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Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 05:03:00 - [1] Meant for small gang PvP. Don't care about rats (it will kill them anyway). Raven 6x Seige II 2x Empty 1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload 1x 5a Prototype Shield Support (boost amp - decent named) 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster 1x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (best painter) 1x Photon Scattering Field I 1x Heat Dissipation Field I 2x BCU II 2x Type-D PDU 1x Basic PDU 1x Kinetic shield hardning rig 1x Thermal shield hardning rig 1x EM shield hardening rig 5x Medium target painter drones 5x Hobgoblin II 40.43 PG remaining (Engineer 4, AWU 2) 4.8 CPU remaining (Electronics 5, WU 5) Resists = EM 65/EX 60/KIN 58/THEM 72 CPU is the real issue in this setup - its why I am using a basic PDU instead of a 4th Type-D. Since dominixs are so common, my theory is this could solo 1 if you replaced the boost amp with a warp disruptor because with all the target painting it should be able to 1 or 2 shot his drones depending on how skilled the domi pilot. If several dominixs were encountered by the gang, I would paint and engage their drones (good idea right?) The only problem is the setup is pretty expensive. I didn't add it up but I would guess somewhere around 200M. Maybe less I dunno.
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.04.04 05:11:00 - [2] "1x Kinetic shield hardning rig 1x Thermal shield hardning rig 1x EM shield hardening rig" IMO these are the stupidest rigs ever. They basically are each a 7.5% dmg reduction each. Might as well use cap regen rigs. 15% increased tank per. Or Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard, 10% boost there. I'd never dream of using resist rigs. As to the rest... I find it funny you think this is an expensive setup. It's a fraction of the cost of most Raven setups. Using so many T1 mods makes this a cheap setup imo. For the love of god at least use a T2 SB... that's like a 30% boost to tanking right there. But really, why use a Raven for PvP at all? A rokh would be better... any non missile ship really. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 05:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 05:27:13 Well first of all there is no room for more T2 gear the CPU is maxxed as you may have noted I have electronics 5 and WU 5. Secondly, alot of the T1 gear on this ship is superior to the T2 versions. The target painter takes less CPU but provides the same bonus. The shield booster boosts the same per second as a T2 variant, but takes less grid and CPU. Using T2 hardners does not provide enough advantage to justify the cost (3% more to total EM and THEM resists wow). I dunno you may have a point on the rigs, but the capacitor rigs do cost over twice as much as the hardner rigs. W/O hardner rigs resists are EM 50/EX 60/KIN 40 (thats very low imo)/THEM 60. Using invuls would result in too weak of thermal and EM resists. But I dunno - could cap rigs make it so I wouldn't have to use cap boosters under NOS (or make cap boosting ALOT more effective under NOS)? Anyway I don't see that more T2 gear could fit or that it would make the ship better if it could fit.
mematar Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.04 05:41:00 - [4] Edited by: mematar on 04/04/2007 05:43:25 EDIT: Dl'd Quickfit and changed the fit a bit... This is what I would fit: 6x Siege II 1x X-Large C5-L 1x Heavy Elec Injector 2x Invul II 1x Photon II 1x Boost Amp I 2x BCS II 1x Co-Pro II 1x PDS II 1x DCU II 3x Core Defence Capacitor Sa***uard Fits and works. Can change Boost Amp to Painter or Scram or what you feel like, there is plenty of CPU to play around with.
Jan Riksma Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.04.04 06:35:00 - [5] This what i would fit: high 6x cruise, 2x heavy dim NOS Med, XL C5-L booster, 3 Hardners, 1 extender, med electrochemical cap booster with 800 charge low 2x bcu and 3x pdu Drones 5x hammerheads or 5 med ecm drones Rigs Cap rig Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:22:00 - [6] IMO just bite the bullet and fit a co-processor II. I'd go with: 6x Siege II, 2x Heavy Nos XL booster II, whatever amp, heavy electro injector, 3x hardeners (invuln or two, and a photon) 2-3x BCS, CPU and a damage control. Rigs, you'll have to use the ancillary current routers to get that lot on. Actually, you might find you're still a bit tight on fittings, even with those and a CPU. I'm not quite sure why someone was objecting to the resistance rigs. 30% resists is useful, and yes, whilst you have stacking penalties, that's not really an issue unless you're already double hardening that colour.
