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Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:38:55 - [1] - Quote Ah...where to start? I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was. Or not... I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 190	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:41:34 - [2] - Quote Because 9001 ventures and eyes in literally every system, that's why. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:42:47 - [3] - Quote thank you for that completely useless reply...
Norian Rever Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:45:40 - [4] - Quote I dont know whether it is, or is not, allowed to login more than one alpha account at a time. But if it is not allowed, I would think its to prevent you creating 100 alpha accounts, logging them in, and mining/killing everything with sheer volume of ships.
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:47:55 - [5] - Quote but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
ISD Max Trix ISD Community Communications Liaisons 504	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:49:06 - [6] - Quote You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance. ISD Max Trix Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department *I do not respond to Evemails.*
Jaquete Aivoras Codex Praedonum Top Belt for Fun 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:50:05 - [7] - Quote Imagine this: A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc. There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse.
Norian Rever Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 3	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:50:42 - [8] - Quote Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? Yes.
StonerPhReaK Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen 472	Posted - 2016.11.16 21:52:17 - [9] - Quote Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? Yes. Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
PopeUrban El Expedicion Flames of Exile 217	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:00:34 - [10] - Quote Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? Yes. Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes. If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp... It would be an absolute mess. Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control.
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:02:19 - [11] - Quote Jaquete Aivoras wrote: Imagine this: A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc. There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse. Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. Ok...if they stop everyone from playing multiple accounts then I can't complain. The game balance response doesn't fly because players that pay can unbalance the game all they want. And I would still like to hear it from the Devs though...
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:07:25 - [12] - Quote PopeUrban wrote: Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? Yes. Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes. If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp... It would be an absolute mess. Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control. the most I have ever run was 3 accounts at once. You guys are talking like you think every ftp player is going to run 100 accounts at the same time. Where is the computer that can run 100 EVE clients at once? I know ftp games attract the griefers and they will use every exploit they can to make the game crap for everyone else. I just think you guys are exaggerating it a bit.
Radical Posture Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:08:39 - [13] - Quote Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.[/quote] Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!
StonerPhReaK Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen 472	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:13:34 - [14] - Quote Jaquete Aivoras wrote: Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. You heard wrong. Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:15:22 - [15] - Quote Radical Posture wrote: Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!! [/quote] And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts. As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out.
Radical Posture Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:23:25 - [16] - Quote I would think to the very least. If you have one Paid account you can use one Alpha account with it. On a separate computer. One Launcher per box.
TigerXtrm KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 1789	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:35:10 - [17] - Quote Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? Yes, because like it or not, money is a natural barrier to entry which prevents 9001 ventures and eyes in every system. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 779	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:41:50 - [18] - Quote You should be thankful you have access to the game itself for free, let alone fly ships, go anywhere and do stuff... I saw in one of the local chats today "My god, I am so limited, I cannot fly any ship"... Reminds me of the phrase "Throw em a bone and they want a steak." Well, you gotta pay for the steak. I for one am thankful, even as Omega, because CCP gave chance to many people who couldn't afford the game before.
Eli Stan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 646	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:50:42 - [19] - Quote Bozze wrote: So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. From the devs directly: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-post-csm-summit-roundup/ Quote: Simultaneous Logon for Alphas: The CSMGÇÖs number one focus for Clone States matched the biggest concern from general player feedback: simultaneous Alpha clone logon must be limited. We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad. There are two reasons to make this kind of restriction. The first and most obvious reason is the potential for abuse and exploitation. The second, which the CSM focused on heavily, is that we donGÇÖt want to create a situation where normal players feel obligated to run Alpha alts. It would be unfortunate if every player has to choose between running an alt (which isnGÇÖt necessarily fun) or feeling disadvantaged against players who do. WeGÇÖve been deliberately trying to remove this kind of system (see off grid links) and certainly donGÇÖt want to add a giant new version of it with Clone States.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2005	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:57:06 - [20] - Quote Bozze wrote: And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts. As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out. Being anywhere in a matter of a few hours really isn't too far off of current capabilities with a single character. Especially when those characters are limited and not able to be used alongside an Omega without losing those eyes on site for however long it takes to get the Omega online and where you need. Being constantly everywhere is something else entirely.
