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Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.04.11 21:31:00 - [31] Edited by: Ozzie Asrail on 11/04/2007 21:31:13 When you guys are talking about trading. Are you meaning trading in NPC goods or trading in stuff like t2 gear, salvage, minerals or jsut anything at all? My alts been doing invention and rig production mainly and made a healthy profit over the past 2 weeks. But margins are getting sqeezed pretty tight for alot of items and it's time to diversify a bit. (Plus i jsut bought him a frieghter so want to make full use of it) -----
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.11 21:50:00 - [32] No one who makes any sort of money is an NPC trader Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
vammathar Gallente Vamms Trading Corp	Posted - 2007.04.11 22:20:00 - [33] The wallet flash...oh that wallet flash again. Its like a woman...I love it and I hate it at the same time **Refining your loot since 2004**
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.11 22:33:00 - [34] Originally by: vammathar The wallet flash...oh that wallet flash again. Its like a woman...I love it and I hate it at the same time Hmmm... I've never wanted to turn off a woman for flashing me though... Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.04.12 03:08:00 - [35] Originally by: JdJinator Concord protects mine. :) Gotta love high sec POS being protected by Concord even when at war, LOL. 200-300 mill a day for me, on average. sounds like a glitch How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Patient 4127 Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2007.04.12 05:24:00 - [36] Dunno about income RATES, but I am informed by a friend that one long-term owner of a Cap Recharge 2 BPO has 500b in the wallet and climbing still (climbing less lately of course). :)
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.04.12 05:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Patient 4127 Dunno about income RATES, but I am informed by a friend that one long-term owner of a Cap Recharge 2 BPO has 500b in the wallet and climbing still (climbing less lately of course). :) Well, since you said "long-term" and used the singular article "a", I'd peg that as Entity? MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
JdJinator	Posted - 2007.04.12 08:14:00 - [38] Originally by: DragonRiderTao Originally by: JdJinator Concord protects mine. :) Gotta love high sec POS being protected by Concord even when at war, LOL. 200-300 mill a day for me, on average. sounds like a glitch CCP says it isn't, don't mind it getting fixed tho, would love to attack a POS with numerous BS's in Empire without Concord pwning us before putting a dent in the shields. sig in construction
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2007.04.12 16:38:00 - [39] Originally by: JdJinator Originally by: DragonRiderTao Originally by: JdJinator Concord protects mine. :) Gotta love high sec POS being protected by Concord even when at war, LOL. 200-300 mill a day for me, on average. sounds like a glitch CCP says it isn't, don't mind it getting fixed tho, would love to attack a POS with numerous BS's in Empire without Concord pwning us before putting a dent in the shields. I thought they said that it is, but that it's low on the totem when it comes to fixes and improvements.
Cavtrooper Caldari Hades Ascent	Posted - 2007.04.13 02:18:00 - [40] I spend an average of 1 hour a day trading, and make about 150 mil isk a day. Although, I have just started doing this, and have only kept track of it for the last month. I hope to do better and see where I am in a month. It is a bit addictive, I might add, and nowadays I trade for an hour and log off. LOL! But then again, if I had more time, I'd probably trade for an hour and then do some pvp'in. Peace... Need a jump clone? Tired of jumping 30 jumps to hang out with friends? Try our new Jump Clone Service!
Lyl Libido The Taining corp Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.15 16:54:00 - [41] OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. I mean i have figured now the only way to make isk is to invent so i got about 500m isk ive scrapped for and will use that to buy skills and invent some stuff. But if i can invest that into trading until i have everything ready then i will do that....but then I get the feeling of gee...where to i freaking start!?! -LL -Lyl Libido The Taining Corp
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.15 21:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. I mean i have figured now the only way to make isk is to invent so i got about 500m isk ive scrapped for and will use that to buy skills and invent some stuff. But if i can invest that into trading until i have everything ready then i will do that....but then I get the feeling of gee...where to i freaking start!?! -LL Read Sun Win's (and other folk's guides for new traders in the sticky here). When people say the run missions and rat for isk (apart from the ones farming incredible complexes this is) I think meh, you should be trading :P. It takes a bit of research, patience and guile IMO, but the premise is very basic and TBH I'm surprised not more people do it. Its many many times better than the other money-making avenues I have open to me. Well apart from some, which my conscience wouldn't allow .
