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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 21:48:41
ok, in all honesty i was bored,
I saw a few people buying the gtcs the old way so i thought hmm ccp dont support this but ya kno ill sell a few, cos i did genuinely have some in my mailbox.
so we start of and he says send the mails, so i sent the mails and though hmm ok then, he sent the isk and i was about to send the code when my comp froze, so instantly i restart so i dont get banned. Log back in n i cant convo him, [Linkage]
So now im thinking hmm wtf, so i look in address notice he/she is not there so i readd them.
instantly i get a convo up and i applogise for the inconvinence and send the money back.
So heres where i got smart, he/she wanted to try again so i said ok then,
So here we go again with the mails.
Below is what mine contained:
 Quote:
Subject: 1x tc 135million
Body: selling 1x tc for 135 million
Then for his reply:
Quote:
subject:selling 1x tc for 135million
body: buying 1x 30 gtc for 135million
2 seconds late i recive the isk and i think ok, i just agreed to sell him a TC?
so what the hell is a tc?
well in ccp rules a GTC is a game time code, and a TC ( is an abriviation used by some people ) but is not what the item is called!
so instantly i sent this guy his TC (Total Crap)
My reply mail
Quote:
Thank you for your purcahse of 1x TC (total Crap)
Also included was a free sig , please see below
Now as far as i am aware i never scammed the guy as i was selling him 1x tc, if i was using the abrivation i would have to say selling 1x 30 day time code and list how many days it was ;)
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Diana Daytrader
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Posted - 2007.04.01 21:56:00 -
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Are you sure he/she is the noob?
Look at this..
Linkage
I dont know how your case went on specifically (only your side here), but as a trader i hope we get rid of some scammers. They make trading harder and harder in EVE.
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 21:58:00 -
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good job i never agreed to sell him a gtc then :)
and just a tc (total crap)
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Bentus Kushani
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Posted - 2007.04.01 21:59:00 -
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Actually, per the sticky at the top, you will not get your money back. However, he will have all his associated accounts banned, so in the end, you win. 
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Looney T00n
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:02:00 -
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lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
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Looney T00n
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:02:00 -
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lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:03:00 -
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but u see hte eve mail i sent him was selling 1x tc for 135 million.
1. TC COULD STAND FOR ANYTHING
2. THERE WAS NO DAYS?
3. HE SENT THE ISK AND AGREED
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:03:00 -
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but u see hte eve mail i sent him was selling 1x tc for 135 million.
1. TC COULD STAND FOR ANYTHING
2. THERE WAS NO DAYS?
3. HE SENT THE ISK AND AGREED
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:04:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Bentus Kushani
Edited by: Bentus Kushani on 01/04/2007 21:58:11
e: Misunderstood. Per the rules at the top, you will likely have your account banned, but he loses his money.
It's all semantics, but TC is a common abbreviation for Eve Timecode, so you probably lose.
yes but then ccp should say some where that they are abbrivations rather then let people assume..
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Bentus Kushani
Edited by: Bentus Kushani on 01/04/2007 21:58:11
e: Misunderstood. Per the rules at the top, you will likely have your account banned, but he loses his money.
It's all semantics, but TC is a common abbreviation for Eve Timecode, so you probably lose.
yes but then ccp should say some where that they are abbrivations rather then let people assume..
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Looney T00n
lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player..
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:05:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Looney T00n
lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player..
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Bentus Kushani
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:08:00 -
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Actually, his reply agreed to buy a GTC, not a "TC" or anything else. So, he clearly thought he was buying a GTC. I am not a mod, but as a former GTC trader I would clearly expect them to wield the banhammer. IDK, but I would start making a will.
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Bentus Kushani
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:08:00 -
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Actually, his reply agreed to buy a GTC, not a "TC" or anything else. So, he clearly thought he was buying a GTC. I am not a mod, but as a former GTC trader I would clearly expect them to wield the banhammer. IDK, but I would start making a will.