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 22:57:12 - [21] - Quote See... I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer. @u3pog: you say I should be thankful I have free access. If you want to go that route then you get to blame CCP for me playing for free and not me. They are the ones that made it FTP. "9001 ventures and eyes in every system." what is this a slogan? Thats 2 people that said the exact same thing. Like I said before...the eyes are going to be in every system anyway...maybe not 9001 all on at once but they can do it without multiboxing. @Radical Posture: One Launcher per box can be done now. Multiboxing is running multiple clients on the same computer. Running 1 client per computer is allowed.
Neuntausend GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1054	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:04:58 - [22] - Quote Bozze wrote: I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer. Entirely your fault. :) If you post it on the forums, you will have to make do with us. If you want an official answer, you'll likely have to write a ticket and wait in line like everyone else. Edit: Although, chances are Falcon will stop by and pretty much say "for reasons", or "for balance reasons" if he is in a good mood and you are lucky.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 194	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:13:04 - [23] - Quote Bozze wrote: See... I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer. @u3pog: you say I should be thankful I have free access. If you want to go that route then you get to blame CCP for me playing for free and not me. They are the ones that made it FTP. "9001 ventures and eyes in every system." what is this a slogan? Thats 2 people that said the exact same thing. Like I said before...the eyes are going to be in every system anyway...maybe not 9001 all on at once but they can do it without multiboxing. @Radical Posture: One Launcher per box can be done now. Multiboxing is running multiple clients on the same computer. Running 1 client per computer is allowed. 1. You can't multibox 9001 ventures with alpha clones. It's also entirely useless to get intel on neighboring systems by logging your main off. Limiting multiboxing keeps me from just alt-tabbing over, which will make it enough of a PITA that people won't want to do it. 2. You were literally linked a portion of the dev blog. Written by the devs. There you go. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:22:44 - [24] - Quote @Dark Lord Trump: I was already replying when that was posted so I missed it...sorry. Congrats on the election too. @Eli Stan: thank you for that link. I appreciate it. quoting part of it: " WeGÇÖve been deliberately trying to remove this kind of system (see off grid links) and certainly donGÇÖt want to add a giant new version of it with Clone States." sounds like they are trying to remove multiboxing even for paying players. Or I am just reading it wrong. Anyway...as much fun as this has been I am going back into the game and consolidating my holdings...see you there.
Lady Ayeipsia Perkone Caldari State 1233	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:24:29 - [25] - Quote It's not one person manning 9000 ventures that is the problem. Think of the following 2 scenarios... A gank fleet with 10 pilots: now grant those pilots each unlimited alpha accounts. They could all easily multiple 3 catalyst clients. You now face a gank fleet of 30 ships. That is a tad unbalancing. Yes, in theory, those 10 could pay for 3 accounts. Still over powered but 450$ in CCP's pocket to continue developing the game is a trade off I am willing to accept. Now scale this scenario up, not for ganking but a nul sec battle. 500 in a defense fleet of a large alliance capital system. They all log in an extra 2 accounts. The system jumps to 1500 and TDI would kick in. It would be nearly impossible for any group to kill a citadel given the current tdi mechanics. Yes again all 500 could pay 45$ a month but that becomes a tad crazy to expect of people. Limiting alphas to one log in basically is a power check to prevent meta abuse of the game on a grand scale.
Radical Posture Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 24	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:33:13 - [26] - Quote I just find it ironic that it took me almost 10 years and 3k USD to actually play EvE for free. And then when I did, You made it Free to Play and took the sand out of my sandbox. I mean what's next, CCP comes out and says they are The Conference Elite, and CCP Fozzie is James315?
