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Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:28:00 - [1] If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. Seems like the patch only helped massive gankers who can do massive DPS, instead of solo playing pirates. I'd rather it work the OTHER WAY, as in: -Screw gate camping massive gank fest parties -Help the individual, solo pirates/bounty hunters So, I'm not against logoffski at all. If you don't have ANY chance whatsoever vs a massive group that has nothing else to do, by all means, log off. How about implementing something that checks how many opponents engage your ship, if there are too many enemies to allies ratio, you are allowed to "logoffski" without penalty? On the other hand, if it is 1v1 then your ship should remain for well over a minute or so. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Ling Xiao	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:32:00 - [2] Go back to WoW if you don't want to face the repercussions of dying. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Terra Mauter Reflex.	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:32:00 - [3] Fleets just wouldnt aggro in big numbers so you didnt warp off. It would have to analyse everything within 249km (snipers)
Xaroth Brook Minmatar Doomcraft	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:33:00 - [4] It might work to get your point over to not complain about everything at the same time... First you got killed, so you whinged about dying costing too much Apparently you got killed in a gatecamp, since you're now whinging about gatecamps. As was said before, If you can't afford to lose it, DON'T FLY IT (Especially when going into lowsec) oh and for the record, Loggofski'ing is lame, it's abusing game-mechanics to cheat your way out of death.. the devs already fixed logofski's inside warp-bubbles with the last patch, so i doubt they'd do anything but the opposite from what you're asking. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Xaroth Brook [Datacore - Quantum Physics] x 40
Haffrage Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:35:00 - [5] Instawarps? No. Instavanishes. It IS considered an exploit. Do you know why all forms of everything promote group activity? Because two guns do 200% the damage of one. Two probes have 200% the chance to find the target than one. Etcetera etcetera. By pirating alone you may get all the loot, but you won't be doing any massive damage or winning fights against two guys teaming up on you in the exact same ships. -----
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Xaroth Brook It might work to get your point over to not complain about everything at the same time... First you got killed, so you whinged about dying costing too much Apparently you got killed in a gatecamp, since you're now whinging about gatecamps. As was said before, If you can't afford to lose it, DON'T FLY IT (Especially when going into lowsec) oh and for the record, Loggofski'ing is lame, it's abusing game-mechanics to cheat your way out of death.. the devs already fixed logofski's inside warp-bubbles with the last patch, so i doubt they'd do anything but the opposite from what you're asking. You assume that I got killed. :P CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:37:00 - [7] Sit down and shut up, logofski is lame lame lame lame lame. If you jump your ship into a camp its your own stupid fault. Use a friggin scout in a fast ship or cloaker. If nothing else is available get in a damn shuttle. P.S logoffski is LAME. F4T4L Recruitment
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Noluck Ned Sit down and shut up, logofski is lame lame lame lame lame. If you jump your ship into a camp its your own stupid fault. Use a friggin scout in a fast ship or cloaker. If nothing else is available get in a damn shuttle. P.S logoffski is LAME. Only if you're safe in Alliance space protected by three dozen friendlies. What if I want to play solo? Thought so. Don't be forcing your playing style on me, son. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Rodge Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:45:00 - [9] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. I tried to use this obvious exploit. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. Seems like the patch only helped massive gankers who can do massive DPS, instead of people like myself who like to abuse the broken system and play Eve in total safety with no chance of loss. I'd rather it work the OTHER WAY, as in: -Screw the concept of risk versus reward -Make the game more like WoW with no loss and/or an invincibility option that I can use. So, I'm not against logoffski at all. If I haven't bothered to scout a gate, then it's only fair that my laziness should be rewarded with the logoff exploit. Tidied up your original post a little for you. Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion [ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Noluck Ned Sit down and shut up, logofski is lame lame lame lame lame. If you jump your ship into a camp its your own stupid fault. Use a friggin scout in a fast ship or cloaker. If nothing else is available get in a damn shuttle. P.S logoffski is LAME. Only if you're safe in Alliance space protected by three dozen friendlies. What if I want to play solo? Thought so. Don't be forcing your playing style on me, son. Play how the game is intended or don't play. Why do you choose to play eve if you don't like the gameplay? Sounds pretty much like a mistake in your choice for a game, so now you want the game to change to suit -you- instead of the right way around.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:51:00 - [11] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Noluck Ned Sit down and shut up, logofski is lame lame lame lame lame. If you jump your ship into a camp its your own stupid fault. Use a friggin scout in a fast ship or cloaker. If nothing else is available get in a damn shuttle. P.S logoffski is LAME. Only if you're safe in Alliance space protected by three dozen friendlies. What if I want to play solo? Thought so. Don't be forcing your playing style on me, son. Play how the game is intended or don't play. Why do you choose to play eve if you don't like the gameplay? Sounds pretty much like a mistake in your choice for a game, so now you want the game to change to suit -you- instead of the right way around. Its always good to give suggestions on how to improve things and make them even better. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So, I'm not against logoffski at all. Theres your problem. ------
