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Rocker Will Rockstar federation 37	Posted - 2016.11.29 17:15:56 - [1] - Quote been operating in CVA space for a while now, was hoping maybe to move on somewhere find new opportunities, make some sales, problem is i cant seem to find anything on alliances operating NRDS policy, is CVA really the only 1? I'm Batman
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 253	Posted - 2016.11.29 17:18:01 - [2] - Quote confirming that it's the only one i know. in null sec. you may find some in highsec though
Alphea Abbra Project Promethion 869	Posted - 2016.11.29 17:32:43 - [3] - Quote Technically, it's the whole Provibloc, so it's not just CVA. However, they are the only current sov. holding alliances that operates on NRDS - there were the Freeport people who AFAIK did, and a few others, but they've folded over time. You may find some local groups in both low- and NPC null-sec who are NRDS, but I am not knowedlegable enough to help you with those areas.
Rocker Will Rockstar federation 37	Posted - 2016.11.29 18:55:07 - [4] - Quote bummer, ok thanks guys. I'm Batman
Memphis Baas 2353	Posted - 2016.11.29 19:01:07 - [5] - Quote NRDS is a pain to maintain. Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy. Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend. For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.
Rocker Will Rockstar federation 37	Posted - 2016.11.29 19:18:10 - [6] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: NRDS is a pain to maintain. For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work. probably gonna get worse with clone states, but the local in the area tend to stick together, and keep each other informed so not so bad, soon as 1 player gets attacked you all basically know who to shoot or watch. I'm Batman
Kojee Sex and Coke Party Negative Ten. 43	Posted - 2016.11.29 22:48:55 - [7] - Quote We operate NRDS in Rancer.
Matthias Ancaladron Hedion University Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2016.11.30 02:23:51 - [8] - Quote Whats nrds?
Senshi Feixing ENL Holdings 0	Posted - 2016.11.30 03:25:33 - [9] - Quote NRDS is "Not Red Don't Shoot", referring to the standings in the game. As for CVA being the only one, yes. NRDS is an absolute NIGHTMARE to establish. It is also a huge liability, as most regions simply are not organized enough to protect against roams and hostile players. NBSI acts are more of a deterrent than an actual policy. 90% players entering NBSI space will survive, and possibly even score a few kills, but the fact that you are looked upon as a hostile and will eventually be killed prevents squatters and random newbro groups from trolling NBSI regions (The drones, for example).
Brigadine Ferathine The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult 121	Posted - 2016.11.30 03:34:51 - [10] - Quote Memphis Baas wrote: NRDS is a pain to maintain. Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy. Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend. For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work. CCP doesn't help this by giving the in game browser the axe and refusing to up the limit on corp and alliance standing marks.
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri New Order Logistics CODE. 604	Posted - 2016.11.30 06:14:31 - [11] - Quote CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default.
Dracvlad Taishi Combine Second-Dawn 2470	Posted - 2016.11.30 12:28:18 - [12] - Quote Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote: CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default. I thought you were NSSI... When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Memphis Baas 2365	Posted - 2016.11.30 13:04:05 - [13] - Quote Matthias Ancaladron wrote: Whats nrds? NRDS, NBSI, NPSI are acronyms that indicate how an alliance, fleet, or group handles outsiders. It refers to the fact that you can open People and Places and add other people, player corporations, and player alliances as contacts with red (enemy) tags or blue (friendly) tags. And then the red or blue tags will show up by every pilot's name in all the chat channels and in the Overview list. So any particular player that enters your space in 0.0 is tagged as: - red tag = enemy - neutral - blue tag = friend / ally So, NBSI - not blue, shoot it, means that the alliance will shoot anyone who is not blue, meaning they'll shoot enemies and also assume that any neutral who tries to enter is actually an enemy. Most alliances have this policy because it makes it really easy to keep their area secure: they defend the gates / entryways into their system (the term is they "camp the pipes") and kill everyone who's not in the alliance, basically. NRDS - not red, don't shoot, means they only shoot confirmed enemies. In order for an alliance to enforce this rule, they have to put a lot of effort into maintaining the People and Places list of who's red. For Providence, for example, if you commit piracy in the area (attack the locals), then you get placed on the red list. Also, the space is vulnerable because the gates are open, and they're relying on patrols and defense fleets forming up to respond to an invasion by enemy PVP'ers. NPSI - not PURPLE shoot it, refers to the fact that, if you're in a fleet, everyone else in the fleet has a purple tag. So the fleet has the aim to shoot anyone who ISN'T in the fleet, "kill everyone" mode, even if they're your corpmates or alliance friends. Typically such fleets are "for fun" and the attacks are forgiven the next day, because this is a game and spaceship explosions are fun. If you're in a NPSI fleet, don't **** off the fleet commander because he'll kick you out of the fleet. Often, NPSI fleets will go to Providence, because the NRDS defenses make it easier to enter the area and get a few kills before the defense team catches you and wipes you out.