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Jackal79 Meant for small gang PvP. Don't care about rats (it will kill them anyway). Raven 6x Seige II 2x Empty 1x X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload 1x 5a Prototype Shield Support (boost amp - decent named) 1x Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster 1x Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron (best painter) 1x Photon Scattering Field I 1x Heat Dissipation Field I 2x BCU II 2x Type-D PDU 1x Basic PDU 1x Kinetic shield hardning rig 1x Thermal shield hardning rig 1x EM shield hardening rig 5x Medium target painter drones 5x Hobgoblin II 40.43 PG remaining (Engineer 4, AWU 2) 4.8 CPU remaining (Electronics 5, WU 5) Resists = EM 65/EX 60/KIN 58/THEM 72 CPU is the real issue in this setup - its why I am using a basic PDU instead of a 4th Type-D. Since dominixs are so common, my theory is this could solo 1 if you replaced the boost amp with a warp disruptor because with all the target painting it should be able to 1 or 2 shot his drones depending on how skilled the domi pilot. If several dominixs were encountered by the gang, I would paint and engage their drones (good idea right?) The only problem is the setup is pretty expensive. I didn't add it up but I would guess somewhere around 200M. Maybe less I dunno. To start with fix the rigs. For my pvp Raven I always use a cap booster so I use shileld boost cap redeuction rigs x3. 30% reduction in cap use on the SB really helps on the charges. I would also replace the amp and the thermal hardner for 2 more painters and go with rage torps. And a DCU instead of a PDU. But thas me Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow
Exus Die Trying	Posted - 2007.04.04 08:31:00 - [8] I just read 1x basic PDU ? did I ? òò
kill0rbunny Alpha-Hirogen The Pentagram	Posted - 2007.04.04 09:15:00 - [9] The best weapon against anything smaller than bs-sized vessels is heavy Nos. I would not want to go without at least one of those. Pew Pew!
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:12:00 - [10] Originally by: James Lyrus IMO just bite the bullet and fit a co-processor II. I'd go with: 6x Siege II, 2x Heavy Nos XL booster II, whatever amp, heavy electro injector, 3x hardeners (invuln or two, and a photon) 2-3x BCS, CPU and a damage control. Rigs, you'll have to use the ancillary current routers to get that lot on. Actually, you might find you're still a bit tight on fittings, even with those and a CPU. I'm not quite sure why someone was objecting to the resistance rigs. 30% resists is useful, and yes, whilst you have stacking penalties, that's not really an issue unless you're already double hardening that colour. Not enough grid with maxxed power skills. Not even close. With maxed out grid skills (AWU 5, Eng 5) you would need 2x RCUIIs 1x CPUII and 1x PDUII giving you room for 1 BCU. My skills I would need 3x RCU 1x CPU. Maybe it would be a fair trade off for the heavy NOS but DPS would take a fair hit, and cap recharge would be down. Originally by: Exus I just read 1x basic PDU ? did I ? Yeah its because of CPU constraints try to fit any PDU other and you won't be able to.
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:19:00 - [11] 0/10 Empty Highslots, a BASIC PDU??!?! Siege is poor for PvP, Cruise is better. ________________________________ KIA Recruitment
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:29:00 - [12] Originally by: jbob2000 0/10 Empty Highslots, a BASIC PDU??!?! Siege is poor for PvP, Cruise is better. See target painter module and drones. Cruise is not enough DPS, rage torps ftw, regular torps for cruisers and smaller, javelin for fast ships or long range.
