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Svarun
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Posted - 2003.12.23 11:46:00 -
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Well, Castor has brought many changes to industrial ship. Undisputed reign of Bestower and Iteron MKV is over, Mammoth and Badger MK2 became very viable. Considering the 50% base increase to cargo, additional low slots of Mammoth and MK2 and 5% cargo bonus per level for _all_ indies, what do you think is the best all around hauler for every day use, if someone doesnt want to spend a month training for MK V? I am currently contemplating switching from Bestower to Mammoth, mainly because of comparable cargo hold and much lower weight of later one, but would like to hear oppinion of you guys before.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.23 11:49:00 -
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I am glad the reign of bestower is over , tough i was using it.
I think i will start using Iteron IV, i think its now a bit better then bestower.
Got no minmater skills to consider minmater ships
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.23 13:14:00 -
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Personally I use Badger MK2. The medslots saved my life quite a few times and they generally make the badger very flexible. It¦s a shame that there aren¦t any higher level caldari industrials 
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MRPape
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Posted - 2003.12.23 16:00:00 -
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i love my new mammy 13000 cargo with expanders......
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 16:05:00 -
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Mammoth:
1 Small CL5 Shield Overload
1 1Mn MWD
2 Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Aftrburners
1 Eutectic II Capacitor Charge Array
3 Cap Relays
1 Local Hull Conversion: Power Diagnostic
Cargo: 6750
Max Speed: 432m/s
1/2 The cargo of a fully expanded Mammoth and about 4x the speed. Who said more cargo made sense after Castor? 
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.12.23 20:51:00 -
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The Bestower was certainly knocked off its perch, but the Iteron mk 5 still reigns supreme at the top of the ladder - 1055ms with 7500 cargo space 
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:41:00 -
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The Bestower was certainly knocked off its perch, but the Iteron mk 5 still reigns supreme at the top of the ladder - 1055ms with 7500 cargo space
How long can you sustain that?
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Falnaerith
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Posted - 2003.12.23 22:25:00 -
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Hmmm, guessing a y-t8 on the it V with 5 reactor controls.
It's not a bad config and you can sustain it to the gate. By the time you get to the next, you'll have enough cap to do it again.
Would suggest med slot cap rechargers though.
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Dark NovaWolf
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Posted - 2003.12.23 23:01:00 -
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I could have sworn that CCP said that we would be able to Microwarps on ALL of the indy classes. So much for what they said we would have with this patch.
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.24 00:27:00 -
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I could have sworn that CCP said that we would be able to Microwarps on ALL of the indy classes. So much for what they said we would have with this patch.
Using a 1Mn MWD on my indy atm. Can't make 150mw power to fit a 10Mn. Then again, I don't really need it either.
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
Cao Cao
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Posted - 2003.12.24 02:15:00 -
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I have loved the mammoth since I first started using one back in June. I especially recommend it now that it has been improved.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.12.24 05:35:00 -
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Hmmm, guessing a y-t8 on the it V with 5 reactor controls.
It's not a bad config and you can sustain it to the gate. By the time you get to the next, you'll have enough cap to do it again.
Would suggest med slot cap rechargers though.
Correct on all counts. It uses 2 mwd cycles to reach a gate, so i can keep it up pretty much indefinitely in that respect.
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Ankh
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Posted - 2003.12.24 11:26:00 -
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I have flown the mammoth for months, and its a great ship. Post-castor improvements help re: cargo volume, but I still can't QUITE fit a 10MN mwd, it needs one more low slot for that I think.
I just finished training Gallente indy V and am now the proud owner of an Iteron V. And I love it - the 10MN mwd makes it fly like my pre-castor mammoth, and the cargo hold is HUGE, nuff said.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:17:00 -
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the only good thing about this is the increase in hull space my MarkV has 5 medium slots but i can only fit 2 10mn Afterburners what about the other 3 slots? i mean wtf?
I can't add anymore without sacrificeing a low slot or 2 and the indy now only moves at 267m/s?!? compared to 500m/s!! what's the point here?
This was the same problem with the Iteron Mark IV. now all the indys in the game have the problem? Does this make sense to anyone?
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Jash Illian
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:26:00 -
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the only good thing about this is the increase in hull space my MarkV has 5 medium slots but i can only fit 2 10mn Afterburners what about the other 3 slots? i mean wtf?
I can't add anymore without sacrificeing a low slot or 2 and the indy now only moves at 267m/s?!? compared to 500m/s!! what's the point here?
This was the same problem with the Iteron Mark IV. now all the indys in the game have the problem? Does this make sense to anyone?
Makes complete sense: You're too greedy
I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather **** my enemy.- Rohann
Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!- Lallante |
OmegaTron
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:28:00 -
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Makes complete sense: You're too greedy
shhhh....don't tell anyone
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Darsk'hul
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Posted - 2003.12.24 15:22:00 -
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Bestower, 4xColdgas Arcjet, 4xAlpha hull mod cargo ext : 360m/s and 8600m3 of cargo.
