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Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4382	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:15:11 - [31] - Quote Doesn't matter. That good ol' "either with us or against us" thing is alive and well here. Walking away from the grave existential threat that is the militia war is just not forgivable, you know... AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 857	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:21:43 - [32] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Doesn't matter. That good ol' "either with us or against us" thing is alive and well here. Walking away from the grave existential threat that is the militia war is just not forgivable, you know... To be fair, if you're not crying woe is me about the Drifters, you get pretty much the same reaction from an even greater majority these days.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8899	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:23:46 - [33] - Quote Let's not let Kim's neuroses derail this thread. Again, congratulations, Tuulinen-haan! And out of curiosity, can you fly a Guardian? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4382	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:24:44 - [34] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Stitcher wrote: Doesn't matter. That good ol' "either with us or against us" thing is alive and well here. Walking away from the grave existential threat that is the militia war is just not forgivable, you know... To be fair, if you're not crying woe is me about the Drifters, you get pretty much the same reaction from an even greater majority these days. At least that majority has a point. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 857	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:29:22 - [35] - Quote Oh not you too, Verin. Is 'unforgivable' really a reasonable reaction to that? We've had this conversation once already and you didn't seem to have gone that far into the wormhole at that point.
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6789	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:32:12 - [36] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Let's not let Kim's neuroses derail this thread. Again, congratulations, Tuulinen-haan! And out of curiosity, can you fly a Guardian? Yes. I'm a fully qualified Logisitics pilot now, although not terribly experienced! For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6789	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:33:17 - [37] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Stitcher wrote: Doesn't matter. That good ol' "either with us or against us" thing is alive and well here. Walking away from the grave existential threat that is the militia war is just not forgivable, you know... To be fair, if you're not crying woe is me about the Drifters, you get pretty much the same reaction from an even greater majority these days. I don't think EVERYONE needs to focus on the Drifters right now, I just feel a calling to help my people in THIS way and not in the other way. I'm not telling anyone else what to do, Mizhara. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4385	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:42:31 - [38] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Oh not you too, Verin. Is 'unforgivable' really a reasonable reaction to that? We've had this conversation once already and you didn't seem to have gone that far into the wormhole at that point. I said they have a point, no more than that. Do I think the Drifters pose such an imminent danger that I need to down tools and grab my gun? No. In fact I think the best place for me in the face of that potential threat is exactly where I am. You never know what we might find as we poke around out here in W-space, and in any case my presence helps safeguard the safety and prosperity of millions of people. I've worked in teams all my life, and a big part of that is knowing what your strengths are and when to apply them, and knowing what your teammates' strengths are and when to get out of the way and let them apply theirs. Right now? I know that the two entities I care about the most in K-space - the State and the Republic - are still in a sufficiently strong position that my contribution would be strategically negligible. Origin on the other hand would suffer quite badly from my absence in a crisis. I'm not going to abandon it unless I have a truly pressing reason to do so. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Ashlar Vellum Esquire Armaments 356	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:44:36 - [39] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Diana Kim wrote: Gallente are pressing on all directions. Many systems are still occupied, and we need every hand to secure our space. And in these times you decide to leave the State to fight a threat, that unlike Federals remains just a phantom threat. I consider such decision both alogical and unpatriotic. Commander, the drifters have attacked State assets and research facilities, and battles have been waged between them and the Caldari Navy. It is not a phantom threat. I know they are the enemies of both Caldari State and Amarr Empire, ma'am. But at the same time - look at the map. You can see how many systems are occupied by Gallente Federation and Minmatar Republic. Compared to that Drifter's presence is insignificant. Insignificant threats have a tendency to ball up and become significant if they are left unattended, so it's quite logical to deal with them head on first.
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 857	Posted - 2016.11.24 17:50:25 - [40] - Quote Certainly more fair, Verin, and I do congratulate Pieter on finding a tad more... constructive path in New Eden. You'll hear no complaints from me on that front.

Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 1446	Posted - 2016.11.24 18:15:41 - [41] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Oh, that's a valid concern actually. I should point out that I am in Morwen's employ solely as an anti-Drifter agent and that I will not be acting as part of the alliance that her Corporation is part of. I am not tied into Rote fleet communications at any level. I will not be flying in their fleets. I will not, in fact, be interacting with them in much of any way. That is a reasonable position to take. As I said before, I will reserve any public opinion and simply wish you happy hunting. "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4385	Posted - 2016.11.24 18:59:45 - [42] - Quote You appreciate that your sense of tact places you firmly in the minority in this crowd? AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Utari Onzo 13. Enigma Project 1448	Posted - 2016.11.24 20:24:38 - [43] - Quote Stitcher wrote: You appreciate that your sense of tact places you firmly in the minority in this crowd? I'm sorry, but was that addressed to myself or Del'thul? "Face the enemy as a solid wall For faith is your armor And through it, the enemy will find no breach Wrap your arms around the enemy For faith is your fire And with it, burn away his evil"
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 857	Posted - 2016.11.24 20:29:16 - [44] - Quote I have been accused of many things in my life, but 'being tactful' would be an entirely new experience.
