of work I truly have to say WTF.
I would be curious to who said no, who said we are busy etc. though.
If you have any people that are INACTIVE on that list would love to know too ^^ -
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 27/03/2007 01:45:32
Originally by: Curzon Dax Xori:
Click my signature. It will take you to...*gasp* The Eve Battleship Championship. Understandably, lowsec fights need gatecamps and security. I got turned down over and over again by so called "mercenary corporations" because they don't want to "babysit."
Seriously....when you're making potentially billions for 30 minutes of work at a time?
Hmm.. that sounds like a very kill-intensive contract to me, man... I'm not sure what's wrong with these mercs you've been talking to I don't know anyone who would turn that down..
Originally by: Vily If you did indeed offer billions for less than hours worth of work I truly have to say WTF.
I would be curious to who said no, who said we are busy etc. though.
Looks like she beat me to it...
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Nay - if you can't hire someone to do mercenary work because it doesn't involve killing someone, they aren't mercenaries (hirelings).
Yes they are. You don't get to rewrite the dictionary.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:52:00 -
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WTF, just a couple 3 months ago, I knew a guy who hired some mercs for a transport guard. I also remember reading a couple others.
Well, maybe it isnt the Mercs but the job, but then again money talks, so it should be viable if the price is right. You would think anyway.
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Tecro Nashota
Inako Industries
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Posted - 2007.03.27 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv Actually - what sort of non-killing jobs are we talking about?
Jobs like providing mining corps with protection in lowsec belts, escorting freighters through lowsec, escorting some newbie's to the EvE gate and forgetting to tell'em to bring cans , guarding the warpgate's to the pockets of NPC bases, escorting a expensive cargo through main hubs protecting them from suicide pirates, providing protection during POS setup or takedown, etc.
Big problem is indeed that this is still a game and you want to be a 'gun for hire' you want to go and shoot stuff, well d'uh. Ok, in RL a mercenary would, for the same amount of money, much more prefer to do something less dangerous rather than something more dangerous, if he/she had the choice. But this being a game, the vast majority of the so called 'mercs', might want to be mercs if you compare it with RL, but in game don't want that playing style.
It's just a RL <> game fantasy 'does not compute', but the solution is easy ; specialization. Isn't that what EvE's all about
Also, a mercenary is still somewhat of a roleplaying thing, and with this new group of epeens starting to play EvE (where the hell did they come from anyway ?), the roleplaying is often far the be found and they're just using the word because it looks so kewl.
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Exekias
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:02:00 -
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This thread made me hungry. --------------
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xOm3gAx
Caldari Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Lets start with this:
MERCENARY ûadjective 1.working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal. 2.hired to serve in a foreign army, guerrilla organization, etc. ûnoun 3.a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army. 4.any hireling.
With that said, I went through the mercenaries list, forums, etc and added a total of 93 mercenary corporations to my contact list. Then I went hunting for a mercenary corp to hire for event security.
I found TWO! TWO Corporations that are actually mercenaries. They work for ISK. You pay them to be your personal army, and they do their job. Of the two, one of them was a three man operation led by someone I presume to be under the age of 14 working with two alts, and the other are great folks, but mostly not in my time zone and hard to coordinate with.
The rest of the ilk said "Only if we're killing someone." Listen dudes. You're not mercenaries. You're paid pirates. You're looking to get paid to selectively pirate people. You're looking to get paid to be a Privateer's Alliance on a smaller scale.
If you're only willing to take a contract if it involves a corporation that you need to wardec or a pilot that you need to kill, that is a very limited, selective role - like I said: Paid Pirate. Think back to the Letters of Marquee that kings used to give pirates to work for them. They were selective pirates, not mercenaries.
PLEASE for the love of God, CCP, and King Kong, stop calling yourselves mercs if you're not!
Excuse me but i don't recall ever being contacted by anyone for event security. So please be more specific with your accusations. Of those 93 contacted organizations i can garuntee that stain of mind was not one of them. Also with that being said if you really did go through the forums looking for a merc corp the first place you would have checked and there by used to contact merc's would have been the Mercinaries listing here on these forums. If used you would have contacted us unless of course you were very selective about who you decided to contact.
