Now everyone is concerned that come November there will be a huge increase of chars created to do one thing, that being gank the heck out of high sec and your right, high sec will be gank heaven

Now this is where CCP is missing a huge trick, by letting alphas have all this power in high sec they are missing out on risk v reward, IE the Alpha pilot has NO RISK but LARGE reward though ganking

Also CCP will miss out on a revenue stream as these pilots can make as many accounts as they like and put no isk into CCP's wallet, this is bad

Stop invoking CCP's financials as a reason to implement game changes. It is not your concern, nor something you can speak to.

I think its kinda ridiculous that players who pay the sub are at risk of losing costly assets to players who are not paying a sub. Ganking is important to EVE, however, it should be part of the content that a subscription is required for considering the potential reward.


Bad CCP very very bad CCP

Given the time investment so many people have in this game and how badly CCP have cocked up so many things and the continuing decrease in concurrent users online, CCPs financials are a source of concern for every player who wishes to continue for this game to exist.

So pretty much you've arbitrarily decided which ways the alphas are allowed to play/affect the EVE universe?

I'll also add that if you're an omega and you lose "costly assets" to alphas, you are incompetent and deserve it.

Please just stop. We all know how much you fail-antigankers are obsessed with CCP's finances and like to blame ganking for the stagnant numbers.

You're not really concerned with CCP's finances, you just want to carebear in safety.

I want the game to exist and the only way to ensure that is too keep you lot from sissifying it. Robbing EVE of her soul ruins the game, it doesn't save anything.

Actually if you learned to understand points other than those in your own self interest, you would understand, I do not believe in a safe Hi-sec. I just believe that the current system of destroyer ganks coupled with the ability to scan cargo means that the risk vs reward mechanism is broken very badly.

I just think you need to actually fork out more isk to gank like you are, so you are actually risking something reasonable when you are going for a multi billion isk freighter reward or even a ship worth several hundred million while the gankers are merely putting up a couple of tens of million.

And yes ganking has made a lot of miners leave, it is because it is unbalanced and has been so since the crimewatch, destroyer rebalance was done but it is hardly the only reason for player numbers falling.

Given the time investment so many people have in this game and how badly CCP have cocked up so many things and the continuing decrease in concurrent users online, CCPs financials are a source of concern for every player who wishes to continue for this game to exist.

First of all, it's going to take at least 125M isk to gank a tank fit Obelisk, assuming max skills for everyone. I used an all T1 catalyst since that has the best ISK/DPS ratio. You also need a fleet of 58 people to pull it off, and that's not counting any support characters like a bumper, scanner/scout, etc. It also ignores any damage lost to incomplete volleys because I'm lazy, so in reality you'd need more, plus the overkill to ensure the freighter dies.

Also, who made the freighter so profitable to gank? The answer: the pilot. So if your freighter dies, and you want to know who is responsible, you only need look into a mirror.

Ok so 125m to gank an Obelisk, so the return point is therefore 250m in cargo. Due to the side effects of being - sec status is negligible at best, so no real cost to that.

Subsequently a ship costing 1.3b cannot carry more than 250m in cargo because after that point it becomes profitable to be ganked. Added to this the ability to actually scan cargo and the risk to gankers is nill.

Then there is the ability to bump subsequently meaning that a freighter can be stopped for as long as needed so that the ganking ships can come from another area, preventing their own ganking near the gate.

The entire deck is stacked in favour of the gankers, as to alphas while they may need large numbers to gank a freighter. That is hardly the case for industrials, mining ships, frigates etc..

Another wonderful and completely self interested post.

It would not take much for a few alphas to get together and gank other ships at which point you are not really incompetent just overwhelmed but as this is your play style and allows you to create additional alts for free to gank, you are of course against it.

That has been the biggest problem in EvE for years those who are profiting from a situation and screaming if there are changes. While those on the rough side of the equation just leave.

Actually if you learned to understand points other than those in your own self interest, you would understand, I do not believe in a safe Hi-sec. I just believe that the current system of destroyer ganks coupled with the ability to scan cargo means that the risk vs reward mechanism is broken very badly.

I just think you need to actually fork out more isk to gank like you are, so you are actually risking something reasonable when you are going for a multi billion isk freighter reward or even a ship worth several hundred million while the gankers are merely putting up a couple of tens of million.

And yes ganking has made a lot of miners leave, it is because it is unbalanced and has been so since the crimewatch, destroyer rebalance was done but it is hardly the only reason for player numbers falling.

Aaaaaand there he is on about ISK-tanking again. Everyone may now disregard this goofy post. Thousands of words have been written on these forums about exactly how terrible and short-sighted the idea of ISK-tanking is. -I don't think I need to go into it.

You need at least 58 different people since alpha accounts can not be multiboxed. 58 players to kill one ship and you call that "stacked in favour of the gankers". That is just hilarious.

Keep going on about ISK-tanking man, makes my job easier.

Also, keep insisting that the buff to destroyers made ALL the difference.

And given your expertise in 2 character ganking, how many will it take to kill a hulk? Given the last hulk killed by your group took 7342 in damage before it was dust?

Edit: I also have a question as to the negative effects of being -10. I know you are, subsequently what are the down sides?

It is amusing how you always come to the forums and share your opinion how CCP may save their game yet you have not a single clue how it works.

- You don't know how to calculate the damage for ganking
- You don't know how killboards work because you think it only took 7342 damage (Killboards do not show EHP)
- You don't even know what sec status does.

Here is a link to Pyfa: https://github.com/pyfa-org/Pyfa

Try to work it out yourself and report back how easy it was and how many gank characters it needs. Maybe you will actually learn something about the game this way

An anti-ganker being completely ignorant of the mechanics involved in ganking? Shocker...

I am not sure how this turned into a "grr CODE" flame but it was expected.

Maybe you can show me some of my anti-ganker activities that I have so far been engaged in as it would come as rather a surprise to me.