Vollhov Jr SOERI Academy 144	Posted - 2016.11.24 21:21:48 - [45] - Quote Quote: He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. (-ü) Eve Online Gallery/Final Journey/My older brother
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 2951	Posted - 2016.11.24 22:58:21 - [46] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Let's not let Kim's neuroses derail this thread. And here we can witness the infamous Priano again. When people use logic, that show her or her acquaintances in unfavorable sight, she just call it 'neuroses'. This woman has been poisoning the IGS long enough. I would like to remind here everyone how she was spreading public slanders, how her lies were exposed and how she evaded taking responsibility for this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=381560 It is a miracle how in her mind a discussion of events described in the topic becomes a "derailment", to the degree she derails herself the discussion by posting her slanders. I have to bring apologies to the readers though, as this my reply weren't exactly discussion of the Pieter Tuulinen's decision. But slanders of this poisonous woman shall not be left without attention. Please excuse me. Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us. In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8899	Posted - 2016.11.24 23:14:31 - [47] - Quote You're excused, Kim. Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Tyrel Toov Non-Hostile Target 874	Posted - 2016.11.24 23:58:10 - [48] - Quote Congratulations on your shift in focus. May your ventures against the drifters prove profitable in every way. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 38	Posted - 2016.11.25 02:02:54 - [49] - Quote Oh, boy! I thought that drama between Priano and Kim was over, and now Makoto goes at it again. Brace yourself, IGS! I'll go hide under the couch, meanwhile. *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Deitra Vess Non-Hostile Target 1587	Posted - 2016.11.25 02:54:37 - [50] - Quote What DID she do.... exactl?

Jason Galente Hole Riders Spaceship Samurai 892	Posted - 2016.11.25 03:10:48 - [51] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: Oh, boy! I thought that drama between Priano and Kim was over, and now Makoto goes at it again. Brace yourself, IGS! I'll go hide under the couch, meanwhile. Oh look, the logi support wing returns to apply reps. Stay under that couch. With the dust bunnies and insects. Where you belong. Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole. And this foundation must be defended. *At any cost*
Jennifer Starfall Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 328	Posted - 2016.11.25 03:34:37 - [52] - Quote That's great news, Pieter. I hope your move goes smoothly. Oh, and Caroline, I love your new hairstyle; it's adorable. Jennifer Starfall Fifth Seyllin Conference
Makoto Priano Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium 8903	Posted - 2016.11.25 03:59:47 - [53] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: What DID she do.... exactly? Refer to Diana Kim as neurotic, which is a capital offense, nevermind that I actually spoke in her defense a few days ago. I doubt Kim or her parrots would acknowledge this, because it doesn't fit with her preferred narrative. But it's worth saying: Mika Firestorm seems to fly almost exclusively in support of Diana Kim, historically in an ECM support role, but most recently in drone boats. She often shows up as a sort of supporting cast, trying to provide more context for Kim's usual nonsense-- but somehow always serving to almost exclusively echo and support Kim's views, such as that I am at fault for Kim's patently idiotic nonsense. To say that you shouldn't give Ms. Firestorm any credence is to say the obvious, I think. But I digress. As much as Kim wants to make this thread about her, let's return focus to Tuulinen-haan, who I think we all agree is a stalwart Patriot. Pieter, are there any updates on the arcology project? I'm not sure if it's been a while or if I merely feel it has been...? Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 38	Posted - 2016.11.25 07:59:19 - [54] - Quote Makoto, are you just trolling everyone? Now even adding me into your drama you started with Diana. That's not my business what you have with her, but it is obvious it is you who are making this discussion about her, then claim that it she does, and then ask to make discussion about Pieter. That's just straightforward dumb, Makoto. Your games with me won't pass. Diana's points were actually quite solid and the facts she presented were provided by Rote members themselves. After Pieter's choice of employer, not just Kaalakiota, but even Ishukone with Hyasyoda would revoke his citizenship. Becoming a Rote member is even worse than putting a Templis Dragonaur sign on your chest. You can call things 'nonsense' as much as you want, Makoto. But if you wail and flail your hands they won't disappear just because you said so. You will just make yourself look silly. *State the nature of your medical emergency*
Mizhara Del'thul Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition 857	Posted - 2016.11.25 08:20:48 - [55] - Quote Does no one spray this place for sockpuppets anymore?