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Lil Dirtbeard
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:13:00 -
[15]
Edited by: Lil Dirtbeard on 01/04/2007 22:09:20
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Lil Dirtbeard
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lil Dirtbeard on 01/04/2007 22:09:20
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Raven Marek
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:15:00 -
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o/ Bye Jack, you ****ed up. No one would admissably wave you of responsibility when you fully admitted already that you were watching everyone selling GTCs, and then went and tried selling "TCs". Well guess what. TC ='s Time Code with 95%+ familiarity in EVE, secondly, the TC part of GTC is the locked portion, the G is irrelevant as it's often also said as ETC. You wrote WTS TC, well there you go, unfortunately you stated the two letters that actually mattered. You might've had a sliver of a prayer if you wrote GC instead, but you didn't, and now you can start your EVE experience fresh on a new account :)
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Raven Marek
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:15:00 -
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o/ Bye Jack, you ****ed up. No one would admissably wave you of responsibility when you fully admitted already that you were watching everyone selling GTCs, and then went and tried selling "TCs". Well guess what. TC ='s Time Code with 95%+ familiarity in EVE, secondly, the TC part of GTC is the locked portion, the G is irrelevant as it's often also said as ETC. You wrote WTS TC, well there you go, unfortunately you stated the two letters that actually mattered. You might've had a sliver of a prayer if you wrote GC instead, but you didn't, and now you can start your EVE experience fresh on a new account :)
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:17:00 -
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lol, well , we will just have to wait and see, wow a little loss like this shouldnt hurt hehe, ill just buy another char another day and play again.
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:17:00 -
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lol, well , we will just have to wait and see, wow a little loss like this shouldnt hurt hehe, ill just buy another char another day and play again.
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:22:00 -
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oh and if ccp dont kno wot to do then please see this thread, if u want me to ill give him the isk back as i aint fussed i just wonderd what u can actually do about some 1 selling 1x tc for 135 million , because i never stated actually wat a tc wos and how many days if it even had days :)
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PleaseDon'tShoot
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:23:00 -
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April fools?
(all but the OP, that is) 
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 22:21:59
nah all the truth even the guy who fell for it;) we had a good little chat, even he was intrested to see what the outcome was!
eather way ill give him his cash back banned or not, just wanted to see wot would actually happen..
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lilly Tiger on 01/04/2007 22:33:08
I am the character that bought the GTC/TC in question (and got scammed)
It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I have petitioned this, and although I will not receive the isk back either way from CCP, this will be an important precedent regarding GTC sales.
If the abbrevation switch is enough to have a scam "approved" then i see alot of "Hey, i said one GTC, which stands for Great Total Crap, and I never mentioned any days. You are screwed :P" popping up in our future..
Edit: Regarding Jack Cunningham refunding me.. Well lets wait and see. I do not exactly have great faith in the word of the person who actually scammed me in the first place
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:43:00 -
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well, i allways keep to my word and allways have but so we will see :)
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.04.01 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Cunningham
Originally by: Looney T00n
lol jack hope ur account was wurth 135mill
tbh i purchased this char a few months back for a small fee of 175 million cos he was stuck in lv space, so yeah he probs is worht that ammount, but more to the point i would liek to see how ccp deal with this situation, because i havent actually broken rules, i just used a work around for them and the dumbness of another player..
You must understand that they can check all the accounts linked to yours by IP-crossovers, though.
No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway.
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 23:22:00 -
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yes i kno wot u mean with the ip address, got job i play with this account from work and have never touched it on my home computer ;)
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Jack Cunningham
The Heavy Wallet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 23:23:00 -
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Quote:
No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway.
and acutally its just the ingame scams that are goign on at the moment with the auctions and items exchanges i dont see these people been banned.....
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.04.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Cunningham
Quote:
No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway.
and acutally its just the ingame scams that are goign on at the moment with the auctions and items exchanges i dont see these people been banned.....
They aren't deliberately misleading people into paying isk by convincing them they're getting a gtc.
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KHEN
Gallente
New Horizons
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Posted - 2007.04.02 00:19:00 -
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I'm sure CCP will appreciate to waste time on such stuff and will reward you at the level you deserve.
I don't like to see ppl using crap tricks just for to polish their ego and treating ppl with contempt.
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Zubin Kozuka
Simple Mathematics
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Posted - 2007.04.02 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Cunningham
So heres where i got smart
You think that "smart" is ripping someone off on a paper-thin technicality like "tc-gtc", then coming to the forums to brag about it?
My poo is smarter than you.
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Erikel
Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.04.02 17:06:00 -
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LMAO, i sure do hope they ban your lousy scamming heathen arse.