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2625	Posted - 2016.11.16 23:43:27 - [27] - Quote Bozze wrote: I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. This type of entitlement is obnoxious enough when it's coming from paying customers. Can't imagine having to put up with this **** from non-paying customers. Someone ought to send the devs a case of beer. If you want to hear from the devs, drag your lazy ass up to the search box and locate any of the numerous dev posts on the subject. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Bozze Aliastra Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:12:32 - [28] - Quote Lady Ayeipsia wrote: It's not one person manning 9000 ventures that is the problem. Think of the following 2 scenarios... A gank fleet with 10 pilots: now grant those pilots each unlimited alpha accounts. They could all easily multiple 3 catalyst clients. You now face a gank fleet of 30 ships. That is a tad unbalancing. Yes, in theory, those 10 could pay for 3 accounts. Still over powered but 450$ in CCP's pocket to continue developing the game is a trade off I am willing to accept. Now scale this scenario up, not for ganking but a nul sec battle. 500 in a defense fleet of a large alliance capital system. They all log in an extra 2 accounts. The system jumps to 1500 and TDI would kick in. It would be nearly impossible for any group to kill a citadel given the current tdi mechanics. Yes again all 500 could pay 45$ a month but that becomes a tad crazy to expect of people. Limiting alphas to one log in basically is a power check to prevent meta abuse of the game on a grand scale. I paid $45 a month for years. Unfortunately I am just one of those people that doesn't abuse the system. I understand they want to keep it fair. I was just hoping to get my other account in to fly an Iteron and haul my ore back to the station. Not trying to take over the cluster or anything. I doubt I would put another Corp out of business either if I just get to use a Venture to mine the ore. Alphas can't even use mining drones. Anyway...back to the game
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 91	Posted - 2016.11.17 01:29:50 - [29] - Quote Actually alphas limited to one is fine, as if you for example made them unlimited the power in the game would still be down to those who had the most cash in RL. Bigger, faster more powerful computers and more of them means those with cash are more powerful. Same goes for the omegas except CCP is able to actually pay for their staff and the upkeep of the game at the same time. At the end of the day, the paying customers are the ones paying for the game, so being we live in capitalist societies, yes those forking out the cash should see a real benefit over those who don't.
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 69	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:03:58 - [30] - Quote You don't know entitlement until you make a game go f2p.
Nina Hayes Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 70	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:11:36 - [31] - Quote Eh, never mind....
Memphis Baas 2259	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:15:44 - [32] - Quote Bozze wrote: And I would still like to hear it from the Devs though... ISD Max Trix wrote: You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance. You heard from ISD. Forum Moderators. You can trust them; they will only reply with the official CCP response. Devs won't reply to you, because they've already said it, officially, in the Dev Blog. Read the "Clone States" dev blogs, there are 3, and you will see.
Paladin Genghis Khanid Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:16:39 - [33] - Quote The problem with Alphas is that CCP hasn't committed to an actual F2P model. This is just a gimped version of a trial account that is indefinite. I can't honestly see anyone sticking around past a month as an alpha. So what you'll have is a constant revolving door of new people who never stick around long enough to learn the ropes. Basically, the same thing you have with trial accounts accept alpha clones don't paint as pretty of a picture of EVE as the old trials did so I expect even less people will stick around. You'll get the initial boost in numbers but it will die down. Maybe CCP hopes the new players will not realize just how gimped they are as opposed to returning vet who simply won't stand for the alpha limits for long. A F2P model includes micro transactions that help improve your experience. You can chose to invest in certain aspects of the game, but not pay for all of it. CCP should be aiming to make some money off of alphas. To just give you this crappy skill set and tell you you're just stuck with this forever is not a proper F2P model. It's a "we need more fodder to keep the Omegas busy" model.