Also, the merc postings on the forums here tell you what types of contracts the mercs take. Alot of us prefer to kill people as security is mundane. -----------
"Mercinaries never die, we just go to hell to regroup." -xOm3gAx '99
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.03.27 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax By the same token, if a corporation is only willing to work as "mercenaries" when it involves taking money to kill someone, they are assassins or pirates, not mercenaries.
They can be both, those are not exclusive terms.
You don't get to pick the title of other people or groups. A business always has the right to refuse service to anyone, and you've got the misguided perception that someone has to meet all types in order to fulfill the definition.
If I'm paid a billion ISK to hunt you down and pod you, I've just hired myself out as an assassin, because my specific duty is to kill someone, and I'm also a merc, because I am a hireling.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Curzon Dax
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.03.27 03:50:00 -
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Edited by: Curzon Dax on 27/03/2007 03:48:58
Um...the folks in MC posting here....
I started with Mercenary Coalition. And I quote "We're busy right now and besides, we don't babysit." *EDIT* The subject of money never came up. They always left convo when I detailed what I was after.
I have a mercenary corporation supporting event security for the battleship championship now, but like I said - they're European and I'm not. If you can do better, and support 24/7 availability with notice, or more importantly U.S. Timezones, perhaps you should have your CEO contact me.
But like I said...I didn't go to two merc corporations. I went to NINETY THREE of them. Of those, only two were willing to talk about something other than pew-pewing for ISK.
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kublai
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.03.27 09:04:00 -
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After omni died I couldn't name a single proper merc corp.
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Cipher7
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.03.27 09:28:00 -
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If I promise to guard your event and fall asleep, its my fault for taking the job.
So I'd rather say "No, I am not interested in that job."
You have a choice to hire someone or not.
They have a choice to work for you or not.
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Vagra
Minmatar Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.03.27 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Curzon Dax Lets start with this:
MERCENARY ûadjective 1.working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal. 2.hired to serve in a foreign army, guerrilla organization, etc. ûnoun 3.a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army. 4.any hireling.
With that said, I went through the mercenaries list, forums, etc and added a total of 93 mercenary corporations to my contact list. Then I went hunting for a mercenary corp to hire for event security.
I found TWO! TWO Corporations that are actually mercenaries. They work for ISK. You pay them to be your personal army, and they do their job. Of the two, one of them was a three man operation led by someone I presume to be under the age of 14 working with two alts, and the other are great folks, but mostly not in my time zone and hard to coordinate with.
The rest of the ilk said "Only if we're killing someone." Listen dudes. You're not mercenaries. You're paid pirates. You're looking to get paid to selectively pirate people. You're looking to get paid to be a Privateer's Alliance on a smaller scale.
If you're only willing to take a contract if it involves a corporation that you need to wardec or a pilot that you need to kill, that is a very limited, selective role - like I said: Paid Pirate. Think back to the Letters of Marquee that kings used to give pirates to work for them. They were selective pirates, not mercenaries.
PLEASE for the love of God, CCP, and King Kong, stop calling yourselves mercs if you're not!
i think like most players in this game you need to re-assess who and what you think a pirate is. Pirates ransom your ship and take money from you. They flash red in local, and funny enough they sit in .4 to .1 systems and gate camp in groups or solo in some cases. Mercenaries you will find are paid by other corps/ alliances to kill other corps/ alliances. They receive money based on kills/ performance and the objectives that are laid out in any contact. So pretty much all the above is incorrect. You can't lay out RL terms to describe a game that is based on ship combat.
You say you fed-up of incorrect titles, i say i'm fed-up of people posting rubbish on the forums because they find themselfs with spare time on there hands. Do some constructive and learn how to play the game. Then when you post on here ppl might pay more attention rather than flaming you ...
kindest regards
Vagra
" i helped kill a moros last night and now Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate hate me.. well Ace101 does any how's :) "
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