watch your back
From: Galaxy Duck
Sent: 2016.10.31 19:37
To: m1thr0s,

In response to your recent posting on the EVE forums, you have been placed on the CODE. shortlist of high priority targets.

You and your alts will be tracked and terminated with extreme prejudice.

This list is available not only to all members of the CODE. Alliance but the New Order movement as a whole.

You can get yourself off of the shortlist by posting an apology and retraction in the General Discussion subforum.

Have a nice day. ;)

is there a link to the original post that started this all with CODE?

Im interested in seeing the dynamic of how this all escalated.

OP is just a drama queen

TBH Eve is a woman's game.

OP is just a drama queen

OP is just a drama queen

words

Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply.....
Thus making their point very nicely for them.

OOG information leading to in-game actions is never ever roleplaying, and I don't know of any roleplayer or roleplaying community who would accept and embrace that. No one would ever know my opinions about Eve and women from in game actions. So maybe CODE thinks of themselves as roleplayers but in my opinion it is just a thinly veiled hate campaign through and through. There is not much more to CODE when you examine their rhetoric and in light of this obvious direct attack at women's rights. Whereas, with the Mittani it's bonafide Space Lord gameplay, starry eyed sights on territory dominance with a side of light roleplaying. The only thing I have ever heard "Goons" hating on officially, publically is red-pillers, people who use the word ******, and various bigots.

If, while in OOC, you overheard someone telling someone else about murdering another character, you cannot use this information IG. That's also why I hate hanging out in OOC chatrooms in the game because Eve players are notorious for spilling the beans on their characters all the #!@@ time. It's like spoilers for my favorite shows. The roleplay in Eve would be much better if people would stop talking about every little detail about their character, it ruins the mystery and I lose all of my interest in examining that character in character.

What CODE did was much different. They read an OOC post by person, that they didn't like (promoting the rights of women in Eve and praising gentlemen who keep the few women Eve has around) and sent an IN game correspondence threatening to PVP with that person in retaliation.

That is by no definition any kind of roleplaying. It's not even meta roleplaying, since it wasn't information about what my CHARACTERS think. In fact they even went so far as to say they would attack ALL of my characters, hence it was intended as an attack on ME, Izi Ningishzidda, the player of all of these characters. I have never had an interaction with CODE on my characters in game except like I said, noticing this large group carrying a **** CODE tagline in their profiles. (Which are considered to be IC by all RPers in Eve I have met)

Not roleplaying, and they can't hide their hate campaign behind that flimsy excuse anymore, well at least not while I'm around.

I didnt say it was abuse I am a happy PVPer, I am saying it is not roleplaying, your claim.

ok, can you please lend me your 'how to: role play in a video game' hand book/manual. im very sorry for my ignorance.

When I came to Eve I was astonished at how awesome the community was. But there was a dark side. There is a constant barrage of hatred being spewed against several demographics:

1. Those who play World of Warcraft
2. Those who roleplay
3. Those who enjoy relaxing in highsec, mining, ratting, PI work, trading
4. Goons

A half a year ago some of my friends were confused why I joined Imperium, after chatting with a woman I admired who admitted to having her main there. After studying them from afar for quite some time (at least six months) I had decided they were the most moral corporation - even despite the controversies. They offer power to the players, and possibly the most impressively inclusive enviroment I have ever seen, and the highest female to male ratio I had seen.

The four categories I just listed are all things that women like to do. WoW has over 30% female retention, huge in gaming. In Eve, if you want to find the women, just go to any Out-of-Character roleplaying channel, or visit Intergalactic Summit on the boards. The chances are very high a woman is playing the character, or if not, a very intellectual male, both heterosexual and homosexual alike. Roleplaying is difficult and a good improv actor needs to be intuitive. Women tend to be very intuitive.

OOG information leading to in-game actions is never ever roleplaying, and I don't know of any roleplayer or roleplaying community who would accept and embrace that. No one would ever know my opinions about Eve and women from in game actions. So maybe CODE thinks of themselves as roleplayers but in my opinion it is just a thinly veiled hate campaign through and through. There is not much more to CODE when you examine their rhetoric and in light of this obvious direct attack at women's rights. Whereas, with the Mittani it's bonafide Space Lord gameplay, starry eyed sights on territory dominance with a side of light roleplaying. The only thing I have ever heard "Goons" hating on officially, publically is red-pillers, people who use the word ******, and various bigots.

If, while in OOC, you overheard someone telling someone else about murdering another character, you cannot use this information IG. That's also why I hate hanging out in OOC chatrooms in the game because Eve players are notorious for spilling the beans on their characters all the #!@@ time. It's like spoilers for my favorite shows. The roleplay in Eve would be much better if people would stop talking about every little detail about their character, it ruins the mystery and I lose all of my interest in examining that character in character.

