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Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:34:00 - [1] Isk, when you don't have it is the most important thing, when you do have it it doesn't matter. Do you think there is too much isk in the game? too many rich people? I'm asking this because it suddenly just occured to me, whilst I was staring at my 6million wallet, I have a lot of money. Lots and lots and lots infact. It just isn't in my wallet. I don't know what i'm trying to say really.. I just think too many people have too much money and it's affecting things. blah.. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
ice wibble	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:36:00 - [2] I know ppl who have over 30 billion in assets and get upset when they have less than 500 mil in there account... i know your feeling too well... i'm a sub 100mil player too :(
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:37:00 - [3] One day I'll pass the 100mil line WITH THE JOVE AS MY WITNESS I'LL PASS THAT DAMN LINE!
ice wibble	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:38:00 - [4] you and me both dude!
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:43:00 - [5] getting over 100 mill isn't that hard, not beeing tempted to spend it when u get close to the 1 BILL, now thats hard impo I'm a multi billionaire in assets but if someone would like ransom me in low sec there is not a lot i could give them most of the time cuz my wallet is almost always empty (that and i would rather wake up in a cloning station then to pay ransom anyways hehe) Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
Doomed Predator Order Of The Sentinel FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:47:00 - [6] I broke the 1 bill mark today and i don't feel different. Maybe it takes a few days to sink in like after a week in a fleet battle you realise:''OMG I'm rich!!''. Hope i get invited to the billionare club
Victor Ivanov Minmatar Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:54:00 - [7] Ehh, while this topic will inevitably turn into a discussion between newbies and veterans, here's my opinion: I've been playing eve for a couple of years now. I have high skills, am about to get into into my first capital ship, and I have the isk to afford one. Yay for me, I suppose. It is inevitable that the longer you have been playing, the more ISK you'll be able to have, simply because building up a solid foundation takes time. The thing that really gets to me though are the people who hardly have to work for their ISK. T2 BPO's, I am looking at you. Personally, I am highly in favour of finally getting rid of these highly unbalancing gameplay elements. It won't balance the game anytime soon(Money will always turn into more money for those who know how to use it after all), but it will ensure that we don't get even more pampered rich people. Don't get me wrong, I have a great amount of respect for skill. I know numerous 50+ mill SP players who make their money by being smart, and I respect that. I don't care if you have a couple of bill to spend on frivolous things, so don't feel attacked by what I'm saying. :) It took me a long while to get where I am now, where I can look at deadspace modules, faction ships and capital ships without groaning at the cost. But rumours of certain alliances having 4 Titans, 7 motherships and Umph number of Carriers is just stupid. I don't even care if none of those rumours are true. The point remains, and we ALL know it to be true. Once you get your hands on a cash making machine, you need no effort anymore to make billions. And truth be told, I don't see the fun in that kind of playing anymore. Everything becomes less novel if you know you don't need to worry about isk anymore. For all our sake, I hope CCP lets Invention take over the t2 bpo market very very soon, and destroys all the t2 bpo's currently in game. I profusely apologise if this sounds like a typical "whine". I know those endless "nerf this, nerf that" topics instill me with shame quite frequently. I also hope that no one sees this as somebody who is reacting out of "envy". As previously stated, I found my niche and my wallet sports a bill or two as well. It is simply my opinion on the current way of things. Invention may not be a perfect thing quite yet, and may even unbalance the market even more if t2 bpos aren't removed from game(Without a lottery, the rarity of the remaining t2 bpo's will skyrocket, and those owners will make EVEN more isk), but if CCP handles this well, it could finally mean the return of a semblance of balance in EVE. :) And hell, as I said, those with ISK will always have more isk. That's part of it, and it's how it should be. But the process shouldn't be exponential. Let the Mega-corporations of the universe do some invention from time to time. They'll still make plenty of iskies, but not quite as quick as before. :)
Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:59:00 - [8] I've just spent 500 mill on 'something' I now have 80 mill left. TBH, there's a limit to how many things you can buy which will actually serve a purpose, so money accumulates. Drone Love - My skills
Miss CJB Gallente In White Suits	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:07:00 - [9] Originally by: ice wibble I know ppl who have over 30 billion in assets and get upset when they have less than 500 mil in there account... i know your feeling too well... i'm a sub 100mil player too :( lol sounds like me, theres a reason we have alot of isk imo :P. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Taiatia ([email protected])
ice wibble	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:11:00 - [10] maybe it is you my friend :P
slothe Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:16:00 - [11] Edited by: slothe on 03/04/2007 19:13:33 id say too much isk is when you have everything you need and isk left over with nothing to spend it on. to get to that level in eve im guessing youd need over 100bn isk at least. so say 200bn isk is too much.. with inflation 1bn isk isnt very miuch nowadays and many people have over 10bn isk now.
