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R0niN kR0
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: R0niN kR0 on 02/04/2007 23:18:51
this bob masterplan is great as killing d2 titan plan maybe better.nice to see all those whining on forum.tbh we need more plans as this one to make forum interesting:D
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Karrimdra
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Basilii Hmm , so my question is , how come Molle was so sure that d2 couldnt use their jumpbrige? and he wasnt afraid to leave his capitols without support in f-t?... because if somehow d2 support of 200 would have came to f-t i think bob qould have suffered cap ships loses too . my personal wiew and thoughts .
Quite sure 2 titans can handle a support fleet of 1000+ due to the lag that fleet will cause. From nothing to something in just one corp!
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Tod Klemp
Gallente K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:27:00 -
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One Percent
Caldari Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:42:00 -
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Coalition 2 days ago: "Hooray! Go us! Mission accomplished! We will rid the universe of evil BOD, we are awesome!"
Today: "OMG they cheated! They used dev powers! WAAAA!"
I love it, so much comedy. -
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ceaon
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:44:00 -
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i only say if are 500 ppl defending a POS and u need 1000 to take that POS down the SERVER MUST handle 1500 player
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
They write the code, don't they?
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Tod Klemp
Gallente K-Street Project
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Posted - 2007.04.02 23:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tod Klemp on 02/04/2007 23:54:31
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
They write the code, don't they?
Yep and you mine the roids. Everyone has their place.
Edit: I remember pre-war how some thought D2 was close to bob's equal. Atleast we know you are closer to ascn than bob.
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:04:00 -
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To the OP: Good show, don't, even how much dislike there is, underestimate your opponent ... ever! I like a good strategy too when I see/hear one, even if it wasn't made up beforehand, like I think this was.
To the thread: Last year I saw ppl whine about nodes crashing, now the node didn't crash and there is still whining? C'mon progress made, next year perhaps without lag?
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:06:00 -
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Why are people complaining about lag that affected EVERYONE? Wasn't the objective to kill the POS? Regardless of lag, or system caps, that objective was achieved, right? So that means despite the hardware restrictions, it was still enough to do the mission. Of course, only 70 capitals getting in doesn't mean that the next times would only require 70 capitals. This is because we do not know who the god of lag will bless, so it's better to have enough so that even if only a third of the people can actually target and fire, or activate modules, it will still be enough.
Look, people, this is just like EVE from 2 years ago with lag in battleship fights. The game has come quite a long way since. It's just hard to please some people. Give them a finger and they demand a hand, give them a hand and they demand an arm.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
It's definitively not coalition's fault...
I duno about the rest of BOb + Alliance tc but tbh im getting sick of this BOB DEV ****, IT WAS ONE DEV AND THREE BOBS MEMBERS, get that into your skulls, BOB as an alliance was NOT cheating.
YOU KNWO DAMN WELL that 2k pilots cannot fit into one system, YOU AS A COALTION caused the system lag. BOB defende there pos and u jumped in tripple there numbers and you caused the lag, so how about you stop saying we/bob/allies did
It was a trap, you took it, u lost 57 dreads and now u have to justify the loss
Blame BOB Blame CCP Shout BOB/DEV h4x all u want
You took the bait bob put out, you as a coaltion need to get organized, you are rash, impulsive and act without thought
Two pointers n i dont care what u say
1. U lost 57 dreads to a trap and now ur bitter 2. You want to justify your lossess to bob/dev h4x
Get over it, they set it, u took it
Moan all u want, u have only yourselves to blame
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Kespii
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi Ya know, If I was in BOB, I'd leave. Because regardless of what they have or do accomplish, everything will be tainted by the stench of cheating.
In this case....well....the tidbit of information that the system had a 700-man limit was worth more than any Tech II BPO. Did BOB know in advance? No idea. But that suspicion will certainly be in the back of my mind. Especially so as these 'Undocumented Features' seem to continually work in BOB's favor.
