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Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2012.01.19 03:21:00 -
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retribution went from obsolete. toooo obsolete |
Ziester
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 14:22:00 -
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EIther way, Neuts will have it again. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2012.01.24 12:40:00 -
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Lunkwill Khashour wrote:I agree that the MWD bonus is a little disappointing. All AF's gain an extra slot but none of them gain grid increases and only some a CPU increase. I don't know how hard some of the AF's are to fit atm but it'll become more difficult.
Wolf wolf wolf grrrr, wolf wolf, grrrr.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
241
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Posted - 2012.01.24 17:43:00 -
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I'm not sure what to think of these changes.
Is there an eft like program that has them?
MWD change might basically amount to the tracking equivalent of a normal ab in close range due to the agility problems mwds cause. Plus they can now be scrammed and cap will be even more of an issue. However when you overheat that mwd you will likely cause allot of tracking issues.
These may be tier3 bc killers.
Getting neuted out is one of the main weaknesses of flying afs against cruisers now and I am not sure many of the changes address this. In fact they seem to exagerate this weakness. (which may be appropriate) Sure you can add a cap injector but the cpu and grid didn't increase. Plus if the cruiser has a web and scram you might still have problems in close. You definitely will have problems if you dont have a scram of your own.
It does seem like there will be allot of powerfull kiting fits though.
Interesting changes. Ill admit I don't know what to make of it until I can start efting them.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Captain Nares
O3 Corporation
28
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:15:00 -
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It is easier to give better stats than to give some role  |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:22:00 -
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I think at this point its time to just demonstrate it. I'm going to continue spending tons of time in my favorite non-logi ship class... and I'm going to continue killing entire gangs with it.
I came up with a Harpy fit last night that is just flat better than my old Harpy fit in every possible way. Muahahahaha...
-Liang
Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?)
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Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:28:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Is there an eft like program that has them?
EFT 2.14.2 has the new AFs in them. Under Ships->Assault Ships, there are both the new versions and the old versions.
Eg. TEST Harpy is the new one, Harpy is the old one. Some VERY nice new fits possible. nom nom nom.
Not overly happy with MWD sig buff, but I can understand it. AB boost would be OP, so they had to give something else. I can see MWD sig buff helping with AFs being used as heavy tacklers in fleet combat but that's a little niche.
That said, there is already enough goodness in the slot additions and bonus improvements for AF fans to rejoice.
I can't believe how much more interesting frigates are looking now with a much wider diversity of contenders for top frigate than before. Good job. And the value-to-cost ratio of AFs is finally making more sense.
Fly dangerously, have fun! |
TuxedoMask
The Riot Formation
Get Off My Lawn
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:28:00 -
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Darthewok wrote:Cearain wrote:Is there an eft like program that has them? EFT 2.14.2 has the new AFs in them. Under Ships->Assault Ships, there are both the new versions and the old versions.
Its operator error on my part, but I downloaded the EFT dated; (Released: 17 Jan 2012) and i dont see the new AF on there, Still shows the Ret with one mid |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 19:42:00 -
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Gripen wrote:New AFs added as separate ships called "TEST Vengeance", "TEST Retribution", etc. Same with "TEST Null" ammo. If you don't have them make sure you've correctly replaced all the files during update.
From Page 16 of the EFT thread. Anyway you could just wait till the new version of EFT comes out. EFT/Gripen rocks! |
Khrage
82
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Posted - 2012.01.25 06:57:00 -
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so anyone else fitting up a vengeance now? how are people handling the new grid issues that comp with fitting another high slot mod? or just strapping something on as a heatsink? |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
97
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Posted - 2012.01.25 07:37:00 -
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Khrage wrote:so anyone else fitting up a vengeance now? how are people handling the new grid issues that comp with fitting another high slot mod? or just strapping something on as a heatsink?
MIne is
high
4 rocket T2
1 small NOS T2
mid
1 1mn meta 2 MWD
1 Webber T2
1 scrambler T2
low
1 breifcase T2
1 coreli A-type therm plate
2 small armor repper T2
rigs
2 missile damage rigs
It all seems to fit just fine 
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q
221
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Posted - 2012.01.25 07:49:00 -
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I'm sitting here on a night shift w/o access to eft. What is the DPS and tank numbers of that vengeance? |
McRoll
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
28
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:14:00 -
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I eft warriored a bit yesterday and it seems to me that Harpy is the new "overall best" AF now, with rails and blasters. This is in terms of gank, tank and easyness to fit. Vengeance and Hawk are the tankiest ones (active), the others are ok'ish but don't offer enough advantages over the Harpy. |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet
97
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Posted - 2012.01.25 08:38:00 -
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same here nite audit
so here are my numbers from earlier to day
148DPS w/rage
123DPS w/normal
64em 74th 76ken 84ex
6433 EPH
caps out in 19sec
2341mps
The EPH was with out my reps worked in so It felt like more. The cap only has a negative draw of 17 so with a repper or MWD off and the nos running its stable at between 11-29%.
I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Darthewok
Perkone
Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.25 09:31:00 -
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Just tried the new Retribution in battle and I must say it is decent now.
Still needs another mid, but quite nice. |
Zarnak Wulf
CTRL-Q
221
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Posted - 2012.01.25 09:42:00 -
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The Retribution should ideally be the answer to the Harpy and Hawk. |
Khrage
89
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:47:00 -
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Rel'k Bloodlor wrote:Khrage wrote:so anyone else fitting up a vengeance now? how are people handling the new grid issues that comp with fitting another high slot mod? or just strapping something on as a heatsink? MIne is high 4 rocket T2 1 small NOS T2 mid 1 1mn meta 2 MWD 1 Webber T2 1 scrambler T2 low 1 breifcase T2 1 coreli A-type therm plate 2 small armor repper T2 rigs 2 missile damage rigs It all seems to fit just fine
you're still over grid with that. do u have any implants in? with that fit you can go with a 'knave' nos and make it all fit, or some complex reppers, digital boost rockets, etc. but having a limited MWD, t2 nos, 2 t2 reps, and 4 t2 rockets is over.
but still thanks for showing the fit, it still shows one way to fit it. |
Ehn Roh
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.25 17:50:00 -
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I haven't flown one in years so I must admit to getting neuted by a belt rat.  Not a problem, since they can't touch me anyways, but embarrassing. |
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