DeadRow Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:28:00 - [12] Originally by: Miss CJB Originally by: ice wibble I know ppl who have over 30 billion in assets and get upset when they have less than 500 mil in there account... i know your feeling too well... i'm a sub 100mil player too :( lol sounds like me, theres a reason we have alot of isk imo :P. tbh you should hurry up and by that naglfar. /DeadRow snip - signature removed, please email us with a link if you wish to know why. -Ivan K
Stakhanov Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:43:00 - [13] Right now , I have a nice assortment of T1 ships on my hangar , and enough money to lose them all a good dozen times. I'll have too much money once they're replaced with fully rigged T2/T3 and capital ships , I have several jump clones with high grade / +5 implants , and my sell order window is empty because I'd have no use for more ISK. I think that once your wallet count hits the 11th digit , you can really start to spend ISK on a whim (buying yet another faction ship just because it looks nifty) and not care so much about profitability. The more money you have , the lazier you can be - no longer using market orders , and offering millions in courier contract rewards to have your stuff delivered in no time.
Ralara Caldari Lilandri Foundation	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:00:00 - [14] Well I think there's a few levels of isk. When you start out, 20k isk is a lot of money. For the first month, 1 million is a lot. At 6 months, 100m is a lot - a battleship all by itself is a lot. A year (I'm 16 months) - 1 billion is a lot (but at this point some people have way more, some have way less) 2-3 years - 10-30 billion is a lot That's being overly simplistic. I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:01:00 - [15] Originally by: Benco97 whilst I was staring at my 6million wallet Gosh! You can buy a Thorax! Or did you mean 6 billion? I fly a starship across the Universe divide And when I reach the other side I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can Perhaps I may become a highwayman again - Willie Nelson
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:03:00 - [16] Mr.Tripps you didn't happen to have played SWG did you? I remember a character on Valcyn By your name
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:12:00 - [17] Originally by: MrTripps Originally by: Benco97 whilst I was staring at my 6million wallet Gosh! You can buy a Thorax! Or did you mean 6 billion? No, I meant 6 million. Like I said, I have little money in my wallet but when I think about it I have a lot due to assets and things like that. Without saving I still have a vast amount of money that I can access if I sell some things. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Nyana	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:14:00 - [18] Originally by: MrTripps Originally by: Benco97 whilst I was staring at my 6million wallet Gosh! You can buy a Thorax! Or did you mean 6 billion? Read 10-15 words more of his post before cutting the important part out and replying
Mi Lai Under Influence	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:28:00 - [19] From the 6th month onwards or so in EVE, my ISK-making has generally outpaced my ISK-need, so I never had 'to much ISK'. In a way it's good that way I guess. Keeps me keen to continue to get that next new ship trained up and paid for.
Ta chaina	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:25:00 - [20] Originally by: Victor Ivanov The thing that really gets to me though are the people who hardly have to work for their ISK. T2 BPO's, I am looking at you. Personally, I am highly in favour of finally getting rid of these highly unbalancing gameplay elements. It won't balance the game anytime soon(Money will always turn into more money for those who know how to use it after all), but it will ensure that we don't get even more pampered rich people. For all our sake, I hope CCP lets Invention take over the t2 bpo market very very soon, and destroys all the t2 bpo's currently in game. Invention may not be a perfect thing quite yet, and may even unbalance the market even more if t2 bpos aren't removed from game(Without a lottery, the rarity of the remaining t2 bpo's will skyrocket, and those owners will make EVEN more isk)) Oh god just stop whining about t2 bpo's Ive been running missions for this agent forever and just got an ammo bpo. Will the ammo sell well not so far it wont, Ive sold something like 4 rounds total but that does not bother me one bit atleast i got something for my time. Now if CCP wants my BPO back or turns it into a BPC they can give me my time back running missions for years to get it. As for how much ISK is in my wallet 20 to 30mil most of the time, every now and then 50mil if Im lucky.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:32:00 - [21] If you think you have too much, by all means send me some so you don't have to think that anymore ;-) Anyways. Most people in 0.0 can make 6mill in one round of ratting in a belt, or 10min of Hulk Strip mining. Hundreds of millions of isk is easy to get when you hit either level 4 mishes or 0.0 operations. Aind null See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:48:00 - [22] Edited by: Splagada on 03/04/2007 21:45:06 minus 2.2Billion on our CEO. give her 1 isk to see her cry cause she cant refund ------ Relaxed corp recruiting
Amapola	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:20:00 - [23] My main character made 2.5 billion cash and another billion assets from ratting and trading. I was comfortable with that for a long time, but then I joined a PVP corp. I donated all of my cash and assets to the corp; I now fly with less than 10m in my wallet but I'm rarely in anything other than a HAC, command ship or t2 fitted battleship. ISK doesn't matter to me; the only reason I amassed the small fortune of a couple of billions was because of what I could do with it - to fly high quality ships and have a good time pvping. Now I can do that without having to have loads of cash, and I'm quite happy to stay this way.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:25:00 - [24] When I can buy and outfit a titan for cash I will almost have enough... I am a tad bit short just now, but I am getting there... Noob in training...