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:49:00 - [13] Edited by: valerydarcy on 04/04/2007 13:46:36 honest opinion? absolute sh1t. 2 empty high slots = 2 wasted slots. nos is pretty essential to a pvp raven (2 heavy), so get on teh case. 3 sheield rigs? completely wrong. its just not worth the penalties. Energy rigs are the only rigs worth putting on a raven seeing as they dont carry a set penalty or a stacking penalty, or perhaps nav rigs because the armor penalty doesnt affect you too much- but then nav rigs arent of much use. c5l booster is crap, it barely boosts at all, use a t2. siege for pvp? fine if you know youre up against big targets but thats not always the case. cruise are faster, more versatile against different ship classes and are essentially ecm proof given that you can carry fof's in your cargo. 200 mil is not an expensive setup, if you seriously think it is, then try flying a bc. all in all, id try using a tried and tested pvp setup off the forum and then tweak it to your own liking. its like cooking; theres a reason people follow set recipes. if you throw a load of random sh1t in a pot thats exactly what you get- and thats essentially what your raven is. sorry if thats harsh.
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:57:00 - [14] 6x siege II 1x XL SB II 1x em II 1x therm II 1x invul II 1x hvy electrochem 1x SBA II 1x co-pro II 1x rcu II 3x bcu II 5x jammer drones 5x warrior II DONT use javelin.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.04.04 13:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Jackal79 Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 13:23:20 Originally by: James Lyrus IMO just bite the bullet and fit a co-processor II. I'd go with: 6x Siege II, 2x Heavy Nos XL booster II, whatever amp, heavy electro injector, 3x hardeners (invuln or two, and a photon) 2-3x BCS, CPU and a damage control. Rigs, you'll have to use the ancillary current routers to get that lot on. Actually, you might find you're still a bit tight on fittings, even with those and a CPU. I'm not quite sure why someone was objecting to the resistance rigs. 30% resists is useful, and yes, whilst you have stacking penalties, that's not really an issue unless you're already double hardening that colour. Not enough grid with maxxed power skills. Not even close. With maxed out grid skills (AWU 5, Eng 5) you would need 2x RCUIIs 1x CPUII and 1x PDUII giving you room for 1 BCU. My skills I would need 3x RCU 1x CPU. Maybe it would be a fair trade off for the heavy NOS but DPS would take a fair hit, and cap recharge would be down. 3x ancillary power controls would do the trick then, probably, leaving you lowslots which you may be able to squeeze your BCUs into. And give you a horrific dps still, and heavy nos. Yes, it does hurt cap recharge, but you have injectors and nos, which will cover the cap, at least for long enough to decide the fight in a PvP engagement, one way or the other. Although then you're going to be in danger of running out of CPU again, and might end up with 3x BCS and 2x CPU II :). I've found heavy nos to be invaluable in PvP, because it directly kills their tank, whilst supplementing yours. PvE it's pretty handy, because ... well again, supplements your tank. Actually, on an only vaguely related note, why don't people mix torps and cruise? I mean, it's not like you have tracking/optimal to worry about... hmm separate thread I think.
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 16:59:00 - [16] Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 16:55:34 OK I'm now agreeing that not having the NOS is bad. I already have the rigs in place so I'll see how this does and get another raven and set it up with heavy NOS and cap rigs when I get the isk. Originally by: valerydarcy Edited by: valerydarcy on 04/04/2007 13:46:36 honest opinion? absolute sh1t. c5l booster is crap, it barely boosts at all, use a t2. siege for pvp? fine if you know youre up against big targets but thats not always the case. cruise are faster, more versatile against different ship classes and are essentially ecm proof given that you can carry fof's in your cargo. Shows how much you know - the C5-L booster boosts the same amount per second as the T2 varient 480 per 4 seconds instead of 600 per 5 seconds. Do the math. It the same and it takes less grid and CPU. Better booster than the T2 booster. Seige + target painters = dead small ships Seige + javelin + target painters = dead fast, small ships With cruise I don't have the DPS to have a hope against a battleship.