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Noluck Ned Sit down and shut up, logofski is lame lame lame lame lame. If you jump your ship into a camp its your own stupid fault. Use a friggin scout in a fast ship or cloaker. If nothing else is available get in a damn shuttle. P.S logoffski is LAME. Only if you're safe in Alliance space protected by three dozen friendlies. What if I want to play solo? Thought so. Don't be forcing your playing style on me, son. Play how the game is intended or don't play. Why do you choose to play eve if you don't like the gameplay? Sounds pretty much like a mistake in your choice for a game, so now you want the game to change to suit -you- instead of the right way around. Its always good to give suggestions on how to improve things and make them even better. I just noticed your other thread and concluded that it would be a waste of time to spend more text on a person like you. I'd suggest you cancel your subscription.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 07:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Strel Samodelkin So, I'm not against logoffski at all. Theres your problem. Hey, you just pointed out a logic flaw. If I'm not against logoffski AT ALL then I'm not against logging off even vs solo pirates. Nice. I'm sending you one million isk and correcting my post. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.03.27 08:23:00 - [15] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Hey, you just pointed out a logic flaw. If I'm not against logoffski AT ALL then I'm not against logging off even vs solo pirates. Nice. I'm sending you one million isk and correcting my post. Well thank for you the isk, and since I'm a dirty nasty pirate I'll keep it. The problem is that you are not against logging off. Logging off is within the same realm as hacking forums, hacking the client or any other metagaming actions. You might as well say you're not against lag bombs or invite spam. ------
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Hey, you just pointed out a logic flaw. If I'm not against logoffski AT ALL then I'm not against logging off even vs solo pirates. Nice. I'm sending you one million isk and correcting my post. Well thank for you the isk, and since I'm a dirty nasty pirate I'll keep it. The problem is that you are not against logging off. Logging off is within the same realm as hacking forums, hacking the client or any other metagaming actions. You might as well say you're not against lag bombs or invite spam. Not even the same realm at all. The stuff you mentioned causes millions of dollars worth of damage per year to RL businesses and individuals. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:41:00 - [17] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 27/03/2007 09:39:07 Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Not even the same realm at all. The stuff you mentioned causes millions of dollars worth of damage per year to RL businesses and individuals. In relation to EVE its all metagaming, and yeah lagbombs and invite spam causes millions of dollars worth of damage per year to real life businesses Though perhaps this all makes sense, after all you're not against isk buying either. ------
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:47:00 - [18] You are not our father. Stop calling people "son". At least so excessively... Loggoffski is an exploit. No one will make it more exploitable for you. Third, you can play solo, but you can't try to change the game to suit that. I play semi-solo a lot, and I can avoid gate camps. Try opening your map and using that. Or do what I do and pray . Or fly frigates. As you seem to hate losing stuff so much anyway, you might as well fly something cheap. And it's fast so you can evade a lot of camps that way. Or you could just go back to WoW where you belong, trust me, it will be better for all of us, including you. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog
Grunanca	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 27/03/2007 07:56:18 If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. Seems like the patch only helped massive gankers who can do massive DPS, instead of solo playing pirates. I'd rather it work the OTHER WAY, as in: -Screw gate camping massive gank fest parties -Help the individual, solo pirates/bounty hunters So, I'm not against logoffski at all, if you don't have ANY chance whatsoever vs a massive group that has nothing else to do. Under those circumstances logging off is justified. How about implementing something that checks how many opponents engage your ship, if there are too many enemies to allies ratio, you are allowed to "logoffski" without penalty? On the other hand, if it is 1v1 then your ship should remain for well over a minute or so. Sorry, but after reading 2 of your posts, all I can really say is: You are lame, go play WoW.. EVE is NOT the game for you..
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin What if I want to play solo? Go play oblivion/freelancer. MMOG = Massively MULTIPLAYER Online Game.
Strel Samodelkin Caldari Nationalist Party	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:52:00 - [21] Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 27/03/2007 07:56:18 If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. Seems like the patch only helped massive gankers who can do massive DPS, instead of solo playing pirates. I'd rather it work the OTHER WAY, as in: -Screw gate camping massive gank fest parties -Help the individual, solo pirates/bounty hunters So, I'm not against logoffski at all, if you don't have ANY chance whatsoever vs a massive group that has nothing else to do. Under those circumstances logging off is justified. How about implementing something that checks how many opponents engage your ship, if there are too many enemies to allies ratio, you are allowed to "logoffski" without penalty? On the other hand, if it is 1v1 then your ship should remain for well over a minute or so. Sorry, but after reading 2 of your posts, all I can really say is: You are lame, go play WoW.. EVE is NOT the game for you.. Sure it is. There are a lot of players who prefer to hunt/play solo. CEO Caldari Nationalist Party http://www.eve-caldari.com Eve Online tips now available! Go to the link above!