Now, as presented the plan was pretty good from BOB's side: Defend a POS and try to cripple the enemy's Capital Fleet. Use misinformation to make it so that they were shooting a semi-worthless target. But the Coalition had a plan too: Send in support when the POS blew to let the Capitals leave. Too bad that BOB was the only one who's plan was workable - oh, wait - the Coalition plan was workable, right up to the 700-man limit.
That kind of 'coincidence' leaves people with a very bad taste in their mouth.
I play Eve to try to build an Empire, and I used to look up to BOB as the model of how to do it right. I hoped for an invite to join them. Now, I'd have to turn it down if I got one - because I don't think that people would respect any of the work I did. The more brilliant I was, the more I'd be accused of cheating.
So did BOB attract the best players and therefore deserve to be on top of Eve? Sure. Will the Eve community ever give them the respect such an accomplishment deserves?
Never.
Because we just can't believe we play on a level playing field with them.
Oh come on, why leave if you can potentially have the chance to outsmart the ENTIRE eve population in this great war of ours? Bob shouldnt care about what the eve community thinks about them because the eve community cannot even fight strategically and tactically on the same level as Bob. You wonder why there are so many alliances willing to be on Bob's side? It's because we know who the real pvpers in this game are.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Flinx Evenstar on 03/04/2007 00:08:36 Tod..I have never mined a roid in my entire EVE life :P
Originally by: Rebellion It's just hard to please some people. Give them a finger and they demand a hand, give them a hand and they demand an arm.
You post without smack, so take this in the right way...
Give them 20 jump ins and they demand their entire fleet can get in ....oh wait
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Travling
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:14:00 -
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Originally by: One Percent Coalition 2 days ago: "Hooray! Go us! Mission accomplished! We will rid the universe of evil BOD, we are awesome!"
Today: "OMG they cheated! They used dev powers! WAAAA!"
I love it, so much comedy.
Note i said if they cheated it sucks but also we went into the heart of bob space and hit them with several alliances that they claimed where dead. At least if u are going to mock us do it correctly
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:13:08 NVM no point
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Travling
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
It's definitively not coalition's fault...
I duno about the rest of BOb + Alliance tc but tbh im getting sick of this BOB DEV ****, IT WAS ONE DEV AND THREE BOBS MEMBERS, get that into your skulls, BOB as an alliance was NOT cheating.
YOU KNWO DAMN WELL that 2k pilots cannot fit into one system, YOU AS A COALTION caused the system lag. BOB defende there pos and u jumped in tripple there numbers and you caused the lag, so how about you stop saying we/bob/allies did
It was a trap, you took it, u lost 57 dreads and now u have to justify the loss
Blame BOB Blame CCP Shout BOB/DEV h4x all u want
You took the bait bob put out, you as a coaltion need to get organized, you are rash, impulsive and act without thought
Two pointers n i dont care what u say
1. U lost 57 dreads to a trap and now ur bitter 2. You want to justify your lossess to bob/dev h4x
Get over it, they set it, u took it
Moan all u want, u have only yourselves to blame
we tried to jump in triple there numbers but it wouldn't even let 1/3 of there numbers in before starting to gripe plz know the info.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:16:01 Extactly My point
You KNEW the server would not take it, but u did it anyway
U lag out, bob lag out, we all lagged out
You lose 57 dreads + carrier for a empty capital pos
exactly how is this bobs fault?
Please explain
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:13:08 NVM no point
Blue...u talk a lot ...damm..u edited your post, u ninja
I was going to say that even BOB acknowledge we have killed a lot, this wont make sense now you edited, but we have had many battles and what is said on these forums by trolls and spectators does not reflect what happens in game
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar
Originally by: Blue Stratos Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:13:08 NVM no point
Blue...u talk a lot ...damm..u edited your post, u ninja
I was going to say that even BOB acknowledge we have killed a lot, this wont make sense now you edited, but we have had many battles and what is said on these forums by trolls and spectators does not reflect what happens in game
I agree with you and i admire what the coaltion is doing in a FC professional way, but dont u also agree that this dev/h4x crap is getting out of hand and the coaltion keeps using it everytime they lose a battkle?
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Travling
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:22:00 -
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Edited by: Travling on 03/04/2007 00:19:38
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Travling
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
It's definitively not coalition's fault...
