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milandinia
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Posted - 2016.11.22 04:04:35 -
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Let's say you have a job in research in an engineering complex, with a BPO. Someone hits your complex and sends it to RF mode, can you still extract the BPO (i.e. just cancel the job and take it out), or is it stuck in the job queue until either the complex repairs it self or it blew up, and you retrieve it from asset safety?
I know you can move hanger items during the RF timer but not sure about cancellation of jobs.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.11.24 01:33:28 -
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I'm trying to answer my own question with a few tests on SiSi but I tested your cases as well (partially at least):
- If the structure is in Reinforcement Mode after its shields are lost all jobs continue normally. You can cancel research jobs (I tested for ME research) and the BPOs drop into your item hangar.
- If the Citadel/EC owner decides to offline the Research Lab manually, the research jobs stop but you can still cancel them and the BPOs drop into your item hangar. I guess that this is also the case if the service modules go offline because they forgot to supply enough fuel but I didn't test that.
- In both cases manufacturing jobs can be canceled as well, BPOs drop into the item hangar but the material invested into the jobs is lost. Weird detail: In the first case (RF mode 1 and jobs are still running) you get a warning (tooltip over the Cancel button) that you will lose the material. In the second case (Service module manually switched offline) you don't get this warning but the material is lost nonetheless.
- Still to test:
-- What happens if the structure is in Reinforcement Mode 2 after its armor is lost?
-- What happens if the owner decides to even unfit the research lab or manufacturing plant modules?
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milandinia
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Posted - 2016.11.24 21:27:21 -
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Thank you! Yeah i know BPOs are protected in asset safety but wanted to know if you can still cancel the job (research, bpo copying, etc.) after shield and Armor RFs, it looks like from you that it would work after Shield.
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.11.25 01:23:27 -
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milandinia wrote:Thank you! Yeah i know BPOs are protected in asset safety but wanted to know if you can still cancel the job (research, bpo copying, etc.) after shield and Armor RFs, it looks like from you that it would work after Shield.
Now, I've continued the test after armor is down:
- You can still cancel the research job and the BPO drops into your item hangar.
- You can still cancel manufacturing jobs but material is still lost.
Most worrisome I find that the Citadel/EC owner can just unfit the service module (as long as the structure isn't damaged) which causes that all running jobs are canceled. You don't lose the BPO but the material in manufacturing jobs. It just means that the owner can cancel public jobs and thus destroy the invested material of his "customers". Hmmmmm, is that really intended 
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milandinia
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Posted - 2016.11.25 14:54:24 -
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Well, it is YOUR citadel :) so technically yeah.
Not sure i'd trust a public citadel except markets.
Kolmogorow wrote:milandinia wrote:Thank you! Yeah i know BPOs are protected in asset safety but wanted to know if you can still cancel the job (research, bpo copying, etc.) after shield and Armor RFs, it looks like from you that it would work after Shield.
Now, I've continued the test after armor is down: - You can still cancel the research job and the BPO drops into your item hangar. - You can still cancel manufacturing jobs but material is still lost. Most worrisome I find that the Citadel/EC owner can just unfit the service module (as long as the structure isn't damaged) which causes that all running jobs are canceled. You don't lose the BPO but the material in manufacturing jobs. It just means that the owner can cancel public jobs and thus destroy the invested material of his "customers". Hmmmmm, is that really intended
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Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2016.11.25 23:05:49 -
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milandinia wrote:Well, it is YOUR citadel :)
Yes, that's true but somehow I miss the tools to avoid such a loss of material if you want to avoid that - actually on both sides because the Citadel/EC owner might not have bad intentions.
They simply cannot see which jobs are running in their facility and how long. Maybe they want to swap out the manufacturing plant for a reprocessing plant for whatever reason. They only get a warning when they try to unfit the service module "All jobs will be canceled. Do you really want that? etc..." So, what can they do? Look into their transaction journal to see who installed a job in their facility? And write eve-mails to everyone "Please don't setup new jobs. I'm intending to shutdown the plant! And btw: How long do your jobs still run?" ? Maybe the jobs are already finished anyway. What about new customers who might install a job in the meantime? Shall the owner put a container in front of the structure to warn everyone: "PLEASE DON'T INSTALL PRODUCTION JOBS!"?
That sounds all ridiculous. If they don't care and just confirm the warning some of their customers might get a heart attack the next morning: They login, happy that their batch of Marauder or Freighter jobs will be finished in 2 hours, and what they find is an empty job queue, no materials and BPCs returned to their hangar, no mail from the Citadel/EC about what happened. Everything is simply gone but the Citadel/EC is still there, apparently untouched and with no damage. It just looks like a bug. Then, if they receive the reply upon their bug report "It's an intended feature, not a bug" (is it?) they get the second heart attack.
So, the lesson for now is to extend a well-known saying to "In a public Citadel/EC produce only what you can afford to lose"? Or get in touch with the owner corp and develop some relationship of trust to minimize the risk? Or just cross fingers? Or only use your own structures for production? Something is left to be desired here.
Oh, sorry, I think I moved quite far away from your initial question... 
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milandinia
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Posted - 2016.11.26 18:44:04 -
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No worries, its' a good discussion - i think they may have to deal with it by refunding the minerals if the owner decides to shut it down. Similarly for jump clones they are destroyed if the module is removed.
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