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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:22:00 -
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Hi,
Thank you for finally looking into AF bonuses and finally giving the ret another mid slot. Love you so much for these things.
Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% velocity bonus to Afterburners instead?
Most AF's are pretty tight to fit with AB's as it is. I personally think that an AB bonus would give them a unique role/niche in eve where they'd get used and be able to fit a more beefy tank instead of just being a high DPS interceptor.
Thanks for reading.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

ChaeDoc II
Sigillum Militum Xpisti Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.23 23:45:00 -
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I completely agree with what Zagdul says and am in full support of his suggestions.
Not that he has a gun to my head or anything. |

Gevlin
EXPCS Corp SpaceMonkey's Alliance
50
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:05:00 -
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An after burner bonus would make them different from that of a Interceptor even a 150% bonus would make them more appealing I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |

Techno Pterodactyl
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:10:00 -
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I understand the AB bonus has been on test before, but I was not there for it. Most of my assault friggies use a AB so I would rather have that bonus. |

thoth rothschild
First Aid Emergency Service
43
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Posted - 2011.12.24 00:42:00 -
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ab please yes. Assault frigs are not ment to be used with mwd :p It feels wrong. it is not inovative.
There was a test with ab ages ago but a lot of people were afraid of imbalance. I can understand this fear but i can asure you that there will never ever be fleets of raging assault frigs. the dramiel in its best time was used in hughe amounts but still no raging dramiel fleets :p
I really doubt the assault frig will be the only option to use if it gets the so much needed ab boost. There are destroyers, which will still eat this tiny ship and there is a dramiel and a daredevil.
MWD no for assault frigs, it is easy number crushing change. booring for customers. boring for game design. I have to admit it is the easist and most secure change. There will be no raging customer cloud hounting your dreams. Please reconsider it, it is booring design and far away from assault frigs ideas and usage. |

Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe Band of Abos
218
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Posted - 2011.12.24 02:16:00 -
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Loath as I am to agree with anyone from Failtal Ascension, this is actually a good idea and should be implemented. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2011.12.24 03:41:00 -
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supported.
+ can't wait to use the retirbution as solo ship a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

Techno Pterodactyl
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.24 03:55:00 -
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The AB speed bonus wouldnt even need to be very high to make a formidable improvement. |

Kuronaga
Controlled Substance
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Posted - 2011.12.24 05:40:00 -
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AB bonus is good.
Make it so. |

Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
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Posted - 2011.12.24 06:57:00 -
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In support of an AB bonus, It's what I use personally and I feel it suits the role better. After all these aren't Interceptors, these are the backup, the heavy in your face hitting frigs and we could do with that extra mobility. |

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
12
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Posted - 2011.12.24 10:27:00 -
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While we are at it with such suggestions, I suggest my Megathron get a +10% per level shield resist bonus because I would like my inability to come up with viable fits to be compensated by CCP. I feel it suits the role of Megathrons better. After all, these are not Myrmidons, because Myrmidons use armour so Megathrons should use shield. Megathrons are not meant to be used with armour. It feels wrong. Shield bonus is good. Make it so. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +¡slenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |

Gabriel Karade
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.12.24 11:50:00 -
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A long time ago I explored the possibility of an AB bonus while discussing revisions for the Gallente line-up; the only way it would ever work would be with a corresponding downside - an inertia GÇÿdrawbackGÇÖ was the most sensible (i.e. increased straight-line speed with reduced turning ability), but based on some preliminary testing for every 10% increase in AB bonus you'd need a minimum 5% increase inertia (realistically it would probably have to be nearer to 10%), otherwise the whole thing becomes ridiculously overpowered just as it did when the devs released their version on the test server.
In short, AB bonuses don't really work, hence why you won't ever see them.
Gallente MkII: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1227770 War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293 |

Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.24 18:10:00 -
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+1
Interceptors are the mwd frigs, give AFs an AB bonus |

pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.24 19:30:00 -
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I agree with this thread, make AFs AB not MWD. We already have a MWD specialty frigate. |

