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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:56:49
Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:54:40
The threads have dropped, the votes are in, both yea and nay and all the flaming / whining / debate / arguments / praise / screams in between. I don't know about you but i've no idea what the "final score" was. It *seemed* about split, going by the twin stickies. But who knows?
Post here with a single line or three if you would like a dev response.
Now, i know a few will be toolboxes and post page-and-a-half long rants. Can't be helped. Do try to avoid getting sucked in. Ignore it.
Start your OWN thread for pet peeve. What would be most effective here would be a quick 20 "signed"s in a row per page. Our concerns are known, and if they AREN'T, well, if they ain't read them yet they sure ain't readin' them here!  . So keep it short and clean. Maybe someone will answer.
Any violation of the forum rules WILL be reported.
Do not address Mods or their actions.
Do not address GMs or petitions.
Do nothing to provide an excuse for locking or deletion.
Thank you.
EDIT: Help for the Cluifically Challenged: this is a PETITION. Getitng 3 sigs and waiting for a response is not the intent or the purpose. It could easily be after new years' before they're ready to comment, and i'm curious to see how many people sign by then, over time. Obviously this concept escapes many who pass up no opportunity to be toolboxes, but that's OK. All actions described above will be taken.
EDIT two: to him what mentioned daily forum conversations. Great googly mooglies, i don't expect or want them to wade into this fray or any other. "Communication" takes, as you may not be aware, many forms. The Dev Blog, frex, has a name that seems remarkably similar to a way someone called a "dev" could "log" some ideas where we can all read them  .
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:31:00 -
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I'd also like to know whether miners loved/hated the patch in greater numbers than pvp'ers who loved/hated the patch.
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Lockheed
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:39:00 -
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Josh, there are always going to be more cattle than wolves. Just every now and then, the wolves find a bull, and they get wounded. well looks like aboutl 300 legit hates to 100 actually its a lot more both sides percentage wise. 3 to 1 is a bad thing. 25% of current users are ok with, but dont love castor. lol. That could cripple eve back to beta.. OOOPS that is where we are now. There are many that never read the posts. Heck I did not for first 4 mos.
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HRose
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:50:00 -
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I'm always in when it comes to have more honest communication.
HRose
- I'm Italian so sorry for mistakes and bad english -
- All that i say is *always* imho -
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IIllIllIlIllllIlIlIllIlI
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:55:00 -
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Let the devs celebrate christmas - dammit !!!!
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.12.23 21:59:00 -
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EVE's DEVs are more active in the game forums than any other game developers I have ever seen. Ever try to communicate with an EverQuest DEV? How about AC, DAoC, or any of the other mainstream MMORPGs? It's next to impossible, it's like an inmate trying to get a chance to talk to the warden, but instead he just gets beat down by a bunch of angry guards and thrown in solitary for three weeks where he has to fight the rats for scraps of moldy bread.
Seriously, "petitions" are generally designed to call attention to things that people aren't doing well. The DeVs participate daily in forum discussions and I don't think we need to pressure them into spending any more time on the boards than they already do.
Veruna Caseti
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HRose
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Posted - 2003.12.23 22:12:00 -
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So, if 'everyone' is doing something bad you are justified to persist in the same error?
Good luck.
HRose
- I'm Italian so sorry for mistakes and bad english -
- All that i say is *always* imho -
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Nalias
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Posted - 2003.12.23 22:53:00 -
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/signed
Times like this are when the playerbase needs feedback the most. This is not the time for the devs to plug their ears and hope it all just goes away.
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.12.23 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 23/12/2003 22:59:47
HRose said:
So, if 'everyone' is doing something bad you are justified to persist in the same error?
No, but since I clearly pointed out that the EVE Developers participate a great deal more than 'everyone' else, I fail to see the sense in your question.
Nalias said:
Times like this are when the playerbase needs feedback the most. This is not the time for the devs to plug their ears and hope it all just goes away.
"Plug their ears?"
I can only assume you don't frequent the forums (or you're a new player), and just posted here because you have made inaccurate assumptions about the DEVs participation in discussions here. Anyone who checks these forums on a daily basis knows the developers read them and respond, which is more than can be said for almost every other MMORPG out there.