Tyberius Franklin Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 2005	Posted - 2016.11.17 02:16:43 - [34] - Quote Bozze wrote: I paid $45 a month for years. Unfortunately I am just one of those people that doesn't abuse the system. I understand they want to keep it fair. I was just hoping to get my other account in to fly an Iteron and haul my ore back to the station. Not trying to take over the cluster or anything. I doubt I would put another Corp out of business either if I just get to use a Venture to mine the ore. Alphas can't even use mining drones. Anyway...back to the game The issue isn't even "abuse." It's just the normal advantageous use of alts which has a less than fine line before it starts having an effect, especially when scaled across all players. That effect isn't always obvious or immediately apparent.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1165	Posted - 2016.11.17 03:08:57 - [35] - Quote Bozze wrote: But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves. The official reason is because the playerbase overwhelmingly said NO. The devs here actually listen to players. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Iria Ahrens Space Perverts and Forum Pirates 1165	Posted - 2016.11.17 03:16:59 - [36] - Quote Bozze wrote: thank you for that completely useless reply... If you don't undertand the reply, that doesn't make it useless. Recently Eve officially removed the Watch list system. Which allowed you to know the online-offline statuse of any player, whether they were your friend or not. If multiple alphas were allowed, then there would be VENTURES in every system polling local and aggregating that info. Not to mention mining the crap out of everything. Now as a newbie, you probably wondering if Eve players could do such a thing. But the truth is, eve players ROCK when it comes to aggregating info. eve-central evemogul pirate's little helper tripwire eve-files eve-search eve-board etc, etc. My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 06:44:18 - [37] - Quote ISD Max Trix wrote: You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance. Ha, you mean like the limitations on the number of same IP/computer concurrently logged accounts? It really does a nice job of keeping those multiboxers out of the way, and preventing socially manipulative meta tricks!
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3138	Posted - 2016.11.17 09:43:16 - [38] - Quote calm down miner You know, you can always pay a subscription if you want to multibox the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Punctator Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae 18	Posted - 2016.11.17 09:59:11 - [39] - Quote u3pog wrote: You should be thankful you have access to the game itself for free, let alone fly ships, go anywhere and do stuff... I saw in one of the local chats today "My god, I am so limited, I cannot fly any ship"... Reminds me of the phrase "Throw em a bone and they want a steak." Well, you gotta pay for the steak. I for one am thankful, even as Omega, because CCP gave chance to many people who couldn't afford the game before. Sir it is not a 2003 year anymore. Many things changed, new children was born, new trends in mmo, amd type of gameplay has crystalized. Free to play is natural state of almost every mmo young generation playing now. In eve it was always adept or die, ccp faceing same rule in real world now and thair are failing miserably completly unable to make game for newer generation of players.
Norian Lonark Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 181	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:21:30 - [40] - Quote Punctator wrote: Sir it is not a 2003 year anymore. Many things changed, new children was born, new trends in mmo, amd type of gameplay has crystalized. Free to play is natural state of almost every mmo young generation playing now. In eve it was always adept or die, ccp faceing same rule in real world now and thair are failing miserably completly unable to make game for newer generation of players. Absolute rubbish, clone states is making it accessible for people to try the game and play the game for an unlimited period of time. If you like the game then you can pay to play it and unlock the entire game. If you dont like the game move onto something that you do like. There is a balancing act. Having an unlimited amount fo F2P alts would damage every aspect of the game, CCP and the playerbase know this and this is why the limitation was put in place. Eve is such a great game which has lasted better then any other MMO in my opinion because when its players get hooked there really is nothing else like it. CCP cant just change the game to cater for the whims of this "newer generation" and alienate its playerbase which has enjoyed the games for years. If you try the game and hate it move on, if you try the game and love it get your wallet out and pay 9.99, its really not that much of an issue, if you can afford a PC to play it on and an internet subscription I am sure you can afford the cost of an eve subscription. And think of all the money you will save. Since playing eve I spend so much less time on other games that its really saving me money to have an eve sub Start wide, expand further, and never look back
Punctator Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae 18	Posted - 2016.11.17 11:56:26 - [41] - Quote anyway eve offline tell us who is right who is wrong here.