Dragon Outlaw Astrocomical Warped Intentions 193	Posted - 2016.11.30 17:33:42 - [14] - Quote NRDS only means that neuts have the chance to shoot at you 1st. Then they die. Later we set them KOS. It's not that complicated and far from being a nightmare.
Eternity Mistseeker Renegades of Eve Aureus Alae 29	Posted - 2016.11.30 21:26:48 - [15] - Quote NRDS is not that difficult to work with.
Atomic Virulent Dark Matter Industrial 169	Posted - 2016.12.01 02:58:38 - [16] - Quote No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?' And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice. Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting. But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford. o7
Memphis Baas 2375	Posted - 2016.12.01 03:44:15 - [17] - Quote It's NRDS not NRBJ.
Gully Alex Foyle Black Fox Marauders 4476	Posted - 2016.12.01 14:18:02 - [18] - Quote Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Deck Cadelanne CAStabouts 369	Posted - 2016.12.01 15:07:22 - [19] - Quote FWIW, we fly NPSI - if you are not in fleet, you are a target. We don't do "blue" to anyone. I suppose you could call it a more extreme version of the much more common NBSI ethic? I did spend time in Providence, in a minor Provibloc alliance, when I first started in Eve. Just enough to recognize and appreciate how much work went into maintaining those KOS lists and all the intel channels etc. NBSI or NPSI are so much easier. *"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."* - Hunter S. Thompson
Eternity Mistseeker Renegades of Eve Aureus Alae 29	Posted - 2016.12.01 15:35:25 - [20] - Quote Atomic Virulent wrote: No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?' And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice. If you were red, then got shot at, how is that not following NRDS? http://kos.cva-eve.org That is the list. Try it. Put your name in, if it is not found, repeat with corp, and if necessary alliance. There are some exceptions, if you are in an NPC corp then the last player corp is used. If any appear as KOS then try talking in the CVA diplo channel. NRDS is not that difficult to work with. Atomic Virulent wrote: Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting. What? Atomic Virulent wrote: But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford. Help the OP out and name one.
Punctator Shadow-Kill Aureus Alae 19	Posted - 2017.02.19 00:51:10 - [21] - Quote CVA space is most fun in eve, just create corp and be loyal to nrds rules long and gain blue standings or join some blue corp. They never tell you what you must do, you will decide it by youself, and create your own history and it is great. Comparing NBSI and NRDS gameplay is like comparing Africa vs Europe in aspects of freedom and fun.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari 47079	Posted - 2017.02.19 01:00:40 - [22] - Quote Punctator wrote: Comparing NBSI and NRDS gameplay is like comparing Africa vs Europe in aspects of freedom and fun. Freedom and fun are a bit subjective there: NRDS: not free to shoot unless its red NBSI: free to shoot anything unless it's blue If shooting is what you find fun, NBSI is a tonne of freedom and fun, the fewer blues you have. At the same time, NRDS gives more freedom to shoot, by increasing the number of red standings.
Chopper Rollins Far Beyond Triggered 1779	Posted - 2017.02.19 01:12:04 - [23] - Quote Confirming CVA/Provibloc as the only sov null entity to run NRDS and to drop intel in local. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Oleria Risalo Blue Angel's The Republic. 6	Posted - 2017.02.19 01:59:06 - [24] - Quote To my knowledge, my home of Providence is the only NRDS out there.
Tisiphone Dira New Order Logistics CODE. 1061	Posted - 2017.02.19 04:03:02 - [25] - Quote NPSI is for carebear pacifistic weenies. Not me shoot it, is more in line with the philosophy of EvE. Unless of course you're man enough to mwd into your own bombs. Kill everything is how real men play. There once was a ganker named tisi A stunningly beautiful missy To gank a gross miner There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Lucius Avenus Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact 14	Posted - 2017.02.19 08:23:13 - [26] - Quote Quite a few people seem to have left Provi over the time I've been there (some taking a break irl), and then they come back - so I never bothered leaving, which I've considered a couple times. But Provi does seem like a unique place, a battlefield of some tradition for the most honourable exchanging of the Fiskies (good fights). And the bitter vets, especially when you f*#% up, so endearing, you could cry after a good smack. Don't go bro! o7
Akane Togenada Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 59	Posted - 2017.02.19 10:38:46 - [27] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. Actually the Signal Credo clearly states that we never attack any other players unless being attacked first, all other players are considered neutrals by default. The neutrality even extends to indirect actions such as providing intelligence for other corps/players. I'm not sure what acronym could be used to describe the Credo but there you have it.