What CODE did was much different. They read an OOC post by person, that they didn't like (promoting the rights of women in Eve and praising gentlemen who keep the few women Eve has around) and sent an IN game correspondence threatening to PVP with that person in retaliation.

That is by no definition any kind of roleplaying. It's not even meta roleplaying, since it wasn't information about what my CHARACTERS think. In fact they even went so far as to say they would attack ALL of my characters, hence it was intended as an attack on ME, Izi Ningishzidda, the player of all of these characters. I have never had an interaction with CODE on my characters in game except like I said, noticing this large group carrying a **** CODE tagline in their profiles. (Which are considered to be IC by all RPers in Eve I have met)

Not roleplaying, and they can't hide their hate campaign behind that flimsy excuse anymore, well at least not while I'm around.

hint: CODE. are major role players

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You cannot place restrictions on what a person can and cannot include in their roleplaying. For Code, they roleplay as enforcers of the Code and the betterment of Hisec, and not as characters within a game. Therefore, everything that happens, in and out of the game, is included in their roleplay, all the while staying in character.

I had decided [goons] were the most moral corporation...

Well, that's as far as I got.

Hint: they are roleplaying jerks.

then they are not roleplaying inside eve they are being thugs within the meta of eve


(
( meta rp here be code
(rp here be eve lore and IC forums this is considered EvE RP )
) meta meta ie RL outside eve meta the rest of us
)



am i getting your explanation right ?

I had suspected that CODE was driven not just by hatred thinly veiled by a faux-righteousness, I suppose easily dismissed as a jest or such, but was actually a symptom of Eve's problem with women and all of the other orientalism that the West has been fighting since the fall of Ancient Greece.

So what?

They can roleplay whatever they like. If they choose to roleplay jerks in game, that's fine. Better than being one out of game.

But If you are roleplaying a jerk, you are a jerk. At least in game. Else you are just a bad roleplayer.

are you by chance, RPing somebody to be high?

When I came to Eve I was astonished at how awesome the community was. But there was a dark side. There is a constant barrage of hatred being spewed against several demographics:

1. Those who play World of Warcraft
2. Those who roleplay
3. Those who enjoy relaxing in highsec, mining, ratting, PI work, trading
4. Goons

Edit: Another thing I'd like to add: The whole concept of the "gentleman" is an inherently sexist one. If the sexes are equal, why should women act like "ladies" and men act like "gentlemen"? Why would a man treat a woman any other way than he would everyone else? The other way around, why would a woman treat a man any other way than she would everyone else?

you say this as if it's a bad thing (as long as it's in-game only).

This always makes me wonder.... We are equal. Why you want special treatment from me?

This always makes me wonder.... We are equal. Why you want special treatment from me?

a gentleman and a lady treats both sexes the same with respect and fellowship.. how about that ?

I could agree to that, if those terms were used and understood that way, but they aren't.

Women are cool.
Men are cool.
Hamsters with internet accounts on the other hand, are not cool.

Down with hamsters. Return them to their natural habitrail environment.

Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply.....
Thus making their point very nicely for them.

if you want to find the women, just go to any Out-of-Character roleplaying channel, or visit Intergalactic Summit on the boards. The chances are very high a woman is playing the character, or if not, a very intellectual male...

I suspect that it was a conscious decision.

As for the thread: As a solo-player, I usually don't care about the sex of whoever tries to make my day in Eve more interesting.

I have never played WOW, so cannot say whether the comm there is so anti-sexist that this is the reason for the better female retention.

To blow the sexist horn though: I assume it's more to do with characters that are not spaceships than the actual community.

To give this thread a much needed spin: WIS is the solution!

i wish i was on codes shortlist of high priority targets, god i wish i was a target.

doesnt matter how much i troll these scrubs on the forums i never get that mail, why do i never get that mail duck?

Yet you use casually sexist language that attacks women as weak in your reply.....
Thus making their point very nicely for them.

And I would expect no less of the Eve online crowd given what I've seen, it's practically institutionalized misogyny. And anti-semitism, and anti-autism, anti-suicidals. Your game has the most disgusting culture in the gaming community just under League of Legends.

In the Op original post there was a quote from Galaxy Duck/Code

TBH he should really stfu as making a remark like that via email is classed as a breach of EULA based on bullying/harassment. To pretty much chase your alts and force you into making an apology. Send a mail back telling him to go -ú$%6 himself :)

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Are you a woman? In that case I'd say it is certainly because they hate women and discriminate against you.

OP is just a drama queen

So wait... Some guy sent you an EVE mail that could amount to harassment. Instead of forwarding it to the appropriate people in CCP and ignoring it, you draw attention to it and to CODE. Congrats. You played right into their game. You gave them the attention they craved. You gave them more fuel and more reason to feel self important.