Jahar Makanen Ghost Nebula 237 Corporation 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 12:16:06 - [42] - Quote I liked play again as alpha clone. I remembered how it was fun and just signed for a year.. hehe damn.. it was like put a drop of alchol in the mouth of a addicted person after a year clean
Akrasjel Lanate Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate 1936	Posted - 2016.11.17 14:08:20 - [43] - Quote Alpha Clones = Unlimited Trial Akrasjel Lanate Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate Executor of Naquatech Syndicate Citizen of Solitude
Sagara Mithril Back To High-sec Inc. 1	Posted - 2016.11.17 14:45:01 - [44] - Quote I would rather pay certain quantity of real money to unlock skills of your choosing.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 365	Posted - 2016.11.17 14:59:40 - [45] - Quote Jaquete Aivoras wrote: Imagine this: A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc. There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse. Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. that edit of yours, I really hope so. make the galaxy have to actually rely on others for once. and also I picked this up. From the EULA : "2. YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose." "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 126	Posted - 2016.11.17 15:07:37 - [46] - Quote I suppose the future will be like that: Alphas pressing all time to have their chars similar to Omegas without pay the subscriptions, complaining all time. Omegas stating they will drop subscription as soon as they feel Alphas are leeching too muc while they pay for Alphas fun. In the middle there will be the fact now most game resources are shared between Alphas and Omegas with the big difference Omegas pay real money every month while Alphas don't..
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 17:19:53 - [47] - Quote Punctator wrote: anyway eve offline tell us who is right who is wrong here. Jeb! surge
Mourdeeb Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.17 21:29:11 - [48] - Quote I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks. How about it CCP??? What do you guys think? Sincerely, Mourdeeb HUGE fan since 2007!!!
Starrakatt Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department 612	Posted - 2016.11.18 11:49:20 - [49] - Quote Paladin Genghis Khanid wrote: ... A F2P model includes micro transactions that help improve your experience. You can chose to invest in certain aspects of the game, but not pay for all of it. CCP should be aiming to make some money off of alphas. To just give you this crappy skill set and tell you you're just stuck with this forever is not a proper F2P model. It's a "we need more fodder to keep the Omegas busy" model. Many, many F2P models are in fact Pay-to-Win - And in these cases, micro-transaction are what make them Pay-to_win. Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could. Mourdeeb wrote: I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks. How about it CCP??? What do you guys think? Paying for exclusive 'dunjeons' mess with the sandbox concept though. Also, paying $$$ to get SP packs so one can upgrade skills to access T2 mods, better/bigger ships kind of defeat the purpose of limited SP Alpha Clones. Driven to the extreme, it wouldn't be long that we would see F2P Caps and Supercap pilots. Sneaky bastard. Complaints Department is recruiting! We got wardecced, ohnoes!
Jaxon Grylls Institute of Archaeology 140	Posted - 2016.11.18 12:02:31 - [50] - Quote Bozze wrote: thank you for that completely useless reply... It's not that the reply is useless, it hits the nail right on the head. It's just that you don't like the answer. Balance is everything in an MMRPG. Lose that and you'll soon lose your customers as well. Unlimited Alpha clone use posed a threat of severely unbalancing the game so CCP stopped it before it started to the benefit of us all, Alphas or Omegas.
Agondray Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces 372	Posted - 2016.11.24 12:14:03 - [51] - Quote Mourdeeb wrote: I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks. How about it CCP??? What do you guys think? Sincerely, Mourdeeb HUGE fan since 2007!!! no you get access to all "content" simply by entering the EvE universe,. Advancing at your own rate is simply rather your train skills or not, nothing says you have to train skills constantly. The only problem with paying CCP any money is the projects they start and walk away from because "programming is hard" or they don't want to do what players would like such as standard MMOs have a button to return you to character selection that they refuse to do as quoted "it would take a handful of devs 6 months for a 15 sec advantage" and now with the release of Alpha accounts they said "alpha accounts are restricted to balance the game" and have noted that they wish to do the same to Omega accounts, im trying to source that blog now. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