Veruna Caseti
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.12.23 23:00:00 -
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Getting a little bit flamesome in here.
Behave or Bad Harlequin will use his Evil Stare of DOOM to warn you.
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2003.12.23 23:13:00 -
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I don't know about you but i've no idea what the "final score" was. It *seemed* about split, going by the twin stickies. But who knows?
I do - and I've decided that you all loved the patch - now carry on with your business.
On a serious note though - I think people tend to whinge more than praise on these forums (and in general) - so a 50% 50% split of posts may not reflect peoples true feelings in general. Those having fun may be too busy to post.
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Have some
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Posted - 2003.12.23 23:20:00 -
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When the patch was first applied I was one of the ones who hated it, and posted on these forums to that extent. Given some time to actually play the game I am slowly coming around to it.
I agree that the devs here are the most communicative I have come across in any game. The people who spend half a thread slagging them off and then demand an answer form them get the response i think they deserve (None). Whereas the people who politely raise a valid point do seem to get a speedy response from them.
Now what does that tell you?
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HRose
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Posted - 2003.12.23 23:54:00 -
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Considering that the tutorial drivers every new player to be stuck and that many bugs are still in the game from beta 3 I wonder what you consider 'bad communication'.
Remember when in dev chat peoples complained about bugs after 10 pages of posts on the boards and thousand of petitions and bug reports?
Dev's answer: It's the first time I hear about this.
Indeed. This is really a perfect communication.
HRose
- I'm Italian so sorry for mistakes and bad english -
- All that i say is *always* imho -
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Veruna Caseti
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Posted - 2003.12.24 00:12:00 -
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Indeed. This is really a perfect communication.
Perfect? No, of course not.
Better than just about every other game out there, and hence not really anything to complain about? Yes, absolutely.
Veruna Caseti
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Stradivarious Hawke
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Posted - 2003.12.24 09:51:00 -
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I agree with Veruna ..
Some of the devs choices might be questionable ( where is autotrain ?  , etc etc  ) but they seem to be way more active than those from other games .
I've played daoc for a bit and I can swear that I've never seen a dev in game once ( they might play disguised though, no idea ).
On the other hand ,here ,I saw TomB in game and actually spoke with him ( even though I was just a very new player back then and didn't have anything interesting to say ).
Cheers !
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Shittake
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:00:00 -
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I would definately like a dev repsonse on whether more liked it or not. I like some parts of Castor, hate that my entire corp can no longer function in Venal.
PS: Fix these stupid forums which take forever to load. Instead of getting a freeware forum package and slapping your own colors on it, get something better . . build it if you must. I won 3 games of solitaire waiting for this thread to load.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:12:00 -
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I've already recieved help on these forums from devs since the patch, so I'm a happy camper. (pun intended (it's christmas))
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:12:00 -
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I would definately like a dev repsonse on whether more liked it or not. I like some parts of Castor, hate that my entire corp can no longer function in Venal.
PS: Fix these stupid forums which take forever to load. Instead of getting a freeware forum package and slapping your own colors on it, get something better . . build it if you must. I won 3 games of solitaire waiting for this thread to load.
oh...
was instantaneous here.
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Vegeta
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:14:00 -
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Best patch ever.
2005.04.25 16:40:42 combat Your 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II perfectly strikes LawrenceNewton [WARAG], wrecking for 2706.9 damage.
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2003.12.24 10:25:00 -
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good patch, building blocks to launch eve for what it was meant to be.
but for gods sake - sort out agents.
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Killgorde
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Posted - 2003.12.24 11:46:00 -
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Polling on forums is inaccurate - peeps are more inclined to use forums if they have a gripe.
A far better (and extremely precise) way for CCP to gauge the opinion of the players is to have a compulsory "Does Castor (or any other issue they want to survey) get your approval" vote on the log-in screen when entering the game. One vote for every active player account. I for one wouldn't mind taking a 10 second time out on start-up to give my verdict on any key issue. Whether CCP are interested or not in accurately establishing how their changes are being received by the community is another issue.