Skylitha
Matari Munitions The Fendahlian Collective
0
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Posted - 2011.12.24 22:17:00 -
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+1 AB bonus for assault frigs please. They are not interceptors, This bonus would make my wolf a viable pvp ship again. |

Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel Unprovoked Aggression
11
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Posted - 2011.12.24 23:14:00 -
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giving AFs an mwd bonus is not just stepping on the toes of interceptors is outright crushing them =Z
I can see why the AB bonus would be overpowered easily even though it might not even be that bad anymore with destroyers being a lot better now (still not perfect tho) although AFs are supposed to be a hard counter to the stuff that is bigger then it right?
maybe its time to invent some new bonuses that have not yet been used on another ship
on a side note I think the only way to get people to fly every type of ship is to make them all hard counters to each other i.e. you need to use destroyers or frigates to kill frigates cause they are very hard to kill with bigger ships
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Jaigar
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Transmission Lost
16
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Posted - 2011.12.25 01:26:00 -
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Gabriel Karade wrote:A long time ago I explored the possibility of an AB bonus while discussing revisions for the Gallente line-up; the only way it would ever work would be with a corresponding downside - an inertia GÇÿdrawbackGÇÖ was the most sensible (i.e. increased straight-line speed with reduced turning ability), but based on some preliminary testing for every 10% increase in AB bonus you'd need a minimum 5% increase inertia (realistically it would probably have to be nearer to 10%), otherwise the whole thing becomes ridiculously overpowered just as it did when the devs released their version on the test server.
In short, AB bonuses don't really work, hence why you won't ever see them.
Yup, and you run into the issue of being punished for higher level skills so-to-say. I'd love an AB bonus myself, but its just not needed; hell, getting a 4th ship bonus is enough I feel (and perhaps the mid on the retribution).
However, the last thing you want from frigates and PvP is a Paper-Rock-Scissors deal, where assault ships will always beat X, but be defeated by Y, etc.
Honestly I feel a 50% sig radius reduction on MWD would be bettered suited on EAFs. |

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
57
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Posted - 2011.12.25 05:34:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Hi, Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% velocity bonus to Afterburners instead? That's too much.
A 50% bonus might work, though. 2008, CCP Zulu(park): "command ships are fine as is" 2011, CCP Greyscale: "is the Nighthawk actually underpowered?" Nice progress, guys. |

Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
12
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Posted - 2011.12.25 10:11:00 -
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Thing is, this only changes larger ship damage projection abilities on Assault Frigates. Doesn't shange their mechanics otherwise (You can still scram it). With an afterburner... You have to deal with the speed. Thats potentially game-breaking, while a micro-warp drive sig reduction really isn't. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
302
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Posted - 2011.12.25 17:10:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Zagdul wrote:Hi, Instead of giving them all a bonus to the penalty (50%) on the sig radius for MWD's, how about a 200% velocity bonus to Afterburners instead? That's too much. A 50% bonus might work, though. I figured I'd aim high.
Morgan North wrote:Thing is, this only changes larger ship damage projection abilities on Assault Frigates. Doesn't shange their mechanics otherwise (You can still scram it). With an afterburner... You have to deal with the speed. Thats potentially game-breaking, while a micro-warp drive sig reduction really isn't.
Now you'd need to point and web.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

Carl Krypp
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.12.25 17:52:00 -
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I agree with this thread. Assault frigates should have their own more unique role, as opposed to being just a heavier tackle. The best way to do this would be to give them an AB bonus instead of a MWD bonus. |

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
253
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Posted - 2011.12.26 19:51:00 -
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interceptors have MWD bonus ": 15% reduction in MicroWarpdrive signature radius penalty "
EAS have a bonus to MWD cap use. so they can keep up their EW
Assault ships should get a bonus to something having to do with afterburners. Personally I want one ship *the wolf* to have an anti web bonus, and the other *jag* to have a speed bonus. I think this would make things more interesting than all AS having the same afterburner bonus.
would it be possible to give them a 50% reduction to all EW? in coming and outgoing? |

