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Neo Providence	Posted - 2007.04.03 03:02:00 - [1] It is exactly what the title meant.what is better in lvl 4 missions? a cs or a bs? a cs is definetly better at tanking but a bs can fit more damageing weapon. so which on is better. I know some people who pilot cs for lvl 4 missions and i wannna know if thi is better then a bs.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.03 03:04:00 - [2] i prefer battleships myself, more dps = faster missions
Byzan Zwyth Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.03 03:44:00 - [3] yeah but even in lvl4 missions most of the rats are below BS size and a command ship will probably be faster at killing those because of better tracking with med guns but i'm a noob so what do I know ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder Pointless forum slowing bandwidth hogging signature pic inc?
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return	Posted - 2007.04.03 05:36:00 - [4] Originally by: Byzan Zwyth yeah but even in lvl4 missions most of the rats are below BS size and a command ship will probably be faster at killing those because of better tracking with med guns but i'm a noob so what do I know True, but unless you fly a Nighthawk, you also have considerably less range than a battleship which makes for more travellingtime between targets. All together, it's a matter of preference, and a matter of SP of course, CCs take a lot of time.
Alyth Gallente Ma-Ven Industries Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 06:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Neo Providence It is exactly what the title meant.what is better in lvl 4 missions? a cs or a bs? a cs is definetly better at tanking but a bs can fit more damageing weapon. so which on is better. I know some people who pilot cs for lvl 4 missions and i wannna know if thi is better then a bs. Well you can do them in an Ishtar as quick as you can in a Domi
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.03 07:38:00 - [6] I personally do lv 4's in a Nighthawk. I only just started them tbh, but ive tried both a cerb, nighthawk and raven. Raven = ok tank, good dps, good range, slow Nighthawk = GREAT tank, average dps, good range, Medium speed Cerb = Great speed tank/gistii tank, good dps, VERY GOOD raven, VERY GOOD speed. Regarding CBCs...my nighthawk can passively tank the whole last level of Vengeance Guristas, passively, sticking at 65% shield - and im not tanking specific damage either. Lowest resist = 79% EM. DPS wise - It took me a considerable time to break the boss's tank on Venegeance. Problem with heavies is they dont back a punch like torps, and combined with the fact that one defender pops a heavy...its not great for the whole thing - But nothing beats popping a cruiser in 2 volleys two 6 second volleys :)
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.04.03 07:46:00 - [7] Originally by: Waxau Regarding CBCs...my nighthawk can passively tank the whole last level of Vengeance Guristas, passively, sticking at 65% shield - and im not tanking specific damage either. Lowest resist = 79% EM.) so can my raven ;-) and i can pop the 2.5m in ... under 2 minutes. Can your nighthawk? I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Shadowsword Kermit Space Industies	Posted - 2007.04.03 08:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Waxau But nothing beats popping a cruiser in 2 volleys two 6 second volleys :) A railgun astarte does: 3 volleys max for an average cruiser, and it fires much faster. Gun command ships do more dps (no damage lost of missiles against small targets, no defender spam, no missiles wasted after an already destroyed target), and while the don't have an uber optimal range like missiles, this problem isn't that important when you move at 420m/s. And they're way more fun to fly than a raven. ------------------------------------------ A big nuke may be nice in a strategy game, but something like this in a game where every unit is a player, and each death costly, is insane.
Klavayne Pack Of Shadows	Posted - 2007.04.03 08:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Waxau But nothing beats popping a cruiser in 2 volleys two 6 second volleys :) Except popping a cruiser in two 4.8 second volleys!
Riho Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.03 08:51:00 - [10] Originally by: Tista i prefer battleships myself, more dps = faster missions depends on missions tbh... i use both... raven and astarte but in some missions the astarte out dps the raven :) --------------------------------------- Sig killed by MODs.... reworking it Great being Gallente... aint it ? ----------------- YARRRR, sig hijack! -HornFrog -----------------
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Alyth Originally by: Neo Providence It is exactly what the title meant.what is better in lvl 4 missions? a cs or a bs? a cs is definetly better at tanking but a bs can fit more damageing weapon. so which on is better. I know some people who pilot cs for lvl 4 missions and i wannna know if thi is better then a bs. Well you can do them in an Ishtar as quick as you can in a Domi I can assure you that I do mission faster in my domi than anyone in the game does in an ishtar (6*425 rail shield tanked domi ftw). And a raven with a target painter still does 250-350 damage/missile on cruisers (a few BCUs and good skill also required), so its hard to find missions that can be done faster with medium sized guns. But if you exclude the raven and shield tanked domi, some command ship can probably do missions about as fast as the other BSes, maybe even faster in some cases.