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.16 01:21:00 - [43] Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. I mean i have figured now the only way to make isk is to invent so i got about 500m isk ive scrapped for and will use that to buy skills and invent some stuff. But if i can invest that into trading until i have everything ready then i will do that....but then I get the feeling of gee...where to i freaking start!?! -LL Your ending thought answers your initial question. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2007.04.16 03:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. I mean i have figured now the only way to make isk is to invent so i got about 500m isk ive scrapped for and will use that to buy skills and invent some stuff. But if i can invest that into trading until i have everything ready then i will do that....but then I get the feeling of gee...where to i freaking start!?! -LL It takes quite a bit of research, guile and capital to get to that level of income. In reality it really isn't as easy as people make it out to be and the income level can be matched by mission running and or ratting given the right set of circumstances. THe only benefit we have over others is that all our efforts are spent never leaving station. So the only real threat is other traders. Who honestly can be just as if not more vicious than the -10 pirates out there.
Ash Omber Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.04.16 05:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Shadarle But I don't consider 150 mil to be 24 hours of work or 8 hours of work... I consider 150 mil to just be the daily average, not counting how long I spend. I don't break it down by ISK per hour spent. ISK/hour is actually an essential consideration to many. Time is the only true asset and while it is understood that the value of time varies from person to person, the ISK/hour ratio is the only true comparative measurement (also with the understanding that ISK earning efficiency is a function of ROI over time). Some are blissfully happy when they earn 150mil a day and spend 5 hours doing so, others would find 30mil/hour unworthy of their real life time.
Ash Omber Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.04.16 05:54:00 - [46] Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. Lazyness.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.04.16 06:53:00 - [47] Originally by: Ash Omber Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. Lazyness. TBH I could make more isk Mining Rare ores in 0.0 with my alt army than trading and not use up much capital at all. Trading takes time, research and isk to do it well IMO. But I am not the typical trader, I dont try to stock stations that others stock, I try to stock and create new hubs. This way I own 100% of the market and everything that sells there I get a piece of it. I don't overcharge by millions, 10-20 percent for most part, but I sell so many things and in such quantities its well worth it. Its a shame my time is coming to an end for playing non stop other wise I would def still be in this area of the market now that i have done my research. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Pang Grohl Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.16 20:24:00 - [48] Originally by: Ash Omber Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. Lazyness. The laziness comes in to play when you look at the difference between a mediocre trader and an excellent trader. The basic act of trading is simplicity itself. The nuances of making your orders more attractive are not so simple. Understanding these nuances is what makes the difference between the mediocre and the excellent. Si non adjuvas, noces (If you're not helping, you're hurting)
Confuzer Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.25 15:17:00 - [49] I make 10-30 mil a day doing it... less then one hour. The rest I rat in drone regions and mine with my second account. The biggest mistakes I make are caused by greed. Buying items and selling them for top prices reduces the sell rate so most items take 90 days to sell and all that time my wallet is dry. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.25 17:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Confuzer I make 10-30 mil a day doing it... less then one hour. The rest I rat in drone regions and mine with my second account. The biggest mistakes I make are caused by greed. Buying items and selling them for top prices reduces the sell rate so most items take 90 days to sell and all that time my wallet is dry. 90 days to sell??? Woah... 9 days is too long for me. I wouldn't be in a market if it took longer than that. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Confuzer Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.25 19:17:00 - [51] Yes it's long... some items I just ask too much for... but with 6 alts I can make many... many... market orders ^^ ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
JdJinator	Posted - 2007.04.26 08:19:00 - [52] My orders last for a week tops. I prop sell more with my orders then you do with your 6 alts, rofl. sig in construction
Confuzer Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.04.26 08:43:00 - [53] I am not fulltime trading though... just a bit on the side. Some do sell within a day... and the profit is nice then, but I don't really mind that it takes so long. Curious, are you trading TII items? I was experimenting with selling them but selling goes slow for a minimal marge. ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Empress Aphrodite Soar Angelic	Posted - 2007.04.26 09:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Confuzer Yes it's long... some items I just ask too much for... but with 6 alts I can make many... many... market orders ^^ Ask less and sell through quicker. Even if you're making less profit, you then have the isk to reinvest. Over the 90 day period you will have multiple sales at a lower margin, giving you far more than if you hold out at your higher price.