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4391	Posted - 2016.11.25 08:26:35 - [56] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: After Pieter's choice of employer, not just Kaalakiota, but even Ishukone with Hyasyoda would revoke his citizenship. Becoming a Rote member is even worse than putting a Templis Dragonaur sign on your chest. I musta been busy not paying attention. What did they do? AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Aria Jenneth Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 2643	Posted - 2016.11.25 08:45:44 - [57] - Quote Stitcher wrote: Mika Firestorm wrote: After Pieter's choice of employer, not just Kaalakiota, but even Ishukone with Hyasyoda would revoke his citizenship. Becoming a Rote member is even worse than putting a Templis Dragonaur sign on your chest. I musta been busy not paying attention. What did they do? A few Rote members made a noisy but not very successful attempt to assassinate Empress Catiz at her coronation speech using freighters loaded with explosives. They did do some damage to her Avatar-class titan, mind. It turned out they were kind of trying to pick a fight with the Empire's supporters generally (and weren't especially careful about whose lives they might be messing with in the process). The Amarr collectively said, "Pfft," Lady Tyrathlion's situation was looking dicey for a bit but has apparently stabilized, and the attackers haven't really been heard from since. Nothing much more seems to have come of it.
Stitcher Alexylva Paradox 4391	Posted - 2016.11.25 10:18:13 - [58] - Quote Well, that does at least make the Templis Dragonaur comparison a not unfair one, even if the Dragonaurs were rather more successful in their bombings. AKA Hambone Author of The Deathworlders
Pieter Tuulinen Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle 6799	Posted - 2016.11.25 15:57:32 - [59] - Quote Mika Firestorm wrote: Makoto, are you just trolling everyone? Now even adding me into your drama you started with Diana. That's not my business what you have with her, but it is obvious it is you who are making this discussion about her, then claim that it she does, and then ask to make discussion about Pieter, when she was discussing him before you popped out. That's just straightforward dumb, Makoto. Your games with me won't pass. Diana's points were actually quite solid and the facts she presented were provided by Rote members themselves. After Pieter's choice of employer, not just Kaalakiota, but even Ishukone with Hyasyoda would revoke his citizenship. Becoming a Rote member is even worse than putting a Templis Dragonaur sign on your chest. You can call things 'nonsense' as much as you want, Makoto. But if you wail and flail your hands they won't disappear just because you said so. You will just make yourself look silly. But here's the thing, Mika. Neither you nor Diana dictate to Kaalakiota. I've already disavowed Rote Kapelle, I'm not sure what more I'm supposed to do. As for Rote being a terrorist organisation, if my Corporation's CEO has not been charged as an enemy of the Empire, then why in the Maker's name would I be charged by The State for second-hand terrorism? You're talking about being guilty by association to someone who has been judged NOT guilty by association. For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Mika Firestorm Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics 39	Posted - 2016.11.25 16:32:45 - [60] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Mika Firestorm wrote: Makoto, are you just trolling everyone? Now even adding me into your drama you started with Diana. That's not my business what you have with her, but it is obvious it is you who are making this discussion about her, then claim that it she does, and then ask to make discussion about Pieter, when she was discussing him before you popped out. That's just straightforward dumb, Makoto. Your games with me won't pass. Diana's points were actually quite solid and the facts she presented were provided by Rote members themselves. After Pieter's choice of employer, not just Kaalakiota, but even Ishukone with Hyasyoda would revoke his citizenship. Becoming a Rote member is even worse than putting a Templis Dragonaur sign on your chest. You can call things 'nonsense' as much as you want, Makoto. But if you wail and flail your hands they won't disappear just because you said so. You will just make yourself look silly. But here's the thing, Mika. Neither you nor Diana dictate to Kaalakiota. I've already disavowed Rote Kapelle, I'm not sure what more I'm supposed to do. As for Rote being a terrorist organisation, if my Corporation's CEO has not been charged as an enemy of the Empire, then why in the Maker's name would I be charged by The State for second-hand terrorism? You're talking about being guilty by association to someone who has been judged NOT guilty by association. I am not talking about you being guilty or innocent, Mr. Tuulinen. Neither I have facts to make such an accusation, nor authority to make a verdict. I was just trying to say that being a member of Caldari State and member of anti-State and anti-Empire known terrorist organization is not possible. You need just to make a choice, whom you want to stay with, the State or Rote. And despite I dislike Rote for what they did or for what persons they harbor I won't be judging you for this. If you want to be with them - it's your choice. Just don't tell us you are with the State when you wear their badges. *State the nature of your medical emergency*



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