When will people realize that the fastest way to make a bully go away is to not give them the attention they crave?

im a vegan

So wait... Some guy sent you an EVE mail that could amount to harassment. Instead of forwarding it to the appropriate people in CCP and ignoring it, you draw attention to it and to CODE. Congrats. You played right into their game. You gave them the attention they craved. You gave them more fuel and more reason to feel self important.

When will people realize that the fastest way to make a bully go away is to not give them the attention they crave?

wrong, fastest way to get a bully to go away is shoot him in the face

mail sent

So last night I posted a thread about how Eve is full of great gentlemen and sportsmen who keep the few women Eve has playing this game.

I have never been in a single corp or fleet chat where a comment has not been made at some point in an operation about the rarity of women in Eve, the value that females bring to the experience of Eve, and how much men long to hear a female voice on comms or just have a female friend to talk to.

I love talking to gentlemen and [...] I also love a good lighthearted flirting session in Eve. Those who have flown with me [...] nonsexually appreciate my feminine advice on their everyday problems irl.

"I agree that we should see more skilled female capsuleers as deadly adversaries and the builders of empires. When most prospective players read up on EVE, they see forum chestpounding, killboard braggadocio, nullsec pissing contests. That stuff tends to attract one gender more frequently than the other. Perhaps the sentiment that we should cast more light on EVE's subtle and artful 'soft skillsets' is not far offbase."

Dessau
The Scope

"its mostly about the swathes of "men" acting like boys , showing their *beep*ers around as if they need to prove something they don't seem to have: general decency/manners, some empathy

I meet plenty of nice, talktative and understanding guys ingame , but they only get out of their 'closet' *cough* if they feel comfy enough, and no they dont necesarilly know I'm female because I dont tell people, it's because people ask, I get introduced by other pilots. Ocassionaly I hint at it or make a forum post like now because the perspective gets lost here way too quick "

[...] "If you don't understand this or even think I am full of misandry you now know the simple reasons why most 'women' prefer to fly around cloaky, literally (You probably met more than you think, doesnt mean they tell you)"

Mercurye
Siesta Inc.

GÇ£While there are more women in the world than men, there are significantly less female players in EVE Online than male. Gals are as little as 3.8% of all EVE subscriptions.GÇ¥

Lililiari Aaken
Crossing Zebras (.com)

"I know I'm lucky to have found such an awesome alliance to be a part of, and I'm proud to say I'm part of Shadow Cartel, because they are some of the most upstanding people I know. Never had any issues from any of them, and that is awesome. I hope more chicks can find a spot, like me, that they feel comfortable."

Naughty Cargo

"I'm interested in what women who do play eve over a long period like about it & how they play, and maybe CCP reflecting on how to launch a broader marketing platform to communicate the opportunity. Improving gender balance will just make Eve a better environment all round"

Penork

"The podcaster then went on to say, in the same disarmingly plain voice, that this womanGÇÖs focus on the sociological aspects of EVE Online is the reason his corporation created a very simple rule. No women allowed. Except he didnGÇÖt say GÇ£no women allowed,GÇ¥ he said something much more vulgar that I donGÇÖt care to repeat even over the Internet.

My brain took a few seconds to process exactly what this guy had said. At first, I thought I must have completely misunderstood this manGÇÖs intentions. I was obviously hearing things, and I had best go see an audiologist. The other host, however, enthusiastically agreed with everything that was just said.

I had one quick reaction. I reached over to my car stereo and hit the power button. I then unplugged the auxiliary cable from my smartphone. My jaw literally dropped a little bit. I drove the rest of the way home in silence, my mouth slightly agape from that dropped jaw. A few times on the ride home, I spoke one word to myself.

GÇ£Wow.GÇ¥"

Drewson Houten
TEST
The Mittani (.com)


"The Entertainment Software Association now puts women at 47% of the general game-playing public. Those 47% are definitely not all playing EVE. Women are rare in EVE Online. How rare? Current authoritative statistics are not readily available. In a 2006 interview, CCP CMO Magnus Bergsson said 95% of the EVE Online player base was male. A 2012 EVE social capital study reported 96.1% males amongst the 541 players surveyed. The sample size is small, but it is suggestive that the gender ratio has not changed much since 2006. This contrasts sharply with World of Warcraft (WoW) where studies regularly report 20GÇô30% female participation."

Eingang (Eingang on Twitter)
The Mittani (.com)

"No sexist bullshit allowed."

Arrendis
The Mittani (.com)

And that should answer two questions:

Why does Eve hate Goons?

Why do Goons attract so many women and girls?



Go on, CODE. try making a list of quotes from YOUR camp and see how it sounds. Even when it was just about miners and not about girls it sounded like old fashioned hatred not just "All in good fun PVP"

"F*** every carebear in this game."

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