Leandro Salazar Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:24:00 - [12] CNR pops all BCs and most cruisers in one volley TBH no commmand ship comes close to the gank performance of a properly setup high damage BS in any L4 mission. Even if you have just one BS for every 3-4 cruisers, its higher resistances and higher HP mean that the HP amount you need to kill is still highest on the BS portion of the mission NPCs. The only ships where commandships probably really outclass BS are NPC AFs and HACs, but those are few and far between, and usually accompanied by so many BS that any advantage for CS is negated. Otoh, a properly setup gank BS is far from cheap, and I guess any command ship can perform as well as a cheaply fitted BS. My Sleipnir gank probably compares to a T1 fitted armortanked arty pest, but it falls far oh yes very far indeed short of my CNRs gank. It does tank like hell though. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.03 09:51:00 - [13] Originally by: Leandro Salazar CNR pops all BCs and most cruisers in one volley TBH no commmand ship comes close to the gank performance of a properly setup high damage BS in any L4 mission. Even if you have just one BS for every 3-4 cruisers, its higher resistances and higher HP mean that the HP amount you need to kill is still highest on the BS portion of the mission NPCs. The only ships where commandships probably really outclass BS are NPC AFs and HACs, but those are few and far between, and usually accompanied by so many BS that any advantage for CS is negated. Otoh, a properly setup gank BS is far from cheap, and I guess any command ship can perform as well as a cheaply fitted BS. My Sleipnir gank probably compares to a T1 fitted armortanked arty pest, but it falls far oh yes very far indeed short of my CNRs gank. It does tank like hell though. Nighthawk has many positive points which a CNR wont be able to get near :) And ontop of that...A CNR is alot more pricy than a nh :P
Utani Amarr BlackTalon Mining Corp	Posted - 2007.04.03 11:33:00 - [14] It's a question I would like to know the answer of myself. I use an Absolution for lvl 4's and with a full t2 setup and faction repper it will do most lvl 4 missions. Not pirate slaughter or enemies abound 1 though. Gets a bit annoying and expensive when you have to use t2 ammo for long range(60km) so skilling for T2 bs gunnery atm to try out an Abaddon
Leandro Salazar Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Waxau Nighthawk has many positive points which a CNR wont be able to get near :) And ontop of that...A CNR is alot more pricy than a nh :P I wont deny that, but most of those positive points are pretty meaningless in L4 missions. It has a stronger tank. but what use is that when my CNR can tank all lvl4s already anyway? It does more damage to small targets, but since the big HP in L4s are in BS and BCs, that is not all that useful. It flies and warps a bit faster, I guess that might be an advantage in 5 gate missions, but is negligible for most. All the while a CNR has like twice the DPS of a NH, which is all that really matters once your tank can survive a mission. The only true advantage is that a NH works well enough with cheaper equipment. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
inSpirAcy The Solopwnmobiles	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:16:00 - [16] Edited by: inSpirAcy on 03/04/2007 12:12:30 Originally by: Utani Gets a bit annoying and expensive when you have to use t2 ammo for long range(60km) so skilling for T2 bs gunnery atm to try out an Abaddon TBH, I ended up doing the same in the Abaddon. Mega Pulse is the best way to approach short range combat but you still end up firing Scorch L to lay down decent damage at 40-50km. Microwave just isn't enough to kill the long range orbiting BS. I don't find Aurora M that expensive to run. The time it saves me in cleaning up missions is more than worth the cost of a set.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:25:00 - [17] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Waxau Nighthawk has many positive points which a CNR wont be able to get near :) And ontop of that...A CNR is alot more pricy than a nh :P I wont deny that, but most of those positive points are pretty meaningless in L4 missions. It has a stronger tank. but what use is that when my CNR can tank all lvl4s already anyway? It does more damage to small targets, but since the big HP in L4s are in BS and BCs, that is not all that useful. It flies and warps a bit faster, I guess that might be an advantage in 5 gate missions, but is negligible for most. All the while a CNR has like twice the DPS of a NH, which is all that really matters once your tank can survive a mission. The only true advantage is that a NH works well enough with cheaper equipment. Maybe the fact that i can fit fof missiles, and go afk for a while :)
Leandro Salazar Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:43:00 - [18] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Leandro Salazar Originally by: Waxau Nighthawk has many positive points which a CNR wont be able to get near :) And ontop of that...A CNR is alot more pricy than a nh :P I wont deny that, but most of those positive points are pretty meaningless in L4 missions. It has a stronger tank. but what use is that when my CNR can tank all lvl4s already anyway? It does more damage to small targets, but since the big HP in L4s are in BS and BCs, that is not all that useful. It flies and warps a bit faster, I guess that might be an advantage in 5 gate missions, but is negligible for most. All the while a CNR has like twice the DPS of a NH, which is all that really matters once your tank can survive a mission. The only true advantage is that a NH works well enough with cheaper equipment. Maybe the fact that i can fit fof missiles, and go afk for a while :) lol Well yeah there is that, but to an efficiency-***** like me that thought is so alien that it would never cross my mind. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
Neo Providence	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:14:00 - [19] ty, that pretty much answer my question. so i'm gonna train for lvl 4 in a battleship. the CS is just too expensive. the skills ans all. 80 for cs skill. so not worth it.
Beatrix Kindo	Posted - 2007.04.06 19:06:00 - [20] absolution setup 6 * heavy pulse II, 1 faction nos 1 * 10mn ab II, 2 cap rechargers II 1 * MAR II, 2 EANM II, 3 HS II, 1 DC II, rigs : 1 CCC, 1 thermic rig 82-89% resists, everything run forever, 500-700 dps depending on crystals..anything better than this?

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