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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.24 12:57:00 -
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As soon as I run the EVE.exe program my cpu time is constantly at 80-100 %!!! I have a 2.4GhZ with 768 MB Ram. NO PROCESS SHOULD TAKE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME EVER!!! What the flip is going on? anyone else got this issue? Please comment
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 28/12/2003 17:27:35
The big deal is that either the software is hidiously badly writen, or that they are making our cpu's do the work for their servers.
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PS if it stops me running Winamp satisfacturally then it is a pain in the ass in my opinion
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.24 18:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 28/12/2003 17:21:59
   Cant see how much graphics can be taken by Eve's graphics. Homeworld was more complex ffs!
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.24 21:54:00 -
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My antvirus running at full blast does not take up this much CPU time. nothing should continuasly. Also it doesnt matter what speed pc you have, it is always going full speed. Something is dodgy here... Perhaps CCP can explain.
(I am in a mood also cuz my Power Upgrades skill is not reducing the CPU required for my power grid upgrades... Power DIAG 1 and Reactor controll units have started uising 20 cpu 
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 28/12/2003 17:24:22
Frankly this is all b******t. If you think any program should run continuasly at this high a cpu usage YOU ARE WRONG.
If you think I am, ask Mr Microsoft.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if half the qoutes here are calmers from CCP reps tbh.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 02/01/2004 00:03:29
Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 02:05:55
Edited by: Tangentoar on 28/12/2003 22:26:20
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Also calm down cuz this is normal !
Type in "Dir C:\" at a command prompt and you shall see some program (prolly explorer) go to 100% briefly and then when it has finished the CPU time goes back to some low nominal value. EVE does a lot of work so it would be normal for CPU usage to be 80%+ most if not all the time.
It doesn't
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 02:10:16
Edited by: Tangentoar on 28/12/2003 17:39:19
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Two options to increase performance for other apps.
1. Set EVE to BelowNormal priority
2. Set the prog you want to run smoothly at AboveNormal priority (I keep Winamp at Realtime, it doesn't cause me any problems, and continues to play even when my system freezes occationally  )
Thankjyou for your suggestion, but how would a non techie user be able to do this? and why should they anyway? I use powermenu a superb little process (the exe is about 56k) to manipulate priority. It does help on certain things, but i wreckon that prevention is better than cure.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:19:00 -
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sure
and what about the other million, i mean few thousand players?
and as for tech suppport pft tbh
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:24:00 -
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Well to semi-calm you down, that happens to everyone else from what I've heard. Seems Eve likes to hog as much resources as it can.
Other than that responce, I got nothing else to help you, sorry.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:24:00 -
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I'm running the same system whoopty doo its taking 80-100, its not making my game go slow so what is the big freaking deal? People get worked up about the smallest things.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:24:00 -
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...or that they are making our cpu's do the work for their servers....
Although I seriously don't believe that that's the case, it would explain some of the weird stuff going on...
EVE uses a lot of cpu on my computer too - in fact, the sound sometimes lag because of this - something that shouldn't happen on a xp2700+ (my gfx card sucks though - gf4mx - could be part of the problem, since it seems impossible to tweak the graphics...)
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:25:00 -
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actually, it is a problem that eve uses this much processor power CONSTANTLY. usually, you get that type of constant use with Seti, proggies to burn in your program, rendering a 3d image, number crunching, etc.
pre castor, it was not like this. IT DOES AFFECT SYSTEM PERFORMANCE. i can't play in windowed mode anymore because of this (xp2700+, 1gb ram)
i'd understand if it was half life 2 or doom 3.
1. either they have offloaded a lot of computation from the server to client side
2. there is still a memory leak they have not been able to fix or find yet
3. they have done something to the graphics engine, i've notice everytime i pan around and pass in view of say a station, the client lags very much...
either way, it's annoying as hell.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.28 22:26:00 -
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qoute qoute qoute...
get the idea?
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.29 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 29/12/2003 23:47:44
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Monty Burns
NT 4 MCSE (all the way up to 2k - will be doing XP/2003 at the end of my current contract)
6502, 68000 to 68030 (game published at age 14 in 6502 assembler and x-virus writer, yes I needed a life)
AS/400 IBM Certified System Admin at v3r3m0 and up to v5r1m0
Just wondered what your MCP ID was. Then we will be able to see your incredible official exam resume.
