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Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:54:00 - [1] I propose a limit on all alts abilities to perform certain game actions. Alts can't.. Wardec. Buy or Sell through contracts. Receive Insurance payouts. Those above changes would instantly stop the majority of scams where there's no comeback. I've no problems with scams, wardecs and other unsavory things players do in EVE, but I'm totally against all forms of anonymity. You do the crime, we get to find you and give you some payback. The only other alternative is allow us to pay Locator agents to find ALL characters on the account and not just the one we are seeking. Alts should be people too, not in the current form where they are disposable puppets for their mains.
Elenoar	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:59:00 - [2] There's no such thing as an alt. We're allowed 3 characters per account.
defiler Caldari Mad Hermit	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:59:00 - [3] Edited by: defiler on 03/04/2007 15:57:34 How do you define an alt? edit: to clarify, I know an alt when I see one, but how do you define it so the eve system can recognise one without hitting "innocent" with the bat? *Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004.*
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:18:00 - [4] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot The only other alternative is allow us to pay Locator agents to find ALL characters on the account and not just the one we are seeking. METAGAMING, Lalalalalaaah.... All my alts (one) are on a different account paid for on the same credit card, so this solution would solve almost nothing imo. --- Mods stop nerfing my sig! Err - what sig? - Timmeh Yes quite!
Xs 142	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:21:00 - [5] I pay for my accounts with different CC#'s every month, catch me if you can Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:24:00 - [6] Different accounts = fine. Same account should be limited.
Sheriff Jones	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:32:00 - [7] Originally by: Xs 142 I pay for my accounts with different CC#'s every month, catch me if you can Got different mail address for all too? Different name in CC's? Originally by: Curzon Dax 1. I am not singing Ducktales.
Xs 142	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Xs 142 on 03/04/2007 16:29:52 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Xs 142 I pay for my accounts with different CC#'s every month, catch me if you can Got different mail address for all too? Different name in CC's? My happy CC bunch doesn't have names (Well, the do, random ones) And, nah, not the same mail, felt it would be confusing for myself if they all went to the same place. Edit: And, ya, at op: That wouldn't change anything at all. Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:35:00 - [9] Or people can be more careful and not get scammed. How do you define the "main char" on an account for the game to recognize? What about those who buy additional chars and keep them on the same account for different purposes? Don't try to ruin the game experience of the many due to a minority who scam.
Blue Stratos Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Krugerrand Or people can be more careful and not get scammed. How do you define the "main char" on an account for the game to recognize? What about those who buy additional chars and keep them on the same account for different purposes? Don't try to ruin the game experience of the many due to a minority who scam. Minority? have u looked @ global contract latley? I think any char that has been in a npc corp for more than 5 months should be able to use contract system Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Gralg Merglen Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:39:00 - [11] Edited by: Gralg Merglen on 03/04/2007 16:37:35 I don't understand what exactly you don't understand about same account alts already being limited as it is to train up this alt you have to take time away from training your main, stunting your main's skillpoints, thus making it no different than spending time grinding levels on some other generic MMO on a different character. The only difference being on eve that there is no true level cap where you can just say "Ok I've trained my main to this point now, time to grind my alts" edit would i also be correct in assuming that if you try to login to your account with a 2nd client to use your same account alt it would disconnect your first character? i don't know how about this. Mods nerfed my monkey :( evil point
Xs 142	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:40:00 - [12] I'm also curious about how you suggest that CCP are supposed to know which char's the main of the account? Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Larkonis Trassler Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot I propose a limit on all alts abilities to perform certain game actions. Alts can't.. Wardec. Buy or Sell through contracts. Receive Insurance payouts. Those above changes would instantly stop the majority of scams where there's no comeback. I've no problems with scams, wardecs and other unsavory things players do in EVE, but I'm totally against all forms of anonymity. You do the crime, we get to find you and give you some payback. The only other alternative is allow us to pay Locator agents to find ALL characters on the account and not just the one we are seeking. Alts should be people too, not in the current form where they are disposable puppets for their mains. Hmmm, what about those with one account who due to their sec status are unable to visit high sec to sell various faction goodies? What about all the LEGITIMATE high sec trade alts? ------------ Request for Privateer Sticky! Keep the forums clean!
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:43:00 - [14] what ? im not gonna pay for a 2nd account to have a fully abled alt !! bad idea ! miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Blue Stratos Originally by: Krugerrand Or people can be more careful and not get scammed. How do you define the "main char" on an account for the game to recognize? What about those who buy additional chars and keep them on the same account for different purposes? Don't try to ruin the game experience of the many due to a minority who scam. Minority? have u looked @ global contract latley? I think any char that has been in a npc corp for more than 5 months should be able to use contract system There are over 60,000 subscribers last time I checked. Unless 30,001 of them use at least one char to scam then they are the minority.
Sile Suirghiche Gaidhlig Technology	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Xs 142 I'm also curious about how you suggest that CCP are supposed to know which char's the main of the account? Simple enough to require one of the three slots to be designated as "Main". (Not that I'm saying it's a great idea, just that it's easy to do.)