Blue Daniels	Posted - 2007.04.04 17:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Jackal79 Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 16:55:34 OK I'm now agreeing that not having the NOS is bad. I already have the rigs in place so I'll see how this does and get another raven and set it up with heavy NOS and cap rigs when I get the isk. Originally by: valerydarcy Edited by: valerydarcy on 04/04/2007 13:46:36 honest opinion? absolute sh1t. c5l booster is crap, it barely boosts at all, use a t2. siege for pvp? fine if you know youre up against big targets but thats not always the case. cruise are faster, more versatile against different ship classes and are essentially ecm proof given that you can carry fof's in your cargo. Shows how much you know - the C5-L booster boosts the same amount per second as the T2 varient 480 per 4 seconds instead of 600 per 5 seconds. Do the math. It the same and it takes less grid and CPU. Better booster than the T2 booster. Seige + target painters = dead small ships Seige + javelin + target painters = dead fast, small ships With cruise I don't have the DPS to have a hope against a battleship. While the C5L does boost the same per second as a TII, the TII uses a little less cap to do so. As for torps over cruise, not true, ive killed PVP fitted torp ravens with a cruise fit raven, and Domi's, Apoc's and Typhoons all with TI cruise. (ALl solo kills, not been up against a Pest yet)
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:19:00 - [18] Originally by: Jackal79 Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 16:55:34 OK I'm now agreeing that not having the NOS is bad. I already have the rigs in place so I'll see how this does and get another raven and set it up with heavy NOS and cap rigs when I get the isk. Originally by: valerydarcy Edited by: valerydarcy on 04/04/2007 13:46:36 honest opinion? absolute sh1t. c5l booster is crap, it barely boosts at all, use a t2. siege for pvp? fine if you know youre up against big targets but thats not always the case. cruise are faster, more versatile against different ship classes and are essentially ecm proof given that you can carry fof's in your cargo. Shows how much you know - the C5-L booster boosts the same amount per second as the T2 varient 480 per 4 seconds instead of 600 per 5 seconds. Do the math. It the same and it takes less grid and CPU. Better booster than the T2 booster. Seige + target painters = dead small ships Seige + javelin + target painters = dead fast, small ships With cruise I don't have the DPS to have a hope against a battleship. Youre a nub. Remind me not to engage in conversation with you again. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected])
valerydarcy Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:19:00 - [19] Originally by: Jackal79 Edited by: Jackal79 on 04/04/2007 16:55:34 OK I'm now agreeing that not having the NOS is bad. I already have the rigs in place so I'll see how this does and get another raven and set it up with heavy NOS and cap rigs when I get the isk. Originally by: valerydarcy Edited by: valerydarcy on 04/04/2007 13:46:36 honest opinion? absolute sh1t. c5l booster is crap, it barely boosts at all, use a t2. siege for pvp? fine if you know youre up against big targets but thats not always the case. cruise are faster, more versatile against different ship classes and are essentially ecm proof given that you can carry fof's in your cargo. Shows how much you know - the C5-L booster boosts the same amount per second as the T2 varient 480 per 4 seconds instead of 600 per 5 seconds. Do the math. It the same and it takes less grid and CPU. Better booster than the T2 booster. Seige + target painters = dead small ships Seige + javelin + target painters = dead fast, small ships With cruise I don't have the DPS to have a hope against a battleship. Youre a nub. Remind me not to engage in conversation with you again. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected])
Jackal79	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:42:00 - [20] Originally by: valerydarcy Youre a nub. Remind me not to engage in conversation with you again. eat me
God forbid Amarr Turbulent	Posted - 2007.04.04 19:38:00 - [21] Pvp + Tackler I was thinking about something like this.. 6 Cruise Missile Launcher II 2 Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I X-Large Shield Booster II Shield Boost Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II Reactor Control Unit II Co-Processor II 2 Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Rigs : Anti-EM Screen\ Anti-Kinetic\ Anti-Thermal 9375 shield, 12.5/s, E/T/K/Ex=73/78/71/75 Quote: "Dont Be too Cool for your Mam"

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