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Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 21:48:41 ok, in all honesty i was bored, I saw a few people buying the gtcs the old way so i thought hmm ccp dont support this but ya kno ill sell a few, cos i did genuinely have some in my mailbox. so we start of and he says send the mails, so i sent the mails and though hmm ok then, he sent the isk and i was about to send the code when my comp froze, so instantly i restart so i dont get banned. Log back in n i cant convo him, [Linkage] So now im thinking hmm wtf, so i look in address notice he/she is not there so i readd them. instantly i get a convo up and i applogise for the inconvinence and send the money back. So heres where i got smart, he/she wanted to try again so i said ok then, So here we go again with the mails. Below is what mine contained: Quote: Subject: 1x tc 135million Body: selling 1x tc for 135 million Then for his reply: Quote: subject:selling 1x tc for 135million body: buying 1x 30 gtc for 135million 2 seconds late i recive the isk and i think ok, i just agreed to sell him a TC? so what the hell is a tc? well in ccp rules a GTC is a game time code, and a TC ( is an abriviation used by some people ) but is not what the item is called! so instantly i sent this guy his TC (Total Crap) My reply mail Quote: Thank you for your purcahse of 1x TC (total Crap) Also included was a free sig , please see below Now as far as i am aware i never scammed the guy as i was selling him 1x tc, if i was using the abrivation i would have to say selling 1x 30 day time code and list how many days it was ;)
Diana Daytrader	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:56:00 - [2] Are you sure he/she is the noob? Look at this.. Linkage I dont know how your case went on specifically (only your side here), but as a trader i hope we get rid of some scammers. They make trading harder and harder in EVE.
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:58:00 - [3] good job i never agreed to sell him a gtc then :) and just a tc (total crap)
Bentus Kushani	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:59:00 - [4] Actually, per the sticky at the top, you will not get your money back. However, he will have all his associated accounts banned, so in the end, you win.
Looney T00n	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:02:00 - [5] lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
Looney T00n	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:02:00 - [6] lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:03:00 - [7] but u see hte eve mail i sent him was selling 1x tc for 135 million. 1. TC COULD STAND FOR ANYTHING 2. THERE WAS NO DAYS? 3. HE SENT THE ISK AND AGREED
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:03:00 - [8] but u see hte eve mail i sent him was selling 1x tc for 135 million. 1. TC COULD STAND FOR ANYTHING 2. THERE WAS NO DAYS? 3. HE SENT THE ISK AND AGREED
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:04:00 - [9] Originally by: Bentus Kushani Edited by: Bentus Kushani on 01/04/2007 21:58:11 e: Misunderstood. Per the rules at the top, you will likely have your account banned, but he loses his money. It's all semantics, but TC is a common abbreviation for Eve Timecode, so you probably lose. yes but then ccp should say some where that they are abbrivations rather then let people assume..
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Bentus Kushani Edited by: Bentus Kushani on 01/04/2007 21:58:11 e: Misunderstood. Per the rules at the top, you will likely have your account banned, but he loses his money. It's all semantics, but TC is a common abbreviation for Eve Timecode, so you probably lose. yes but then ccp should say some where that they are abbrivations rather then let people assume..
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:05:00 - [11] Originally by: Looney T00n lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player..
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:05:00 - [12] Originally by: Looney T00n lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player..
Bentus Kushani	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:08:00 - [13] Actually, his reply agreed to buy a GTC, not a "TC" or anything else. So, he clearly thought he was buying a GTC. I am not a mod, but as a former GTC trader I would clearly expect them to wield the banhammer. IDK, but I would start making a will.
Bentus Kushani	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:08:00 - [14] Actually, his reply agreed to buy a GTC, not a "TC" or anything else. So, he clearly thought he was buying a GTC. I am not a mod, but as a former GTC trader I would clearly expect them to wield the banhammer. IDK, but I would start making a will.
