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Jente	Posted - 2003.06.05 17:45:00 - [1] Solon has ripped off the Ordo Novus corporation by giving himself all shares and then voting for himself to become CEO. After that, he stole everything. This is a serious exploit that can destroy the work of weeks. I don¦t think that CCP can let people like Solon get away with it. This is not the way it¦s meant to be played.
Sykosys	Posted - 2003.06.05 18:07:00 - [2] Wow that kinda sux, But isn't the ceo in charge of who can buy how many shares. I dunno I could be wrong on this matter. But I personally havn't been able to buy more than 5 shares in my corp. This would be something that needs fixing though iof its that easy. _______________________ "She'll fly apart sir," "FLY HER APART THEN!!!"
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.05 18:38:00 - [3] Yes, I was the CEO, and he had CEO rights. You abused the system, I feel real bad, as alot of our Blueprints, were member owned. He said, I was Nieve. The ingame shares DONT WORK, so why have them, there is no point to them, except for people to exploit them, We lost over 100 million in sales and BluePrints. We have been told to make a petition, by CCP. Explaining, how he minipulated us, CCP stand to loose customers over thits type of thing, so they cant take the "oh well what a shame attitude". Im having a hard job trusting people now, :(.
Jente	Posted - 2003.06.05 18:59:00 - [4] I think the "you can¦t trust anybody" opinion is not appropriate for a game that depends on people working together for their entertainment. What has happened is like kicking another player¦s balls in a football match. And what happens to players who do that?
Shintai	Posted - 2003.06.05 19:02:00 - [5] Currently paranoia is the only way to make a living in EVE :/ Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.05 19:06:00 - [6] Well to be honest, No player should be able to give shares accept CEO, thats the main problem, I lost our old beta corporation, cause he knew how to minipulate the game, :( Edited by: FOL1 on 05/06/2003 19:06:52
Shintai	Posted - 2003.06.05 19:10:00 - [7] If you need any help starting all over, financially etc. Then message me ingame. CoreTech will try to help you to a new start if needed. Edited by: Shintai on 05/06/2003 19:10:20 Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.05 19:26:00 - [8] Thankyou, this is how the game should be played, not with people exploited there extended knowledge. Also CCP should read the EVE manual sometime, there is no mention of shares, in manual or game, so in effect, solon, has exploited the shares system. Start a poll, ask how many people know how shares work, and we dont want people explaining, just yes or no. Edited by: FOL1 on 05/06/2003 19:26:26 Edited by: FOL1 on 05/06/2003 19:26:55
Giganike	Posted - 2003.06.05 21:29:00 - [9] Thats very harsh. If i see him i will pod kill him. "All for One and One for All!"
Jente	Posted - 2003.06.05 22:32:00 - [10] Now after some hours thinking about it, I would say that the following measures are absolutely necessary: -CCP has to terminate Solon¦s account because he exploited the game in a way that led to 30 customers turning into unsatisfied customers and even non-customers in some cases -Ordo Novus¦ leadership has to be granted to FOL1 again -All stuff that belongs to Ordo Novus and its members has to be given back -Ordo Novus has to be given the same factory and research slots that it had two days ago If this is not done more people will be encouraged to rip off their corps, even after months of gameplay. And there is nothing that players could do to prevent it, especially when corps grow. I am sad because this egoist destroyed most of the work we invested in building the corp. Perhaps he¦s even laughing about it, but who wants people like him as a friend?
Pyroe	Posted - 2003.06.05 23:10:00 - [11] There is more to this then just a player that ripped you guys off. Spill the beans. The whole story. It's sad enough as it is.
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2003.06.06 01:44:00 - [12] Know how we avoid that? We're all friends. Either trust someone or don't. If you trust them, you'd sure as hell better have a good reason to trust them. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Axelay	Posted - 2003.06.06 02:12:00 - [13] ::claps for Solon:: Way to go man, good show! _____ m0o
Pyroe	Posted - 2003.06.06 03:54:00 - [14] ::claps for Solon:: Way to go man, good show! _____ m0o Not if you knew the whole story my friend. It's more then simply a player taking down a corp.
Jente	Posted - 2003.06.06 06:39:00 - [15] I¦m waiting for the reaction of the GMs who said they¦re currently looking at the case. If the status of Ordo Novus is not restored within 3 days, I¦ll release more details, and that will hurt, I promise.
Do'Goth	Posted - 2003.06.06 06:55:00 - [16] Solon didn't use an exploit in the game, he expolited you. Why don't you tell the entire story how it happened, including the part about you being careless. CCP didn't grant ceo access to solon, you did. Sorry if that sounds harsh, but I was in a corp where something simular happened and it was the CEOs fault for trusting a new member to soon. I quit that corp mainly cause the CEO failed to see how it wasn't his fault. My current corp won't have this problem cause they understand the true nature of people. You guys really expect people to play nice all the time?
Jente	Posted - 2003.06.06 07:04:00 - [17] So if someone hacks the protocol and gets rich within a day, you propose that CCP let him get away with it because they didn¦t secure the protocol properly?? You must be kidding. The lack of information about the shares system and the way Solon took command - this is not the way the game is meant to be played, as I already said. In addition there is the part of the story that I¦d rather not publish. Those who are in control of the game are the ones who have to choose now.