I duno about the rest of BOb + Alliance tc but tbh im getting sick of this BOB DEV ****, IT WAS ONE DEV AND THREE BOBS MEMBERS, get that into your skulls, BOB as an alliance was NOT cheating.
YOU KNWO DAMN WELL that 2k pilots cannot fit into one system, YOU AS A COALTION caused the system lag. BOB defende there pos and u jumped in tripple there numbers and you caused the lag, so how about you stop saying we/bob/allies did
It was a trap, you took it, u lost 57 dreads and now u have to justify the loss
Blame BOB Blame CCP Shout BOB/DEV h4x all u want
You took the bait bob put out, you as a coaltion need to get organized, you are rash, impulsive and act without thought
Two pointers n i dont care what u say
1. U lost 57 dreads to a trap and now ur bitter 2. You want to justify your lossess to bob/dev h4x
Get over it, they set it, u took it
Moan all u want, u have only yourselves to blame
we tried to jump in triple there numbers but it wouldn't even let 1/3 of there numbers in before starting to gripe plz know the info.
Thats the point
You knew u couldnt yet u tried, now u cry when u have lsot 57 dreads
Oh the irony
umm no we didn't know we couldn't get in thats what people are stating cant u read the forms u post on???? and we didn't loose 57 dreads go get that number straight too i'm just saying that if we would of known all that could get in was maybe 90 people we would have done it differently.
forgot this part more people in bob knew about t20 then u could imagine. not just 4. So bob made this bed now they need to lay in it.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:23:30
Originally by: Travling
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Travling
Originally by: Blue Stratos
Originally by: Doc Punkiller
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
It's definitively not coalition's fault...
I duno about the rest of BOb + Alliance tc but tbh im getting sick of this BOB DEV ****, IT WAS ONE DEV AND THREE BOBS MEMBERS, get that into your skulls, BOB as an alliance was NOT cheating.
YOU KNWO DAMN WELL that 2k pilots cannot fit into one system, YOU AS A COALTION caused the system lag. BOB defende there pos and u jumped in tripple there numbers and you caused the lag, so how about you stop saying we/bob/allies did
It was a trap, you took it, u lost 57 dreads and now u have to justify the loss
Blame BOB Blame CCP Shout BOB/DEV h4x all u want
You took the bait bob put out, you as a coaltion need to get organized, you are rash, impulsive and act without thought
Two pointers n i dont care what u say
1. U lost 57 dreads to a trap and now ur bitter 2. You want to justify your lossess to bob/dev h4x
Get over it, they set it, u took it
Moan all u want, u have only yourselves to blame
we tried to jump in triple there numbers but it wouldn't even let 1/3 of there numbers in before starting to gripe plz know the info.
Thats the point
You knew u couldnt yet u tried, now u cry when u have lsot 57 dreads
Oh the irony
umm no we didn't know we couldn't get in thats what people are stating cant u read the forms u post on???? and we didn't loose 57 dreads go get that number straight too i'm just saying that if we would of known all that could get in was maybe 90 people we would have done it differently.
Oh come on mate, i am not nieve and yes my numbers are correct as i got ti from the kb's
YOU KNOW the serves will not handle that, u knwo damn well Jita lags out badly @ 500 people +, so don't treat me like an idiot saying *no we didn't know* because you as a person and a eve online player know that fleet battles of that magniture cannot happen atm with current server hardware and so does your leadership
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Travling
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:31:00 -
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we faced 4-1 odds with our dreads we didn't expect the system to be capped honestly why did they pick now to cap it i men ec-p8r how many people in local most of the time 600+ for what 2 weeks or when lv lost there cap ship yard what 1k people n local y cap it when we are going to attack bob and y not tell us before hand when we requested nod reinforcement. Im not going to argue this point with u no more here if u wanna finish this debate convo me ingame and we can go at if u like.
