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damalos	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:06:00 - [1] For the last month and a half ive been trading, i started with 1.7b and i now have 9b isk, ive been making around about 150m a day, which i think is pretty good. So how about the real good traders out there what kind of isk do you guys make and how much have you got in how long? Dont have to answer just wanted to see how well you can do in trading.
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:09:00 - [2] Sounds good to me Damalos :P. But the more you have the more you can make, but the harder it becomes to achieve your potential.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:14:00 - [3] Most of my isk income goes to corpmates, replacing expensive ships I get blown up or gets sunk into the billions worth of assets I have sitting around gathering dust. When I really try, I can make 1b+ per day in any one of a dozen different ways, ranging from cosmos to exploration, hauling stuff from jita to outer regions to sell or even just general trading. Unlike some people who sit on huge piles of isk, I tend to balance my income with my outgoings automatically as when I have more isk, I spend more. Billions go through my wallet per week but I tend to keep only 1-2b in the actual wallet. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:46:00 - [4] Edited by: Sun Win on 03/04/2007 23:45:12 Edited by: Sun Win on 03/04/2007 23:44:42 Seems to me that the key is simply making ISK faster than you can spend it. Because there are always more expensive toys that you can buy, that depends a lot on what you want to do. At the moment, I am a pilot of semi-modest needs so I only need to make slightly better than semi-modest income to be ahead of the game. Recently I made some stupid mistakes that cost me a lot of ISK but with some clever trading I was able to quickly make up the loss. In effect I see myself as infinitely wealthy at this point. If ever I develop a taste for ganking haulers in high sec with faction fitted faction battleships that may change. All that being said, this is wealth New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:58:00 - [5] 150 mil/day isn't bad. When I first started I was making ~50 mil/day... and that has been increasing ever since for 3/4 of a year. And I don't mean the day to day isk/day, I mean the average over the entire time average is going up, so I would imagine my current day-to-day isk is very high right now, but I actually don't have that calculated. But anyone making 100+ mil/day is doing pretty well imo... heck, even 50 mil/day is pretty decent compared to the average person. I'd say if you are doing over 500mil/day for long periods at a time, not once a week you manage to get that much, then you're very good. So divide your isk made by the time you've been trading. Simply citing your best daily increase is fairly meaningless. If you havn't been tracking your major expenditures and such though it may be hard to know for sure. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kyra Phoenix	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:23:00 - [6] How many hours do you spend checking and modifying orders and, moving goods, if applicable. Are you referring to 150M a day as a full days work?
Kua Immortal RSP Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Kyra Phoenix How many hours do you spend checking and modifying orders and, moving goods, if applicable. Are you referring to 150M a day as a full days work? Well yes, if you're dedicated and mad enough (not to mention having extraordinary amounts of time to spare) I think its possible to make astonishingly large amounts of money.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:16:00 - [8] Originally by: Kyra Phoenix How many hours do you spend checking and modifying orders and, moving goods, if applicable. Are you referring to 150M a day as a full days work? I don't know what the second part really means. I take it to mean that if he divides the money he has made from trading by the number of days he has traded it comes out to be 150M. So it's an average number. He can then tell us how long he spends per day trading to make that much. For me I spend less than 2 hours/day trading usually, with the occasional day being longer if I have a lot of free time. But I don't consider 150 mil to be 24 hours of work or 8 hours of work... I consider 150 mil to just be the daily average, not counting how long I spend. I don't break it down by ISK per hour spent. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
damalos	Posted - 2007.04.04 07:28:00 - [9] Edited by: damalos on 04/04/2007 07:25:00 I spend about 2hrs a day trading and i calculate my total isk each day by adding my buy order value my sell order value (which i calculate) and my isk in wallet. Now although this isnt accurate its the best i can do to keep track of it. The 150m a day comes from the average of what i made each day since i started trading. Best ive made in a day is about 320m. Although my main made 1.7b in a day when he sold a 2 run navy raven bpc, which is how damalos got into trading.
Heckelgruber	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:10:00 - [10] I started trading a couple of weeks ago after starting to find L3 agent missions dull and getting frustrated at not being able to afford the finest tech 2 stuff for my BS. Total assets are about 500m, I guess I've been making about 40-50m a day the last few days - so not as much as some of the experienced people on the board but I'll getting there. I guess I've not been doing it long enough to know how long I can keep it going. Very impressed by the folks with literally billions going through their accounts every day. How long has it taken to build this up? I'm not really trading for the pure love of it, although it is kind of addictive. Like one of the other posters said, it's so that I can afford better toys - like do PvP in tech 2 ships and not care when they get popped.