With the above implemented no one can complain if the game isn't tuned to their personal preference (ok - there will always be some).
It would be nice to have a game who's changes to dynamics is determined collectively by the majority of the paying customers rather than a vocal minority who CCP appear to want to appease (an example in this patch is the travelling time-sink for everyone to enhance PvP for the minority - a serious no-no for the many who have limited time to play).
It would also help the many feel that they have input, and give Pann a reason to exist. Hell, it may even stop some hitting the "cancel subscription" button. And that wouldn't be a bad thing...
Killgorde
CEO - Cutting Edge Incorporated
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Jericho
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Posted - 2003.12.24 14:15:00 -
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DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else.
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ProphetGuru
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:29:00 -
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DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else.
lol, now that was good. /me writes that one down.
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:49:13
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Edited by: Veruna Caseti on 23/12/2003 22:59:47
Everything you've posted is offtopic and you clearly did not read my post which defined things most clearly. Edit all your posts to an /against or /unsigned or /opposed, or i will report them. There will be no double-standards here.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:50:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:52:57
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DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else.
The only thing i fry at work are spammers and the occasional brain of an underqualified "administrator."
edit: nm, forget the warning. You had your chance in my original post. Already reported.
You all obviously think i'm kidding. That's ok. Try me some more and see.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:58:00 -
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I don't know about you but i've no idea what the "final score" was. It *seemed* about split, going by the twin stickies. But who knows?
I do - and I've decided that you all loved the patch - now carry on with your business.
On a serious note though - I think people tend to whinge more than praise on these forums (and in general) - so a 50% 50% split of posts may not reflect peoples true feelings in general. Those having fun may be too busy to post.
Yeah, but the whiners tend to polarize 'casual' proponents into staunch defenders, so... there's a research paper in here somewhere, i know it
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 16:59:00 -
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Better than just about every other game out there, and hence not really anything to complain about? Yes, absolutely.
Wow.
So if all computers fry their mobos after 3 years, and someone markets one that fries after 4, this is "not really anything to complain about?"
Please go away.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:01:00 -
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I've already recieved help on these forums from devs since the patch, so I'm a happy camper. (pun intended (it's christmas))
Merry Christmas, drunken donuts. Even when you're a flaming pirate (also intended) you manage not to get (too) personal with people you violently disagree with, and we need more of that...
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Zarthan
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:14:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:52:57
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DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else.
The only thing i fry at work are spammers and the occasional brain of an underqualified "administrator."
edit: nm, forget the warning. You had your chance in my original post. Already reported.
You all obviously think i'm kidding. That's ok. Try me some more and see.
Nice spamming yourself  . In any case these devs are 100% more active then any other i've ever seen. Any patch is going to have whiners who had it good before come complain because somethign is harder for them now. By far 50% of the people who post on the forums are some of the dumbest people i've ever heard. many times people post on issues that the devs have already said are being fixed asap. I think some people just need to get a clue myself.
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2003.12.24 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 24/12/2003 16:52:57
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DUDE... get off the Dev's. They don't bother you at work do they? No, they step to the side and wait for the fries to finish cooking like everyone else.
The only thing i fry at work are spammers and the occasional brain of an underqualified "administrator."
edit: nm, forget the warning. You had your chance in my original post. Already reported.
You all obviously think i'm kidding. That's ok. Try me some more and see.
Nice spamming yourself . In any case these devs are 100% more active then any other i've ever seen. Any patch is going to have whiners who had it good before come complain because somethign is harder for them now. By far 50% of the people who post on the forums are some of the dumbest people i've ever heard. many times people post on issues that the devs have already said are being fixed asap. I think some people just need to get a clue myself.
Ok, good job at stating the obvious... but what's that got to do with this thread?
For all the toolbox postings i predicted with their "preemptive counterflaming," no one's addressed the point, which is simply: what do the devs think of the response, and why haven't they told us? Have things gone as they expected or hoping, whining aside? What do they hope to happen next? What do they think of our concerns? I'd love to know this in a blog entry MUCH more than i need to hear that the ficitonal Minmatar parliament is plugging Tech II release
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