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Blue Stratos
Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:35:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Stratos on 03/04/2007 00:32:15 I dont want to go at it with you
They cpaped the system to stop a node crash and a server crash for two reasons i imagine
1. the other 30k people should not stop playing eve simply because we are killing eahc other n crash the server
2. A massive reimbursement petition list of peopel who crashed, lost ships etc
They did what they had to do to make sure the server didnt crash and they didnt get slammed with petitions, very good thinking from them
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Stratos
They did what they had to do to make sure the server didnt crash and they didnt get slammed with petitions, very good thinking from them
Might want to talk to LV about that
Shame the cap limit wasnt used for their yards
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Admiral Pieg
Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon The servers obviously wouldn't handle it, but that's not the players fault. So they shouldn't be punished for it. But it only takes someone with a bit of sense to look at the situation and realize that if there was no lag whatsoever, the coalition would not have lost a fraction of the dreads it did - and it would have spread the BoB forces thinly over a piece of toast in paste form.
What I'm saying is, there should be some kind of reparations for the players and alliances that lost ships due to circumstances beyond their control, and due to the server status.
But nobody can really deny the POS was going down regardless of anything.
Meh.. everyone lagged equally and that didnt stop bob from killing your dread fleet. Maybe you should have fired on the opposing fleet rather then the pos. ______________
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Solo2110
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.03 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
What I'm saying is, there should be some kind of reparations for the players and alliances that lost ships due to circumstances beyond their control, and due to the server status.
The coalition needs to stop petitioning ship losses to "lag" when they so obviously use lag as a weapon against BoB+allies. Stop crying to CCP when your plans backfire.
(My opinions may not reflect those of my corp or alliance)
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:16:00 -
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I begin to hate this war...for various reason here.
The first one its the bad habbit we have to always trow the responsability of the lag problem like a hot patatoes to the other camp....BoB Empire or The Coalition...etc, all depending of the side you are here.
Its not Bob, not the Coalition or not anybody fault if the lag screw the game....its only because the CCp game mecanic can't support all this titanic war. Their hardware totally can't and its blow their own dream to create the OFMG space game ever...they now discover the sad frontier of their ambition.
This war its a massive one and a Hated one where two opposing force want to destroy their ennemy until the last ships, pod and dignity... with no pity and without honor.
In a philosophic point of view....THis Eve war are too much bigger for a game...its prove than the human nature can'T be totally transfer into a game...because our power to destroy its too big that this game mecanic just fall over to try to reproduce it...haha funny no? :P
But we all know that in the end of this conflict ...nobody gonna win . Sad but true!
Because if the Coalition win, some of us are one day or another shoot the other blues ones.....and a total choas war gonna happen.
If Bob Empire win, they gonna rulez Eve like what..1 month and they gonna gets bored? lol So they gonna disband or leave all their territory to begin a new era and all the war gonna come back again..etc
So for my case, to loose or win this war... i dont ******* care, because I play Eve for fun not to win.
So if people play this game just for win or prove they are God-like people, one message to you...
Get a life?!
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 02/04/2007 21:33:45
So the server state is Bob's fault?
The amount of **** that comes out about BoB and you're still in every thread constantly making comments.
At this point, i wouldn't be surprised if Jita crashed just so Molle could get his Badger II through without hassle.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra His point was that the "plan" was written after the occurance and he implied it is unlikely that how things turned out beared any resemblance to how things were planned. I would tend to agree.
Again, no way to know, but in general that's a safe assumption. 'No plan survives first contact.'
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Sargonius
Minmatar Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:21:00 -
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i blame the 20000000000 fighters ( see videos and screenshots as proof)!!! hahah
ok im out
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Xeron Silverblade
Esthar Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.03 03:30:00 -
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from a empire carebear's view,
it IS hardly denieable that many flavours of "features" like shooting through pos shields, login priorities or system caps MAY be things that were always there but nobody knew how they worked. and it IS hardly denieable that these "features" always worked for bob before anyone else got to know them.
why doesn't ccp comment about the system cap? no matter why it was placed (at that it was placed is confirmed by both sides) shouldn't there be a offical statement?
and no matter whether sirmolles plan was true as baiting coalation forces with an empty pos, the fleet setup he comfirms in his post look like they definitely knew about the cap.
would ccp mind making a statement on that so this discussion may come to an end - one way or another? kthx.
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