Flapp Dog Tags	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:36:00 - [25] Ever since the time i hatched out of the noob egg i had between 50 and 200m. Good enough to buy a replacement BS/CovOps whatever, and in case stuff hits the fan i could always make it back ratting in an AF or something. Few months ago an invention niche hit me, wrecking for 2b in my wallet. I feel too rich already, since i could exploit that niche for weeks or months to come, adding up on my wallet. And yes, i will continue to make ISKies out of that source, but not because i am greedy... There is some spawn that's looking like it is impossible to solo. Skill training is finished soon, i am looking forward to this challenge. It is never about ISKs. Give me a Rifter and i'll stick it up to your backside ready to pull into reverse to blow you up. It is never about ISKs. It's about fun.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:45:00 - [26] Edited by: Sir Bart on 03/04/2007 22:42:07 I'm worth about 3-4 bill. That's 1 bill in isk, 1 bill on market, 1-2 bill in assets. When the stuff on the market sells, I'm buying a dread. ^^ Wish I had a little more for faction fittings. -Bart
Grytok	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:49:00 - [27] All this BLAH BLAH about too less money and too much cash in the wallet.... When you are a LvL 4 Mission-Runner not doing any PvP, then you can get very rich, just because you don't need to buy new ships all the time. In the other way, when you live in 0.0 and fight all the time, then you have to have the ability making money for all your stuff. Period! All that talking about too much money in EvE is utter BS. There is'nt too much. At least not for those, who have to buy new stuff all the time. Ratting in 0.0 is much more time-consuming till the last two or three patches then it was before, resulting in many ppl only flying T1-stuff in PvP, instead of that nice HAC or AF. If that is the plan, then all the Allies with shiny T2-BPOs have a huuuuuge advantage, just because they can afford the T2-Equipment. .
Tunajuice Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:52:00 - [28] Use your money to make more money, don't blow too much of it up in pvp ;P Just skim a little off the top to fund pvp and you are good to go.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Flapp It is never about ISKs. Give me a Rifter and i'll stick it up to your backside ready to pull into reverse to blow you up. It is never about ISKs. It's about fun. Odd DUck statement... fine for you, but some people have FUN as making ISK and working the Markets ;-) It's a game of MANY facets... you'll suffer through it.. I know you will. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:17:00 - [30] Imho Isk Is a means to an end NOT the end "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Azver Deroven Amarr Laurifer Militis FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:26:00 - [31] I'd love to get more, but getting it is the challenge. Seeing how I have 20mil commonly and Im flying t1 fitted drake without rigs, and guess what? Im happy. Im running lv 3's, and getting the cash kinda nicely. Need salvagin skills to start making my own rigs sooner or later. This way I'll have steady income. Once I'll hit enough cash I'll start to look into other aspects of getting cash. Its not like I would want to be richest person, as long I have enough cash to do what I want and it works. I could affoard to replace my losses, I could affoard to swap ship if I'd want to. As I said, theres nothing more I'd ask. When I finish training of support skills I can affoard to advance into BS without blowing up the wallet (We all know how much time THAT takes, so running lv3's is just fine till that). Where would I need more money for? I get cash at a bit faster rate than I consume, I allready have advanced learnings bought, and finishing them is at my primary concern now. So do your learnings while running missions, or mining, or ratting, and you're getting enough once you have learnings & support skills to fly a ship you want. And for short: While training use the best ship you can replace to run missions, up to bc @3's, get support skills after that and you cant go wrong. If you somehow manage to lose BC @ 3's, switch to caldari and have it ez Yes my t1 drake, without rigs and passive, takes on lv 3 blockade and prevails. What I say is what I say, its not what someone else says. Or thinks in that matter. Stop the nanos!
Lowanaera Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Al Thorr Imho Isk Is a means to an end NOT the end That's really the ultimate point. The people with billions and billions sitting around may as well have no money at all for all the good it's doing them, because money is there to be spent, not hoarded. If you can honestly say "I have more money than I know what to do with" then you aren't PvPing enough.

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