Suroh Kurvora Dwarf Star Incorporated Consortium Of Wormhole Space Exploration 11	Posted - 2016.11.24 12:49:31 - [52] - Quote Bozze wrote: Ah...where to start? I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was. Or not... I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves. Thank you for the completely useless thread, ccp has already stated that only 1 alpha account can be played from any single location at a time. And rightfully so.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8044	Posted - 2016.11.24 13:06:55 - [53] - Quote Bozze wrote: thank you for that completely useless reply... That was literally the most informative succinct reply possible, and it's exactly true. One alpha at a time, or people are gonna be multiboxing all the ganks and ore out from under PAYING players. That's exactly the reason. You don't have to like it, but you do have to accept it. If you're using an alpha account, it's one per person at a time ever under all circumstances. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8044	Posted - 2016.11.24 13:08:31 - [54] - Quote Bozze wrote: See... I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. If you wanna hear from the devs, file a ticket. If you post on the forums, you're gonna hear from players whether you want to or not. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 136	Posted - 2016.11.24 13:47:48 - [55] - Quote Mourdeeb wrote: I'm Glad to see CCP offer a F2P option. I was hoping they would evolve to a system that allowed players to pay for additional content, kind of like Upgrading your Clone. I remember years ago, there was a long list of clone upgrades, so they could integrate the system along those lines. Having an Alpha Clone, and Pay for the Skills to train, BCs, and T2 Guns. Etc. Upgrade the Clones incrementally, and have the players pay for each upgrade. This will allow more casual players to invest in the game, but not be held to a monthly subscription. CCP gets paid, players advance at their own pace, paying for Content as they go. Everyone wins! Other MMO's have a similar system of adding content as you go, and it works great. DDO for example has players pay extra for additional dungeons that are standard for Subscribers, but casual players can pay $20 for an unlock. This way it avoids being a Pay to play, since all they are paying for is the unlock of normally available skills, not equipment, or other perks. How about it CCP??? What do you guys think? Sincerely, Mourdeeb HUGE fan since 2007!!! Incremental upgrades cannot work. Omegas pay every month for a subscription regardless the fact they have 20 or 200 skills. You stop (now) you're back to alpha. Previously you cannot even login. So even if a alpha pays 1 dollar per skill for example, he still needs to pay a time-related subscription for being able to use the skills, otherwise it would be a big advantage over Omega. They could do every player is "frozen" to the skills he has and can play for free with the skills he "paid for", and paying for any new skills, but I think they will never do something like that, too risky....
Punctator Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae 18	Posted - 2016.11.27 14:12:18 - [56] - Quote http://sieni.us/?id=34
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 376	Posted - 2016.11.27 16:39:24 - [57] - Quote Bozze wrote: Ah...where to start? I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was. Or not... I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves. Imagine if you could have unlimited alpha accounts logged in. I could have a 20 man venture mining fleet made up of me and not pay a penny for it. unlimited scout alts to play with my omegas, unlimited hauling alts. It would be abused thats why its not allowed.
XxRTEKxX 256th Shadow Wing Phantom-Recon 151	Posted - 2016.11.27 17:28:17 - [58] - Quote Bozze wrote: Ah...where to start? I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was. Or not... I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves. The alpha clones are a replacement of the trial accounts. Its meant for new players to experience the game and reach a point where they decide it is worth subscribing to continue their game experience. Allowing multiple alpha accounts on the same PC to be logged in will just create armies of free ganking catalysts, free scouts in any system, free mining hordes etc. Us subscribers didn't want that to happen and CCP sure didn't want it to happen either. You might have good intentions but many players would abuse it.
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 547	Posted - 2016.11.28 04:43:53 - [59] - Quote Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? imagine if everybody would do what you want to do and more. imagine if it was CODE., hundreds of free suicide ganking catalysts. guess who will whine more? of course it would be the likes of you. i bet you didn't think that far enough have you? of course it's ok if you are willing to pay for hundreds of accounts, the question is, can you?! Just Add Water
Rin Vocaloid2 DUST University Ivy League 75	Posted - 2016.11.28 04:56:27 - [60] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Bozze wrote: but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right? imagine if everybody would do what you want to do and more. imagine if it was CODE., hundreds of free suicide ganking catalysts. guess who will whine more? of course it would be the likes of you. i bet you didn't think that far enough have you? of course it's ok if you are willing to pay for hundreds of accounts, the question is, can you?! God, the sight of CODE fielding a fleet of a thousand alpha-fit destroyers all controlled by one player... Sure the ban on multiplexing and multibroadcasting makes it that hard to gank efficiently, but all you need is one hit from every ship to destroy a miner in high-sec even with Concord already on the field if enough ganker ships were present. Imagine an AFK miner coming back after 15 minutes to see his pod drifting in space while surrounded by a mass grave of 1,000 destroyer wrecks all being ninja looted by local scavengers. PS: If you run military career missions, you can get a free destroyer to cut down your cost. Of course, that would be extremely inefficient.