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Serret Nevets
Puppets on Steroids
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Posted - 2007.04.02 20:14:00 -
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i doubt anything will happen as per:
Read Me On GTC Sales
He scammed and got away with it.
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.06 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Serret Nevets
i doubt anything will happen as per:
Read Me On GTC Sales
He scammed and got away with it.
Did you note the link to the GM sticky on the FIRST reply on this thread? (Thanks Diana). The date on it was only like 2-3 weeks newer than the post you linked to, and had other information. Which one do YOU think is valid;) The new or old ?
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Balooba
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Posted - 2007.04.06 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Serret Nevets
i doubt anything will happen as per:
Read Me On GTC Sales
He scammed and got away with it.
There seems to have been a policy change since then. Read the sticky at the top of this forum.
If the GM's abide by what's written there, the OP's account is history, along with every other account linked to it.
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Dorion Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:03:00 -
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o.0 GTC scammer 
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H3licon
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:05:00 -
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I would vote for his ban only due to his pathetic spelling.
Kids today just make fools out of themselves and show it off in public.
It's sad.
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Farrellus Cameron
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.06 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Cunningham
Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 22:20:18
Edited by: Jack Cunningham on 01/04/2007 21:48:41
ok, in all honesty i was bored,
I saw a few people buying the gtcs the old way so i thought hmm ccp dont support this but ya kno ill sell a few, cos i did genuinely have some in my mailbox.
so we start of and he says send the mails, so i sent the mails and though hmm ok then, he sent the isk and i was about to send the code when my comp froze, so instantly i restart so i dont get banned. Log back in n i cant convo him, [Linkage]
So now im thinking hmm wtf, so i look in address notice he/she is not there so i readd them.
instantly i get a convo up and i applogise for the inconvinence and send the money back.
So heres where i got smart, he/she wanted to try again so i said ok then,
So here we go again with the mails.
Below is what mine contained:
Quote:
Subject: 1x tc 135million
Body: selling 1x tc for 135 million
Then for his reply:
Quote:
subject:selling 1x tc for 135million
body: buying 1x 30 gtc for 135million
2 seconds late i recive the isk and i think ok, i just agreed to sell him a TC?
so what the hell is a tc?
well in ccp rules a GTC is a game time code, and a TC ( is an abriviation used by some people ) but is not what the item is called!
so instantly i sent this guy his TC (Total Crap)
My reply mail
Quote:
Thank you for your purcahse of 1x TC (total Crap)
Also included was a free sig , please see below
Now as far as i am aware i never scammed the guy as i was selling him 1x tc, if i was using the abrivation i would have to say selling 1x 30 day time code and list how many days it was ;)
Under contract law you did scam him. Contract law says that it doesn't matter how you describe what you are selling, if there is a "meeting of the minds" there is an enforceable contract for the item both parties knew was being talked about. It doesn't matter if you are selling "widgets" and there's no definition of what a widget is, if both parties know what you are talking about there is an enforceable contract. Further, if there's a dispute and the party who is being sued for being in breach knew what the other party meant, they automatically lose. This is a basic principle of contract law that is followed by the US, UK, and most western countries. So, because you have openly admitted you knew what he meant the evidence clearly shows that the contract was for a GTC and you are in breach. Not sure if any of that matters in CCP's eyes, but it may.
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Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:47:00 -
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I hope you get banned and your parents get fined for raising such a stupid child.
-Bart
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Necroman
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.07 00:51:00 -
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In your eve mail you stated you said tc (Total crap), but the person that was purchasing the tc (total crap). Replied with GTC in his reply. This makes it clear that person that was the buyer intended to purchase a GTC. So I would say that you are not as slick as you thnk. You forgot that any contract or transaction both parties responses are part of the transaction. I would like to tell you good luck in training a new account. I hope they ban you for having no integrity and following thru with what you implied.
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wvari
BLACK DRAGONS CORPERATION
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:03:00 -
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If it went how JC says, I expect he will be banned.
In reality I bet he just thought about doing this but didnt do it, and will thus make out hes gotten away with a 'scam' which in reality was never actually perpetrated.
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The Jackyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:11:00 -
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Ban, next please.
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Bristoll
Caldari
DAB
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Posted - 2007.04.07 01:14:00 -
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On on hand (not to mention 'General Principle'), I hope that CCP bans your account and deletes your characters. 