I have only passed two exams so far, but this was enough to learn from Trancender that any process that constantly uses 100% cpu time no matter what speed processor should be terminated, uninstalled and to get a version that works.
PS its people like you that make me want to say "B******T" and "B****X". What I mean is, twoddle, rubbish, nonsense. LIES
-=Excuse my language Children=-
Oh another thing Monty, I love the way you flamed me all that time, but didnt actually disagree with what i said.
"But you are correct, everything in a popular O/S suppliers documentation is correct, after all ... we can look to there code as an amazing example ;-)"
Did you ever hear the phrase "Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit"? Ok it is the funniest.
I really am sorry if my language upset any youngsters btw.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.30 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 00:21:08
Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 00:10:39
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Edited by: testerkid on 29/12/2003 13:12:36
Edited by: testerkid on 29/12/2003 13:07:18
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Edited by: Shaemell Buttleson on 28/12/2003 17:39:06
this is a definite problem and if you dont think so testerkid get the mcse manuals.
don't you need to get a better system if you are unhappy? I can run eve smoothly and have a low end system. only needed a little tweeaking and oh. NO MANUAL
and listen to Xailia couldn't have wrote it better myself.
IZON. I think that is client-server sided had those freezes, before castor. what I think is odd is that I don't get them every day. can play for like 5 days without freezes then I have 1 or 2 days with freezes then they are gone again.
What arrrrre you talking about kid? "Client-server side"? Which one are you talking about? oh sorry you are trying to bore everyone out of reading this thread with techno babble.
You should be able to stabily run the software on a system with the specs on the box,(ok give it a little leniancy) not to mention four times as good.
I DO doubt you could have put it any better than Xalia. With both of your qoutes combined I have got more than a light wiff of Oxen Manure.
Perhaps you should RTFM, or even read a Spot The Dog Book, if manuals are too true to life for you.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.30 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 02:02:19
Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 01:59:57
Edited by: Tangentoar on 30/12/2003 01:59:33
THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK!!!
Let Me get this right.
Not only do you hold umpteen MCSE's, you are building the biggest robot in the UK. hmmmm. So you can hack into my bank account too. Right.
You get more and more beleivable by the minute. More likely you work for CCP. You can tell me my bank balance in isk. Well whopedee doo.
By the way exactly WHAT do you know about assembler? EVE uses Python. An easy to program language designed for quick writing and cheap work force.
Qoute from http://www.eve-online.com/faq/faq_07.asp
EVE uses a special Stackless version of Python for both the server and the client. This makes for a much simpler creation of game logic than what was available in the past
How much do I know about Programming? Lets just say enough to that know you are full of it.
However i do agree with you in many ways. This game has a great concept. - I am still playing it arnet I? It also has a great market system and economic substructure, with unrivaled unique structural evolution (yeah i can use long words too).
This thread has had precious few gems of decent arguaments in compared to the topic title!
This thread, for those of you who have forgotten, is about the fact that Eve continuasly uses wayyyyy more cpu time than it has any right to. In fact, 100% most of the time. This was a situation that Trancender practise exams say should not happen to any process anywhere. (if you doubt me, I CAN find the question number etc, and qoute it, but frankly cant be bothered at the moment. I may stumble across it this week, if i ever do any revision that is) Maybe Trancender are wrong too.
Also what is strange is that no matter how big a processor you put in, it the cpu usage stays the same. I have just stuck a 2400+ instead of the old 1700+.
Oh well. If you want me to shut up Monty transfer some money into my bank account... you know the details 300 million isk will do it. ;)
If anyone has any sensible reasons for this, EG not lies, then please reply.
PS I wont mind if CCP tell us the truth, in fact I would be happy to hear that my processor is actually doing something usefull for a change.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.30 02:14:00 -
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BTW read what Jasp says, I dont really understand half of it but it sounds like he knows what he is talking about. (besides agreeing with me ;)
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.30 12:41:00 -
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Actually, it only says it uses Python for the game logic. The game itself consists of a lot more than game logic, and my guess is that most of it is written in C/C++.
It's not uncommon to mix different languages when programming.
Fair dos
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.30 12:44:00 -
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I just had an idea... maybe EVE spits out as many frames as it can without any kind of framerate limiter, thereby causing the CPUs to use a lot of cpu power? (I don't have any kind of evidence that this is the case, just an idea of what MIGHT be going on).
It seems that P4 machines don't have this problem, so maybe it's something related to hyperthreading or something the amd cpu:s dont't support and must emulate?