Motivated Prophet Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.04.27 05:06:00 - [55] Originally by: Proton Power Originally by: Ash Omber Originally by: Lyl Libido OK so I dont get it....if its so easy why dont everyone do it? there has to be something about trading that keeps the masses from doing it. Lazyness. TBH I could make more isk Mining Rare ores in 0.0 with my alt army than trading and not use up much capital at all. Trading takes time, research and isk to do it well IMO. But I am not the typical trader, I dont try to stock stations that others stock, I try to stock and create new hubs. This way I own 100% of the market and everything that sells there I get a piece of it. I don't overcharge by millions, 10-20 percent for most part, but I sell so many things and in such quantities its well worth it. Its a shame my time is coming to an end for playing non stop other wise I would def still be in this area of the market now that i have done my research. This man's ability to make a market out of a molehill makes me cry with shame as my MERE 200 or so items for sale. I think at one point he was literally selling every cruiser in the game, both t1 and t2. I know he had all the tier-2 BC's and all the command ships. It's a bad sign when someone asks how long it would take to do Tycoon V with a set of +5's. MP -- TINY. Stage 2 IPO, because good things come in pairs.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.27 06:51:00 - [56] Originally by: Empress Aphrodite Originally by: Confuzer Yes it's long... some items I just ask too much for... but with 6 alts I can make many... many... market orders ^^ Ask less and sell through quicker. Even if you're making less profit, you then have the isk to reinvest. Over the 90 day period you will have multiple sales at a lower margin, giving you far more than if you hold out at your higher price. I don't know... I ran out of uses for most of my money 2 months after I started trading. Other than just placing buy orders for larger and larger sizes (which can become dangerous). Until recently going into solo capital ship production I couldn't figure out how to spend more than 85% of my money. Even with IPO investments and capital ship production ramping up I can't figure out what to do with it. So I can definitely understand why someone wouldn't mind having some very long term sell orders... but the length he was mentioning is just amazingly long. What else do people spend their money on? There are only so many items you can buy and sell at a time. I suppose if you only traded in BS's and BC's and such you could spend a few billion more in escrow, but otherwise what do you spend billions on? Especially when the T2 market is crashing and an overall unstable investment. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
JdJinator	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:23:00 - [57] faction and officer gear, the best of the best equipment and then fly out and lose it in a PVP fight, few billion for an awesome 5 minutes rules! sig in construction
Confuzer Back Home In Time For Tea And Medals The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:02:00 - [58] FYI I focussed more on trading after this thread and started doing smaller objects. They sell within 3 days and I haven't met the overflow ammount yet Thanx for inspiring me :) ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Fitz Farseer Tropical Killer Bananas Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.07 14:51:00 - [59] I have about 7 Billion in the wallet and a 2.5 BIllion T2 BPO and bout 200 million isk of assets around empire.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.07 15:42:00 - [60] Originally by: Shadarle What else do people spend their money on? There are only so many items you can buy and sell at a time. I suppose if you only traded in BS's and BC's and such you could spend a few billion more in escrow, but otherwise what do you spend billions on? Especially when the T2 market is crashing and an overall unstable investment. I spend a lot of my profits on my corp and newer players. I'd rather make lots of players enjoy the game more than adding a few digits to my wallet. I'm not sure how much isk I make daily and I don't really care to know a specific number. My assets are continually increasing and my wallet stays around the same number, so I'm doing well enough. Sales: Capital Ships \| Covetors Delivered - Bulk/Package/BYOM

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