Morgan Agrivar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 672	Posted - 2016.11.28 05:11:24 - [61] - Quote repeatedly slams head against desk in hopes of not having to read any more whining from alpha players
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1953	Posted - 2016.11.28 05:53:00 - [62] - Quote Morgan Agrivar wrote: repeatedly slams head against desk in hopes of not having to read any more whining from alpha players you should have been prepared already.... The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3214	Posted - 2016.11.28 06:51:07 - [63] - Quote Rin Vocaloid2 wrote: God, the sight of CODE fielding a fleet of a thousand alpha-fit destroyers all controlled by one player... Sure the ban on multiplexing and multibroadcasting makes it that hard to gank efficiently, but all you need is one hit from every ship to destroy a miner in high-sec even with Concord already on the field if enough ganker ships were present. Imagine an AFK miner coming back after 15 minutes to see his pod drifting in space while surrounded by a mass grave of 1,000 destroyer wrecks all being ninja looted by local scavengers. PS: If you run military career missions, you can get a free destroyer to cut down your cost. Of course, that would be extremely inefficient. The whole whining that alphas would be used as gank alts is pretty pointless, given there are means to get a free (or almost free) omega account if you don't need the SP which is a given for a dedicated suicide ganking account. What the whiners never account for: - A PC has limits - Multiboxing has limits - More alts means more ships means more logistics headache There is a reason most people only use one or two gank accounts. Yes there are gankers who use more, but that is not very common. The costs of the accounts is no reason at all since we already worked around that. If your scenario was realistic at all we would see those fleets already the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Arcelian Metentis 206	Posted - 2016.11.28 13:49:55 - [64] - Quote When did 15 dollars become a lot of money over a span of a month? That's roughly 50 cents a day... I'm not Mr. Moneybags, but seriously, if I didn't have 15 bucks left over every month to spend on entertainment, I'd probably not be playing computer games, but be working on finding myself some better employment. I think you can go to your local plasma center, and they give you more than that for just bodily fluids.
Valhallas New Eden Robotics 24	Posted - 2016.11.28 14:08:23 - [65] - Quote What about one Omega and one Alpha, is that possible to multibox?
Keno Skir 1016	Posted - 2016.11.28 14:17:48 - [66] - Quote Nope <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> Including ISK Bonus & In Game Assistance - Piracy / Wormhole Space / Covops PvP
Voxinian 141	Posted - 2016.11.28 15:25:10 - [67] - Quote Radical Posture wrote: Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!! [/quote] Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting!
Starrakatt Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department 614	Posted - 2016.11.28 15:47:25 - [68] - Quote Quote: Voxinian wrote: Radical Posture wrote: Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!! Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting! I am no economist, but banning multiple Omega accounts would hurt CCP's wallet so much I doubt they'd even consider it. Sneaky bastard. Complaints Department is recruiting! We got wardecced, ohnoes!
Voxinian 141	Posted - 2016.11.28 15:51:51 - [69] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: Quote: Voxinian wrote: Radical Posture wrote: Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well. Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!! Allowing mutli accounts was the dumbest idea ever made by CCP, and seemingly was only implemented to fill the bank account of CCP. I would love to see an EvE where litterally every player only has 1 account to play with. Now that would be interesting! I am no economist, but banning multiple Omega accounts would hurt CCP's wallet so much I doubt they'd even consider it. Obviously it's now way to late to revert this... unless they add a new parallel EvE universe with a 1 account restriction. I would switch to that universe!