It's more than enough for me 
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Ankh
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ankh on 24/12/2003 16:55:02
Omegatron, try 1MN mwd's in the med slots.
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Bobby Wilson
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:11:00 -
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Those who like to AFK indys about may want to switch to a Badger II now that gate rats are back in. All them shields are really nice :)
BW
Originally by: Selim
Cool, congrats.
Oh, stupid idea by the way.
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Earthan
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Posted - 2003.12.24 22:55:00 -
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the only good thing about this is the increase in hull space my MarkV has 5 medium slots but i can only fit 2 10mn Afterburners what about the other 3 slots? i mean wtf?
I can't add anymore without sacrificeing a low slot or 2 and the indy now only moves at 267m/s?!? compared to 500m/s!! what's the point here?
This was the same problem with the Iteron Mark IV. now all the indys in the game have the problem? Does this make sense to anyone?
Those slots are supposed to other , defensive equipment not only speed.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.12.25 09:35:00 -
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Try sticking a civilian shield booster in every unused mid slot. They have minimal fitting requirements, and 2 or 3 of them operating at once will protect you from any NPC gate pirates you run into. Or else you might try a sensor dampener if you have the room... imagine how annoyed a 0.4 camper sitting 65km from a gate would be if he suddenly had to get in sentry gun range to shoot you... 
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Arciadian
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Posted - 2003.12.26 05:49:00 -
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I still use the bestower. I have 15000 cargo +/- and I use 1 10MN AB and 1 1MN MWD and 2 small cap batteries in my medium slots. With the right skills this setup can get you close to 300 m/s till you reach the gate easy and still have all you cargo. I just wait till the AB is kicking in good then I hit the MWD. Not great but very good for the big hauls.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2003.12.26 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ankh on 24/12/2003 16:55:02
Omegatron, try 1MN mwd's in the med slots.
ok i gave it a try and reached the speed of 723m/s ...for 2 seconds cap ran out but thx anyways
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2003.12.26 13:41:00 -
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Quote:
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the only good thing about this is the increase in hull space my MarkV has 5 medium slots but i can only fit 2 10mn Afterburners what about the other 3 slots? i mean wtf?
I can't add anymore without sacrificeing a low slot or 2 and the indy now only moves at 267m/s?!? compared to 500m/s!! what's the point here?
This was the same problem with the Iteron Mark IV. now all the indys in the game have the problem? Does this make sense to anyone?
Those slots are supposed to other , defensive equipment not only speed.
speed is my defense can't hit something u can't catch
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Gan Ning
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Posted - 2003.12.26 15:21:00 -
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I could do 600/ms in my MKV with 5 expanders in before Castor.
Now I can't.
A MkV was just about worth the training time before Castor.
Now it's not.
I used to like Tomb before Castor.
Now I...
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Morin
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Posted - 2003.12.26 16:57:00 -
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may I note that the Mk5 is by far the biggest indy in the game? And the better your expander the better it gets.
Sure, you are unable to manage 200m/s with full cargo expanders, but with local hulls, you get your cargo over 25k! AND you have plenty of grid left to fit sieldboosters, hardeners, and even a GUN, so you can shoot down gate rats instead of run from them.
Sure, if you run in a pc gate pirate, you die. Every indy does. BUT, the mk5 is still by far the best indy, and worth the training time.
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:16:00 -
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I could do 600/ms in my MKV with 5 expanders in before Castor.
Now I can't.
A MkV was just about worth the training time before Castor.
Now it's not.
I used to like Tomb before Castor.
Now I...
i agree
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.01.02 13:21:00 -
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may I note that the Mk5 is by far the biggest indy in the game? And the better your expander the better it gets.
Sure, you are unable to manage 200m/s with full cargo expanders, but with local hulls, you get your cargo over 25k! AND you have plenty of grid left to fit sieldboosters, hardeners, and even a GUN, so you can shoot down gate rats instead of run from them.
Sure, if you run in a pc gate pirate, you die. Every indy does. BUT, the mk5 is still by far the best indy, and worth the training time.
i do not agree after Castor all mods drain alot more cap than before and trying to use a shield booster and hardner with a/b's on would drain my cap so fast that all the mods would shut down and i would be a sitting duck 15k or more from the jumpgate doing (if i'm lucky) 87m/s
them 2k or 3k rats a the gate would toast me easy nevermind player pirates
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Matthew Johnson
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:24:00 -
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I got for speed. Not cargo. Flying an Iteron MK V with 4 Reactor controls, one 20% expander, 10 MN MWD, small shield booster, one battery.
Leaves 2 high slots and 2 medium slots unused, because I have no PG left.
Cargo is then exactly 9000, so 3 giant cons fit perfectly, bringing me 3*3900 cargo altogether with an Top-Speed of 920 m/s.
Because I fly in 0.0 I dont use rare modules, exept the 20% expander, but these are not so expensive on the market.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:39:00 -
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On a Mk V fill those mid slots with a 10mn MWD and Mid slot cap rechargers.
Works a treat.
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