St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.27 11:12:00 -
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Not that I like the MWD sig rad bonus, but 200% velocity bonus + AFs with oversized 10MN AB sounds like a terrible idea |

To mare
Advanced Technology
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Posted - 2011.12.27 21:59:00 -
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no with the boost they recived (more fitting more slots 1 more bonus) they dont need a role bonus at all a AB bonus would really make them OP making them untouchable by anything that dont use small guns and of course with the tank/gank they have they are no match for any ship that's supposed to use small guns
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Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
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Posted - 2011.12.28 22:52:00 -
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To mare wrote:no with the boost they recived (more fitting more slots 1 more bonus) they dont need a role bonus at all a AB bonus would really make them OP making them untouchable by anything that dont use small guns and of course with the tank/gank they have they are no match for any ship that's supposed to use small guns
Or i could, you know grab my vindicator dual 90% webs comes to a 99% velocity loss, so going 2km/s thats now, what 20m/s? or grab a curse and neut the AB off, or grab my loki and blap it at 30km after webbing it twice, there is still larger solutions, many of them, some even BS sized. |

Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
205
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Posted - 2011.12.30 11:31:00 -
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Solinuas wrote:To mare wrote:no with the boost they recived (more fitting more slots 1 more bonus) they dont need a role bonus at all a AB bonus would really make them OP making them untouchable by anything that dont use small guns and of course with the tank/gank they have they are no match for any ship that's supposed to use small guns
Or i could, you know grab my vindicator dual 90% webs comes to a 99% velocity loss, so going 2km/s thats now, what 20m/s? or grab a curse and neut the AB off, or grab my loki and blap it at 30km after webbing it twice, there is still larger solutions, many of them, some even BS sized.
with an AB boost bonus, why use an interceptor at all? AF's have bigger EHP, can project damage farther and in some cases, outdamage the attacker inties, even with the lower speed and agility, since your sig is much smaller than a mwd'ing interceptor.
that was one of the reasons why the AB bonus was shot down. the other reason was that it would make good AF's too good and the bad AF's not good enough.
repeat after me: blanket bonuses are not good. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
153
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Posted - 2011.12.30 12:05:00 -
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CCP tried an AB speed bonus on Sisi. It was an unsuccessful experiment. We just ended up with 4 km/s untackle-able Jaguars easymoding around, it just made the good AFs better without helping the bad ones - or the ones designed to operate at range.
A blanket AB bonus could conceivably work, but it would require very careful balancing of AF speed - meaning taking the nerfhammer to the Jaguar and Ishkur, basically.
Also, whatever happens to the AFs, afterwards lol Worm? |

Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
5
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Posted - 2011.12.30 15:57:00 -
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St Mio wrote:AFs with oversized 10MN AB sounds like a terrible idea That was the problem last time and unless the bonus is restricted to 1MN ABs then it's a bad idea this time too. Although I would very much like to see one at maybe 50%, not 200% that is way over the top. |

Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
314
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Posted - 2011.12.30 16:59:00 -
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Lucas Quaan wrote:St Mio wrote:AFs with oversized 10MN AB sounds like a terrible idea That was the problem last time and unless the bonus is restricted to 1MN ABs then it's a bad idea this time too. Although I would very much like to see one at maybe 50%, not 200% that is way over the top.
So make it 100%.
Or even 50%, just something to make it unique.
It's not Rocket Surgery |

CobaltSixty
The Night Wardens Viro Mors Non Est
38
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Posted - 2011.12.30 22:25:00 -
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Role Bonus: -80% to powergrid requirements of 10MN afterburners. Everything else falls into place - gives a strong inertia and cap-usage penalty for 1700-2200m/s speeds. Assault Ships - Retribution Fix and Balancing Proposal for Upcoming 4th Bonus |
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