Kreischweide	Posted - 2003.06.06 10:34:00 - [18] well the lack of information on the share system is a fakt. also a fakt is that hostile corp takeovers are part of the game ;) its not just "my corp and its mine forever". there are possibilites for ceo recall, also to buy a corp by getting all their shares (so who is the ceo now). well at least you got a point, because ccp realy offers no information. -- www.eve-i.com Programmer of EVEDude, exSTUFF and the Playlist Generator.
Bruce Karrde	Posted - 2003.06.06 11:02:00 - [19] lets hope you learned your lesson ... now get to work .. EVE doesnt end next week :) --------------- Advanced Dwarf Mining
Jente	Posted - 2003.06.06 12:25:00 - [20] To the people who say things like "hope you¦ve learned your lesson" and "it¦s part of the game": Imagine you¦re working at a company. You¦ve been given a key to the corporate facilities because it is necessary as you can¦t do your anything when you¦re unable to get in. Now you pack the company¦s money in bags and carry it home along with all construction plans of the stuff that the company produces. Oh, how stupid has that company been to let you access its facilities. And there is nothing that could be done about it. And no, although it is known that you are the thief no-one will come and search your home. Even the police say they can¦t do anything for the company, to give the money and the stuff back. In addition, from that moment on the company is yours, because you left a note on a desk saying you¦re the new boss and all others are fired.
Livak	Posted - 2003.06.06 14:22:00 - [21] Jente, I feel bad for you, I really do but... it IS your own fault for not securing your corp. Here is why. 1) You didn't take 51% of the shares yourself as CEO. This would have prevented the whole thing. 2) It is almost NEVER necessary to give out accountant/director permissions. That is the only way he could have given out shares to himself. You give out these permissions only with people who have PROVED repeatedly they can handle the responsibility. We don't even grant hanger access below our VP level right now. Just for everyones information, shares do work as far as paying dividens goes.
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.06 18:19:00 - [22] I like the way, people are blaming me. This does happen, yes. But its the way he done it, if you knew the whole story, you would come around to our reasoning behide why WE think he exploited. I also hope a member (NOT GM`S OR POLARIS) of CCP is reading this, cause the GM`S are not replying to me, maybe cause I hit a sore nerve. Fact of the matter is SHARES are not explained anywhere in the manual, SO THEY SHOULD NOT BE IN GAME, plus no member should be able to give out shares, except CEO. Also a CCP employee told us to petition, GM`s as they werent happy about this, and the way is has been done. Which I did, and the GM just argued with me, and avoiding the parts of the petition which were important. He then stopped replying, :(.
Shock	Posted - 2003.06.06 19:00:00 - [23] Stop blabbering about people not understanding 'because if they knew the whole story'... Just spill the beans and say what happened so other might at least lmight earn something from it. --- soonÖ
Livak	Posted - 2003.06.06 20:21:00 - [24] FOL1, First, anyone who is a director should be able to give out shares. We use them as a reward system in our corporation. However, we make sure the CEO has 51% at all times. Making it to where only the CEO could grant them would be a royal pain. Second, shares work just the same way as in RL. They give you voting and part ownership in a company. There are lots of things not explained in the manual, get use to it. This is a MMORPG, a type of game where things change rapidly and the manual is out of date before the game ships. Third, quit whining about how we don't understand. Either put up or shut up. Tell people how it was done, or quit telling people they don't understand.
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.06 20:58:00 - [25] please enlighten us all on how shares work, I know nothing about shares, in RL or this game, and as the manual says nothing about them, your comment is invalid. Plus we were convinced they were bust, by him, obviously, so he could take them all, for the purpose he intended. If, GM`s dont reply, the truth, will be all over the boards. As we were told to contact them by, the CCP quality control manager, who 1 of our members spoke to on the phone.
Doom	Posted - 2003.06.06 22:01:00 - [26] There is plenty of information around about shares. Here is a low down though: Every share is 1 vote. Majority rules. ANYONE who owns a share may vote with it. Only someone within the company can start a vote. An example: I start TEST CORP. As long as I own more than 1/2 of the shares, I can NEVER be out voted on anything. If I need to make some money and sell some shares so I have less than 1/2 the shares, I can be out voted. If I own no shares, I keep my job until someone in the company thinks its time for a vote about my ability to lead, and people controling more than half of the shares decide that I should be let go. You can not escape your Doom...
Vachir	Posted - 2003.06.06 22:57:00 - [27] It seems there's a lot more to it than that. Where is a good place to find that "plenty of information"?
FOL1	Posted - 2003.06.07 12:59:00 - [28] Hmmmmm, again, your point is invalid. Your banging on about real life shares, how do you know the ingame shares work like that, exaclty you dont. As I said I know nothing of shares, im an electronic engineer, so, im hardly going to fix a circuit board with shares. If there not in the manual, they should not be ingame, FULLSTOP. I even have a Petition, stating they aint working as they should yet anyway. Which backsup my argument.
Lipid	Posted - 2004.05.10 05:54:00 - [29] purple-nurple
Elithiomel	Posted - 2004.05.10 06:20:00 - [30] Quote: If there not in the manual, they should not be ingame, FULLSTOP What a narrow minded view. Learn to explre your world. don't just sit there and wait to be told what you can and can't do. How much of the current eve content was in the manual. --------------------------------------------- Engineers motto; If it doesn't fit, force it. If it breaks it needed replacing anyway.

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