Salvos Rhoska 1605	Posted - 2016.11.28 17:21:10 - [70] - Quote 1 account per user is impossible. Forget about it. 1) Its technically/legally impossible to enforce. People have been exploiting around this with PCs/IPs/virtual installations since forever. 2) The true core of EVE vets (whom many, lamentably, havent paid anything to CCP for years, but also those many have paid thousands of currency over the years) would self-destruct in rage supernovas never before seen in EVE. (and arguably online ever before). It would obliterate the underlying infrastructure of the EVE community/playerbase and ruin CCP overnight. 3) Heuristically, over the years, this game has been develeped according to an impetus system that encourages more than one account. Even if it where possible, or expedient, to enforce 1 axcount per player, it would tear apart the DNA of this game as it has evolved over years. 4) CCP eanrs more, the more accounts there are, in aggregate. Ignoring for the moment the PLEX market manipulation of truly isk super rich organisations, more accounts generally means more money for CCP. PvE v PvP Selling CODE licenses! 9.99mil isk! Bid for unique CODE neon edition special agent certificate!
Devious Relation Obsessive Compulsive Disasters 31	Posted - 2016.11.28 17:34:12 - [71] - Quote All of these VOID reponses. Since CCP BANNED ISBOXER and KEYBROADCASTING multiboxing is not an issue.. You wont have 100 cruisers all controlled by 1 person alphaing things off the grid yada yada... Its purely to force people into paying for subscriptions not balance
Salvos Rhoska 1605	Posted - 2016.11.28 18:16:16 - [72] - Quote Devious Relation wrote: All of these VOID reponses. Since CCP BANNED ISBOXER and KEYBROADCASTING multiboxing is not an issue.. You wont have 100 cruisers all controlled by 1 person alphaing things off the grid yada yada... Its purely to force people into paying for subscriptions not balance Automation was always, technically, disallowed. Those players also subbed, with PLEX, or money, like everyone else. But they where exploiting the system by broadcasting commands. Nothing of value was lost. You can still pay for Omega on 100 cruisers controlled by one person. That has not changed. Go ahead and micro 10/100/1000 Omega accounts, simultaneously, if youve subbed them. You just cant automate /broadcast that fleets commands (which was illegal even before) without CCP paying more attention to it (presumably). PvE v PvP Selling CODE licenses! 9.99mil isk! Bid for unique CODE neon edition special agent certificate!
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6270	Posted - 2016.11.28 18:31:09 - [73] - Quote Just wanted to say: No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing. While that's not _absolutely_ certain, it's good enough for me. And anyone that's saying otherwise has no evidence, they're just **** stirring. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Salvos Rhoska 1605	Posted - 2016.11.28 20:44:34 - [74] - Quote Steve Ronuken wrote: Just wanted to say: No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing. What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing? PvE v PvP Selling CODE licenses! 9.99mil isk! Bid for unique CODE neon edition special agent certificate!
Arisidana Amadari Traders 105	Posted - 2016.11.29 11:21:02 - [75] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Just wanted to say: No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing. What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing? 1 client = single-boxing 2 or more clients at the same time = multi-boxing Got it? And tomorrow I will show you what a computer looks like.
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 236	Posted - 2016.11.29 12:04:01 - [76] - Quote Starrakatt wrote: Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could. Your wartargets should be scared because you can run unlimited skilled omega accounts. You just have to pay subscription and hardware for 'em.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1955	Posted - 2016.11.29 12:08:15 - [77] - Quote Sequester Risalo wrote: Starrakatt wrote: Personally I know that if I could have unlimited/skilled Omega accounts running, I'd gank the crap out off my war targets because I could. Your wartargets should be scared because you can run unlimited skilled omega accounts. You just have to pay subscription and hardware for 'em. Note: you don't need to pay subscription for Omega account which is only used for ganking. You can make 1 char to be SP donor and have the whole account for free selling SP from this char. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Steve Ronuken Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM 6273	Posted - 2016.11.29 13:15:12 - [78] - Quote Arisidana wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Steve Ronuken wrote: Just wanted to say: No, CCP aren't planning (at least nowhere I've seen) to ban multi-boxing. What do you mean specifically by the term multi-boxing? 1 client = single-boxing 2 or more clients at the same time = multi-boxing Got it? And tomorrow I will show you what a computer looks like. This. Using more than one omega account at the same time on the same, or different computers. Woo! CSM XI! Fuzzwork Enterprises Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter

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