Scilent Enigma Minmatar SpearMint Rhino GentleMen's Club	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:55:00 - [22] Not another loggofski thread, jesh.. It's just pixels, it's just a game. Seriously, if you can't stand to lose it, don't undock in the ship, it's that simple.
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.03.27 09:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Originally by: Grunanca Originally by: Strel Samodelkin Edited by: Strel Samodelkin on 27/03/2007 07:56:18 If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. Seems like the patch only helped massive gankers who can do massive DPS, instead of solo playing pirates. I'd rather it work the OTHER WAY, as in: -Screw gate camping massive gank fest parties -Help the individual, solo pirates/bounty hunters So, I'm not against logoffski at all, if you don't have ANY chance whatsoever vs a massive group that has nothing else to do. Under those circumstances logging off is justified. How about implementing something that checks how many opponents engage your ship, if there are too many enemies to allies ratio, you are allowed to "logoffski" without penalty? On the other hand, if it is 1v1 then your ship should remain for well over a minute or so. Sorry, but after reading 2 of your posts, all I can really say is: You are lame, go play WoW.. EVE is NOT the game for you.. Sure it is. There are a lot of players who prefer to hunt/play solo. True, but they accept the way the game is and adapt rather than whining about anything they don't like. ----- :::Need to be cleaned::: Fixed it. Happy? Quite . -HornFrog

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Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:46:00 - [25] Snip for discussing moderation - contact us at [email protected] - Timmeh Originally by: Strel Samodelkin If you open another Eve window and log in just as you log off, to select a different character, you origional character "insta warps" away. Unfortunately this does not protect you from massive gank parties who camp gates. IIRC this was ruled an exploit in the past. I know CTRL-Q to escape isn't an exploit, (even if it is lame as a really lame thing), but I have a vague recollection that relogging as another character on the same account to avoid the logoff timer was ruled as an exploit. I also seem to recall that it was an exploit that was no longer supposed to work. Could you clarify please: Does it still work? If so, is it still an exploit? Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Poison Laurel	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:50:00 - [26] I feel that I am relatively new to Eve and being one of those that still fumble around in 0.3 - 1.0 systems. Call me a carebear or not, doesnt matter to me, but it sounds like people are looking for some easy targets at these gatecamps and are getting annoyed when their cowardly easy prey gets away. Not knowing that much about PvPing yet, it strikes me as funny, that these gatecampers doesnt go out hunting other gatecampers, since these surely must be a more worthy enemy, than the single stray victim that cannot defend itself against overwelming odds. /Just Another Noob Among The Masses
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.03.27 10:54:00 - [27] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Could you clarify please: Does it still work? If so, is it still an exploit? I can tell you right now that this happening (people disappearing with aggro timer instantly) does still happen to me quite a lot. Noone will tell me how they done it, and GMs say there's nothing involved that looks like an exploit. But then again, the GMs are probably putting priority on replacing CNRs lost to mission scramber rats AKA "lag" - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:02:00 - [28] Why in the heck do you "need" logoffski to play solo? That's like saying "I suck at baseball, so I need a corked bat to play!" --23 Member-- EVE-Trance Radio--The EVE Textboard
Tecro Nashota Inako Industries	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:14:00 - [29] Edited by: Tecro Nashota on 27/03/2007 11:12:38 Originally by: Dark Shikari Why in the heck do you "need" logoffski to play solo? That's like saying "I suck at baseball, so I need a corked bat to play!" I'd go with : Why in the heck do you need Eve to play a solo game. Because I can, son. Yes daddy PS : This doodle has got some serious issues man, can't believe Mr.Van Cleef or Mr.Vendrin haven't punched him his teeth out yet, all of them, one by one
The Socialworker Minmatar The Socialworkers	Posted - 2007.03.27 11:50:00 - [30] I play solo a lot, and I am really getting sick of swimming against the tide on the whole logoffski thing. Going down to a big gang, and then finding people in a 1 v 1 who perceive themselves to have even a slight disadvantage disappearing. It's a sad state of affairs, and I wish they would hurry up a fix it. even sadder though is the number of players these days who openly do it, and even try to justify it on the forums. It is obviously cheating, and just because it is hard to proove and easy to get away with doesn't change that.

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