On the other hand, CCP *does* have a secure method in place to make the transfers secure. The fact that he chose to hand you isk without using it means that CCP will not reimburse his loss.  It's his fault for buying outside of CCP's established guidelines and yours for being a parasite (not that that is a bad thing in EvE...). It's all part of the 'experience', I suppose. 
Case closed.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.04.07 03:32:00 -
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I can't believe there would be anyone stupid enough to do this and then to brag about it. IMO it never actually happened and the guy who said he was the one being scammed either is in on the fake scam or is an alt.
In any case I think this guy should be banned, whether it be for scamming or for being an utter moron for lying and bragging about being a scammer. But if he actually did scam the guy then it will be fun to see if CCP looks through his in game transactions/trades/etc as well as IP addresses to determine his main character and ban that one too.
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: wvari
If it went how JC says, I expect he will be banned.
In reality I bet he just thought about doing this but didnt do it, and will thus make out hes gotten away with a 'scam' which in reality was never actually perpetrated.
You really dont think it happened? Doesnt matter that you actually talked to me on the trade channel on multiple occasions.. Stop undermining this thread. It happened. I could post the petition response so far to prove it, but im not allowed by CCP rules.
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Lilly Tiger on 08/04/2007 22:15:54
Originally by: Shadarle
I can't believe there would be anyone stupid enough to do this and then to brag about it. IMO it never actually happened and the guy who said he was the one being scammed either is in on the fake scam or is an alt.
In any case I think this guy should be banned, whether it be for scamming or for being an utter moron for lying and bragging about being a scammer. But if he actually did scam the guy then it will be fun to see if CCP looks through his in game transactions/trades/etc as well as IP addresses to determine his main character and ban that one too.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. I like you too.. :)
Its not fake and its not a scam. I'm still waiting for CCPs final decision, but Ive recieved back some general info so far. It seems as long as there is an evemail showing a GTC trade was actually taking place, the scammer will be banned. But thats what i got so far, not the ultimate solution. If this is correct, he is banned like hell..
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:57:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 08/04/2007 22:53:55
EDIT: Misunderstanding
I noticed Jack hasn't posted lately. Wonder why :D
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:52:00 -
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I received my petition answer today. I cant discuss it and they arent allowed to tell me the specifics, but suffice to say I think he was banned... :)
Is there a way to find out? like evemailing or convoing or something which says "sorry this person is banned and cannot be reached"? Would like to know for sure that he was banned.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.04.11 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Lilly Tiger
I received my petition answer today. I cant discuss it and they arent allowed to tell me the specifics, but suffice to say I think he was banned... :)
Is there a way to find out? like evemailing or convoing or something which says "sorry this person is banned and cannot be reached"? Would like to know for sure that he was banned.
Add him to your address book, he won't log in for a while. There's no way to know for sure, of course.
BTW, I petitioned this weeks ago to ask before I bought codes using the old system (just to make sure), so I know what your petition response said. I agree that he was probably banned.
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:17:00 -
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Sounds good :)
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:35:00 -
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Somewhere else on the forun a GM said they were still using the ban-stick on scammers, but isk would not be refunded. So he was banned (hopefully).
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Marquis Dean
Indigo Fade
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Posted - 2007.04.11 20:41:00 -
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People like this make me sad to be a human. 
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superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio
and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
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Lilly Tiger
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean
People like this make me sad to be a human.
People like the scammer or me (the scam "victim")?
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Eamz
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:12:00 -
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well, hadnt you posted in here and you might have got away with it, but you have just admitted to scamming someone so i suspect you shall be banned. GG
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Feronia Agrona
Nexus Analytics
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Cunningham
Quote:
No really, hope your account was worth owning 135mil for a few days. Your post is proof that you knew that the other person was buying a game time code. It's proof that you knew you were leading those people to believe they were getting a game time code and did it anyway.
and acutally its just the ingame scams that are goign on at the moment with the auctions and items exchanges i dont see these people been banned.....
He's right though.. you made this post saying 'Hey look, I pulled a fast one on this guy because he forgot to add a 'g' in front of the 'tc'.. so in my opinion I wasn't obligated to sell him the GTC i was originally trying to sell.
Matter of time before a GM notices this thread.. especially with all the replies :)
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Dagle
Minmatar
Sanctuary Re
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bart
I hope you get banned and your parents get fined for raising such a stupid child.
-Bart
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