Serpha	Posted - 2007.04.04 09:10:00 - [11] I don't really have the time to spend working the market on a daily basis, so I don't really make the kind of isk being talked about here. However I have found that there is a reasonable amount of isk to be made doing some low volume transport and sale of goods to some quieter areas. It maybe works out around 10m per day, which is not bad when I sometimes am only able to get one once a week just now! Hopefully in the near future I'll have more time to be doing business on the volumes (and profit) some of you guys are talking about!
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:35:00 - [12] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 04/04/2007 13:32:33 Originally by: Serpha I don't really have the time to spend working the market on a daily basis, so I don't really make the kind of isk being talked about here. However I have found that there is a reasonable amount of isk to be made doing some low volume transport and sale of goods to some quieter areas. It maybe works out around 10m per day, which is not bad when I sometimes am only able to get one once a week just now! Hopefully in the near future I'll have more time to be doing business on the volumes (and profit) some of you guys are talking about! Here is a tip - Smuggle Gas Cloud skillbooks from 0.0 NPC station (where they are now seeded at a reasonably cheap price) to high sec and make margins that would scare even Richard Brandson Himself! You can still only make 200-300mil profit per book for the next few days until people catch on! Risky, and requires scouts but worth every second of effort :) But yes, try to find things that people are not doing and do it yourself. The market is full of kinks all over the place and spending 1 hour a week looking at the market while travaling opens up lots ofoppertunities. -- Billion Isk Mission
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.04 14:44:00 - [13] Originally by: Lord WarATron Here is a tip - Smuggle Gas Cloud skillbooks from 0.0 NPC station (where they are now seeded at a reasonably cheap price) to high sec and make margins that would scare even Richard Brandson Himself! You can still only make 200-300mil profit per book for the next few days until people catch on! Risky, and requires scouts but worth every second of effort :) But yes, try to find things that people are not doing and do it yourself. The market is full of kinks all over the place and spending 1 hour a week looking at the market while travaling opens up lots ofoppertunities. I didn't do this specifically because I knew other people would be. Price of that skillbook is dropping like a stone and I do not ahve time to play the 0.01 isk game in jita. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Heckelgruber	Posted - 2007.04.04 15:21:00 - [14] So far I have only traded in Empire space, but I'm considering some 0.0 runs based on this principle, although not on this specific tip. I imagine that there are some loony price differences if you can safely navigate the travel dangers.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech Power Corrupts Industry's	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:38:00 - [15] Tips for 0.0 Trading - Make the station you want to stock 1 jump from low sec space via a carrier if at all possible. With this you have little to no risk losing anything if your careful. Bulk not Gouging. You will make more isk IMO by selling stuff in 0.0 in bulk. I for instance take most items under 750k and charge about 50% to 100% markup and stock 100's of these items. 750k to 3mil isk or so I try to charge 25%. 3mil to 12mil 15%-20%. 12mil to 200mil I charge aprox 10%. By doing it this way A) you can probably contract an alliance to do this for or an Outpost. Most 0.0 alliances and corps love to have there stations stocked at semi reasonable prices. B) Instead of selling that 1 ship for 8mil isk profit in a week, you can sell 20-30 of that ship for 2-3 mil isk profit each. C) Creates a much faster turn around. If you supply the ships and gear, people have zero need to goto empire. If you supply just ships or gear, people still need empire and you lose customers. D) Somthing that is largley forgotten is Ammo. Does no good to supply ships, gear, weapons, and not bring them ammo. Some things you will make a lot of profit on, others not so much, but if you stock it all, over all you will make more profit IMO. ----------------------------------------------- http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439797Cli
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Proton Power Tips for 0.0 Trading - These are all good tips and Proton is as professional as they come in fields like this. My own tip is minerals. Some minerals can sell for a large profit in some areas of 0.0 compared to empire prices. Other minerals can sell for a lot less in 0.0 due to increased supply. From my time in ISS Calico in Tenerifis, I noticed that tritanium and pyerite prices were tiny due to hauler spawns and megacyte/zydrine was dirt cheap due to people mining it. However, nocxium sold for a LOT and mexallon and isogen sold for a fair bit. Hauling minerals in did make some isk but most came from hauling the cheap minerals out. The trick is mineral compression. I bought high ME bpos for some items that required minerals that were cheap there and for which the minerals required to build them are much larger than the finished product. I'd build tons of passive targetters and carrier-haul them to empire. When there was a strontium shortage in catch and providence during the ISS-IAC war, I hauled thousands of NPC-purchased obervator scanner probes down to the nearest refinery and refined them all down. Each probe gives about 8 strontium clathrates but takes up a tiny amount of space. Due to strontium taking up 3.0 m3 each, people wouldn't haul large amounts into 0.0 to profit off the shortage. After selling the other parts from refining the probes, the strontium break-even price was about 4.5k per unit. I made a lot of money on that one. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.04 23:51:00 - [17] I'd say your number compares favorably. With a personal priority of spending 90% of my time pvping and 10% grinding market, I have one toon parked in a station clearing 4-6bil a month.