Just ideas, nothing more...
Nice idea, but why are the graphics so jerky? Escpecially when panning around! The graphics arent that complex. With a processor this fast, even with AMD (Which are pretty damn good) most games you can semidecently play with no OpenGL or anything, just sheer processing power. The Fact that it is Direct X 9 Should make it even smoother
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2003.12.31 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 31/12/2003 19:52:38
Ok I take it all back, I was imagining it, I was just out to cause trouble, I really didnt want an explanation, suggestions or technical support, I just Wanted to hack you off. All Programs should run at 100% all the time.
Btw, I run adaware, so its not Spyware or anything. I know how to run a sytem. There is 700 odd meg of ram and RAID so it is not HDD access problems.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.01 18:33:00 -
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This thread made me spit my coffee out :)
He actually thinks a robot is something that says 'DANGER WILL ROBINSON!' and doesn't understand even the most basic task will race CPU usage to 100% even if only for 1ms.
Incidentally with your attitude and language Mr. Tangentoar I pray you don't work for me because I'd be scared if you talked to customers like that.
Robots DO say that!
(darn you for being funny)
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.01 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 01/01/2004 18:48:55
just noticed that the cpu time is high from the splash screen to the log in screen and even in stations (without the 3d stuff turned on). Cant see it being graphics.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.01 23:58:00 -
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Dude, my computer is a fine piece of equipment. It is more tuned than a tuna. or a gospel choir.
Yes, frankly I wouldn't care too much about the CPU being continuasly that high, even though it is not right, it is the lag that bugs me.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.02 00:02:00 -
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As far as I know, GAMES alway take 100% of processor. It like that...
All the game I know and played Win98/2k take 100% process.
In 98 how did you tell the processor was 100%?
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.02 15:59:00 -
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Love the comparison btw, Eve to Porsche. 
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.02 16:01:00 -
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If it always tries to get the highest frame rate for graphics...
A Why is it not smooth
B Why is the CPU bothered about this, thought the graphics card was responcible for graphics.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.03 17:25:00 -
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I still think that this is an awful lot of work for a CPU to do, the graphics are not that complex, I am running at 1024x768 with only 16 colours. Most fo the Glitter is turned off also.
I have found that turning off the in station 3d stuff makes the station load up time a bit faster though and would recomend doing this to anyone who is willing to give it a try, (its in the general tab after pressing Esc in game- cant remember what it is called).
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.04 01:05:00 -
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I am now docked in a station, no 3d stuff at all. no channels open, everything as minimized as possible. I have turned off every little bit of glitterm and the sound (manually through the config file).
I try to move the mouse about, and hey presto it jitters and jogs about. What is teh EVE Client doing? What is my cpu doing racing at 100%. I have done installations on 2000 server family initaily, then regular 2000 then xp. same same same. All drivers for everything are fresh of the net. I have every update.
If the EVE client is not doing a whole lot of work for CCP I really think that it has to be bad code.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.04 17:07:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 04/01/2004 17:14:31
Tallan:
nope
my system is sweet as a nut, always has been, always will be.
When running full screen, the lag goes, but the cpu is still hogged.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.04 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tangentoar on 04/01/2004 17:13:25
Edited by: Tangentoar on 04/01/2004 17:13:00
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There IS 3D un the stations - just watch the background! You can zoom in/out your ship and rotate and stuff too...
I noticed that my fps is constantly ~20fps (or less) - time to get a better graphics card...
Press Esc in game, under the generic tab, there is the option to "Load Station Environment". Untick this and no in station 3d.
The CPU is still going like the clappers even with no 3d stuff. I dont think it is 3d related.
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.07 23:42:00 -
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Yeah, Norton Ghost is ideal. I know what you mean, but I believe that since NT based systems are around that FFR stuff is much less necessary. Thanks goodness for windows 2k Direct X 6.1 eh?
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Tangentoar
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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:42:00 -
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While in station, with 3d graphics turned off, the cpu still runs this high. Not only that, it runs this high from the splash screen to through to the options pages. When there are no 3d graphics at all, Eve.exe still uses 100% of the cpu time. This should not happen to any process, according to Trancender. Look it up in newsgroups if you dont believe me!
Also if it were graphics, you would expect it to vary with the ammount of detail actually on screen.
The big deal is I can't run winamp and eve at the same time tbh. Or open Calc without lag.
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