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:45:00 - [17] My two alts have 3Mil and 8Mil SP - and are no way to be considered Alts - they have very specific uses - they just dont need to train anymore -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:45:00 - [18] Yeh silly idea. I have 6 characters over 2 accounts. 2 of the 6 have 35m+ sp, and the other 4 have 2m+ each. I use all my characters actively, none of which have any need/relation to scamming. A scammer (due to contract and market limitations) can only run so many scams at a time now. You should at least be happy with that, compared to the old escrow system where 1 scammer could run 50-100 scam auctions at a time. There are few ways to scam in this game with no comeback. The best possible comeback in your case, is to actually read things before you accept them. Sick of the waits with empire research slots? Use mine!
heheheh Singularity. The Cartel.	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Different accounts = fine. Same account should be limited. Bizarre, to say the least.
Northbridge Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Elenoar There's no such thing as an alt. We're allowed 3 characters per account. This about sums it all up doesnt it?
Tharsgaard Caldari Delta Troop 4th Cavalry Space Forces	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot Seperate accounts are not alts. Alternate characters on the same account are alts. Thats why they are called 'Alts'. So one person having a second account cannot possibly be said to have an alt, even tho I 'alternate' between the two, I 'alt-tab' between the two, I use one as my main character, and the other one is only there to do specific, things. sounds like an alt to me. ----------------------------------------- Delta Troop is recruiting, Join channel D4CAV.
Shane Jenkins	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:06:00 - [22] how about a petition to limit retarded forum posts? hell, I would be happy with a petition to add a block list to the forum.
tarabon ORIGIN SYSTEMS	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:07:00 - [23] Originally by: Haxa ill sign a petition to limit forum posting to 1 character per account, that way all 3 cant post how about limit forum post per account to 3 or just 1 a day ? should take some load of the server
Elgar Lightfoot Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:10:00 - [24] I wouldn't classify that as an alt as you are paying a seperate fee for that character. You are training seperately for him too. Thats clearly not an abuse alt. It's a completely seperate account, even if you do share ships and ISK. If you use your second account to scam/abuse another player then he should be able to trace all characters on that account, but only that account. If I create an alt to scam you then you should be able to find out who the other characters are on my account. You can then deal retribution upon all of them if you so wished. I shouldn't be able to escape your wrath simply by doing my nefarious deeds on a disposable alt.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:17:00 - [25] has someone been smoking ***** or somthing? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Tharsgaard Caldari Delta Troop 4th Cavalry Space Forces	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:23:00 - [26] I do agree with the whole account-abillity part (being able to trace chars on an account) and also being able to have retribution against scammers, corp-thieve's and the like, instead of people blindly ruining what can be months of work on the victim's side. Afterall, CCP intriduced being able to scam/theive, your way thru the game if thats what you want to do, but, the retribution against these players is sorely lacking. But what I dont agree with is limiting alt's in any way, it's been said before, if someone wants to play the game the way they want, on whatever char they chose, its there time and money, and no-one should be able to stop them. ----------------------------------------- Delta Troop is recruiting, Join channel D4CAV.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:29:00 - [27] Alts are immersion breaking. And limit business possibilities that could be formed if alts didn't exist. Piracy without hauler alts would indeed be different Maybe a hauling business could finally open up if it wasn't so easy to train for. Lets not even get into the holy trinity of alts that players have (The Mission Runner,The PvPer, The Researcher). Of course then there are forum alts cough
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:37:00 - [28] Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 03/04/2007 18:33:57 Originally by: Xs 142 Edited by: Xs 142 on 03/04/2007 16:29:52 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Xs 142 I pay for my accounts with different CC#'s every month, catch me if you can Got different mail address for all too? Different name in CC's? My happy CC bunch doesn't have names (Well, the do, random ones) And, nah, not the same mail, felt it would be confusing for myself if they all went to the same place. Edit: And, ya, at op: That wouldn't change anything at all. you don't happen to be stealing these credit card details are you? ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur shi... i said orbit... ORBIT... no don't fly off in that direction
Maxpie Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:39:00 - [29] I have long believed there should only be 1 character per account. Reputation and accountability are supposed to be an aspect of the game, but having all these extra characters takes that away. I no longer use alts and I must say, it really makes the game better for me in that it is so much more immersive. Sure, I have to play with others for certain things, etc. But I really feel much more like a citizen in the Eve universe, not just some guy playing a game in a pointless quest to somehow get one up on everyone else.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Nicholas Barker Edited by: Nicholas Barker on 03/04/2007 18:33:57 Originally by: Xs 142 Edited by: Xs 142 on 03/04/2007 16:29:52 Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Xs 142 I pay for my accounts with different CC#'s every month, catch me if you can Got different mail address for all too? Different name in CC's? My happy CC bunch doesn't have names (Well, the do, random ones) And, nah, not the same mail, felt it would be confusing for myself if they all went to the same place. Edit: And, ya, at op: That wouldn't change anything at all. you don't happen to be stealing these credit card details are you? brb,fbi

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