Gallavantum	Posted - 2007.04.08 05:02:00 - [18] I think if you can make 50-100 million per hour of effort while trading, and be able to spend substantial time doing it, you are making better ISK than almost all non-traders. Especially if you can do this on a consistent basis. I like that trading takes much fewer SP than others careers generally, and tends to take more research. But once you find a good market via research you can milk it for all it's worth.
LoneCold Gallente Libertae Nolvm	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:29:00 - [19] o0. I thought I was getting the hang of trading but apparently not. I am lucky to make 1-2 million per day. What am i doing wrong :(. I only have a small budget of about 15 million. So far from trading this week, I have only made 2 million ISK. Open for any suggestions on what I am doing wrong please...
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.08 13:51:00 - [20] Originally by: LoneCold o0. I thought I was getting the hang of trading but apparently not. I am lucky to make 1-2 million per day. What am i doing wrong :(. I only have a small budget of about 15 million. So far from trading this week, I have only made 2 million ISK. Open for any suggestions on what I am doing wrong please... Doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. With 15mil, making a few million a day isn't bad. It takes money to make money. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:32:00 - [21] Originally by: LoneCold o0. I thought I was getting the hang of trading but apparently not. I am lucky to make 1-2 million per day. What am i doing wrong :(. I only have a small budget of about 15 million. So far from trading this week, I have only made 2 million ISK. Open for any suggestions on what I am doing wrong please... The people talking about making 100+ mill/day have billions of ISK at their disposal, so don't feel bad... percentage wise you're doing better than they are Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Redbad Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:56:00 - [22] Edited by: Redbad on 08/04/2007 16:52:16 Fun read guys, I'm not that rich in this game, but I sure like to go up against you on the market ... if only I'd find a way to get ahead of you this time ... join us today!
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:11:00 - [23] Originally by: LoneCold o0. I thought I was getting the hang of trading but apparently not. I am lucky to make 1-2 million per day. What am i doing wrong :(. I only have a small budget of about 15 million. So far from trading this week, I have only made 2 million ISK. Open for any suggestions on what I am doing wrong please... Actually for a budget of 15 mil in escrow making 1 to 2 mil for the week isn't that bad. Eventually start diversifying and securing your hold on whatever items you're trading. As your escrow increases so to will your return on it.
Vrizuh Eve Defence Force Pure.	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:23:00 - [24] So, does anyone in this thread have enough personal ISK to buy the mats for a mothership, titan or outpost?
MRKWA Minmatar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:31:00 - [25] i see that u guys are talking about isk i never had in my wallet. :p -my max isk i had in my wallet was 400 mils. -im playing eve for 7 months, and i was wondering...atm i have only 40 mils....can u gimme some advice how to earn enough isk to pvp ? tnx a lot. MRKWA [URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:43:00 - [26] Originally by: MRKWA i see that u guys are talking about isk i never had in my wallet. :p -my max isk i had in my wallet was 400 mils. -im playing eve for 7 months, and i was wondering...atm i have only 40 mils....can u gimme some advice how to earn enough isk to pvp ? tnx a lot. MRKWA Well you have enough right now. The only thing is, you'll have to stick to tech-1 fitted frigates and cruisers. Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:17:00 - [27] Originally by: Vrizuh So, does anyone in this thread have enough personal ISK to buy the mats for a mothership, titan or outpost? Most people in this forum have enough assets to buy all 3, and the corresponding BPOs, at the same time.
Brunn Leinbach	Posted - 2007.04.11 01:31:00 - [28] Originally by: LoneCold o0. I thought I was getting the hang of trading but apparently not. I am lucky to make 1-2 million per day. What am i doing wrong :(. I only have a small budget of about 15 million. So far from trading this week, I have only made 2 million ISK. Open for any suggestions on what I am doing wrong please... Yeah Im in a similar position I have a small amount of capital atm and I have most of it locked in trading I really havent worked out averages but my income comes in bursts. I have grown my total worth just from trading and I hope I will eventually hit critical mass where I will be able to have a large turnover.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Vrizuh So, does anyone in this thread have enough personal ISK to buy the mats for a mothership, titan or outpost? I was thinking of trying to find someone willing to sell me a Mothership to guard my personal POS with Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
JdJinator	Posted - 2007.04.11 10:51:00 - [30] Concord protects mine. :) Gotta love high sec POS being protected by Concord even when at war, LOL. 200-300 mill a day for me, on average. sig in construction

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