Lil Dirtbeard Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Lil Dirtbeard on 01/04/2007 22:09:20 Forum Sig Designs
Lil Dirtbeard Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Lil Dirtbeard on 01/04/2007 22:09:20 Forum Sig Designs
Raven Marek	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:15:00 - [17] o/ Bye Jack, you ****ed up. No one would admissably wave you of responsibility when you fully admitted already that you were watching everyone selling GTCs, and then went and tried selling "TCs". Well guess what. TC ='s Time Code with 95%+ familiarity in EVE, secondly, the TC part of GTC is the locked portion, the G is irrelevant as it's often also said as ETC. You wrote WTS TC, well there you go, unfortunately you stated the two letters that actually mattered. You might've had a sliver of a prayer if you wrote GC instead, but you didn't, and now you can start your EVE experience fresh on a new account :)
Raven Marek	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:15:00 - [18] o/ Bye Jack, you ****ed up. No one would admissably wave you of responsibility when you fully admitted already that you were watching everyone selling GTCs, and then went and tried selling "TCs". Well guess what. TC ='s Time Code with 95%+ familiarity in EVE, secondly, the TC part of GTC is the locked portion, the G is irrelevant as it's often also said as ETC. You wrote WTS TC, well there you go, unfortunately you stated the two letters that actually mattered. You might've had a sliver of a prayer if you wrote GC instead, but you didn't, and now you can start your EVE experience fresh on a new account :)
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:17:00 - [19] lol, well , we will just have to wait and see, wow a little loss like this shouldnt hurt hehe, ill just buy another char another day and play again.
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:17:00 - [20] lol, well , we will just have to wait and see, wow a little loss like this shouldnt hurt hehe, ill just buy another char another day and play again.
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:22:00 - [21] oh and if ccp dont kno wot to do then please see this thread, if u want me to ill give him the isk back as i aint fussed i just wonderd what u can actually do about some 1 selling 1x tc for 135 million , because i never stated actually wat a tc wos and how many days if it even had days :)
PleaseDon'tShoot	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:23:00 - [22] April fools? (all but the OP, that is)
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:25:00 - [23] Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 22:21:59 nah all the truth even the guy who fell for it;) we had a good little chat, even he was intrested to see what the outcome was! eather way ill give him his cash back banned or not, just wanted to see wot would actually happen..
Lilly Tiger	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:36:00 - [24] Edited by: Lilly Tiger on 01/04/2007 22:33:08 I am the character that bought the GTC/TC in question (and got scammed) It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I have petitioned this, and although I will not receive the isk back either way from CCP, this will be an important precedent regarding GTC sales. If the abbrevation switch is enough to have a scam "approved" then i see alot of "Hey, i said one GTC, which stands for Great Total Crap, and I never mentioned any days. You are screwed :P" popping up in our future.. Edit: Regarding Jack Cunningham refunding me.. Well lets wait and see. I do not exactly have great faith in the word of the person who actually scammed me in the first place
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:43:00 - [25] well, i allways keep to my word and allways have but so we will see :)
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Jack Cunningham Originally by: Looney T00n lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player.. You must understand that they can check all the accounts linked to yours by IP-crossovers, though. No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:22:00 - [27] yes i kno wot u mean with the ip address, got job i play with this account from work and have never touched it on my home computer ;)
Jack Cunningham The Heavy Wallet	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:23:00 - [28] Quote: No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway. and acutally its just the ingame scams that are goign on at the moment with the auctions and items exchanges i dont see these people been banned.....
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Jack Cunningham Quote: No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway. and acutally its just the ingame scams that are goign on at the moment with the auctions and items exchanges i dont see these people been banned..... They aren't deliberately misleading people into paying isk by convincing them they're getting a gtc. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
KHEN Gallente New Horizons	Posted - 2007.04.02 00:19:00 - [30] I'm sure CCP will appreciate to waste time on such stuff and will reward you at the level you deserve. I don't like to see ppl using crap tricks just for to polish their ego and treating ppl with contempt.

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