Iceinio Man-Ar-Kell Korpus Corp Elemental Tide 1	Posted - 2017.02.23 13:30:33 - [28] - Quote Akane Togenada wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. Actually the Signal Credo clearly states that we never attack any other players unless being attacked first, all other players are considered neutrals by default. The neutrality even extends to indirect actions such as providing intelligence for other corps/players. I'm not sure what acronym could be used to describe the Credo but there you have it. I`m thinking Signal Cartel shoud get something like: "SOIA" (Shot only if atacked)... Any way... All Proviblock is NRDS. Sometimes very painfull. But it helps new players that want to start in Null.. All Alliance in Provi are NRDS if im right - so CVA, TSOE, MENTL, G-F-A, AFK APOC and others...
Brynjard Virgin Plc Evictus. 111	Posted - 2017.03.05 10:03:54 - [29] - Quote Yes that's right! Every alliance in the CVA coalition has NRDS policy. The region is all of Providence + some part of Catch. = Provi block. When it commes to what is best and not to maintain; it depends on how you look at it. If you think every neut is looking for a easy gank, you'll have challanges playing in NRDS space. If you think some neuts are looking for a easy gank, and som are just trying out null sec. You'll be fine. As long as you use your head. Being said, if you know what you are doing in Null, you'll be safer than High sec. Even if it's NRDS.
Mike Adoulin Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters 2120	Posted - 2017.03.05 10:35:24 - [30] - Quote BTW, the reason CVA bans carrier/dread ratting in Provi is that it draws....or used to, anyway......hot drops from PL/CFC/Russians etc. With the new jump fatigue rules, not so sure anymore, but they are unlikely to change it. Non-CVA caps in their space also make them nervous as hell, with good reason. Dunno if they care if you rat in a Force Aux, tho. Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
Tigris Liono Takahashi Syndicate Takahashi Alliance 7	Posted - 2017.03.05 15:20:26 - [31] - Quote There are no caps in Provi
Gecko Hareka Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity 22	Posted - 2017.03.05 16:27:11 - [32] - Quote ...as far as I know there are various small NRDS groups ("EVE in Hard Mode") in all parts of 0.0. Look for Corp adds in your region, they more often then not post their rules of engagement, too, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/evejobs/comments/4f5jqi/silent_reckoning_slntr_forming_for_nrds_in_the/ If you want to know more about the background of NRDS, you are in luck, as I dug out my old articles as part of my \shameless self promotion on CSM 12 campaign [ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6832259 ]. \shameless self promotion off Anyway - go vote! Here you can get some background info, if you are interested in setting up a NRDS corp yourself: The mysterious workings of ProviBloc 01 http://evenews24.com/2014/05/12/readers-pieces-the-mysterious-workings-of-provibloc/ The Mysterious Workings of Provibloc 02 GÇô Redux http://evenews24.com/2014/05/18/submission-the-mysterious-workings-of-provibloc-part-2/ Infos on rules of engagement: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rules_of_Engagement#Rules_of_Engagement Old stuff on NRDS (2010): Aralis on NRDS GÇô an EVE-Uni lecture http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/w/images/3/39/E-UNI_Guest_Lecture_Aralis_CVA_and_NRDS.mp3
Vincent Athena V.I.C.E. 4019	Posted - 2017.03.05 17:13:22 - [33] - Quote If NRDS is a pain to maintain, then it represents an opportunity for CCP to improve the game. For example, CCP could add this check box in the corporation/alliance management interface: "Unprovoked aggression against a member of the corporation/alliance automatically results in the corporation/alliance standings of the offending pilot being set to -10." "Unprovoked aggression" is defined as an act that would, in high sec, result in a CONCORD response. EVE is a game of making decisions, and living with the consequences of those decisions. Its not about painful busy-work of maintaining lists. Know a Frozen fan? Check this out Frozen fanfiction
Ashlar Maidstone Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 253	Posted - 2017.03.05 18:18:13 - [34] - Quote Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. We are a neutral corp but ProviBloc does recognize us as friends.
Circumstantial Evidence 384	Posted - 2017.03.05 20:07:08 - [35] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: If NRDS is a pain to maintain, then it represents an opportunity for CCP to improve the game. For example, CCP could add this check box in the corporation/alliance management interface: "Unprovoked aggression against a member of the corporation/alliance automatically results in the corporation/alliance standings of the offending pilot being set to -10." "Unprovoked aggression" is defined as an act that would, in high sec, result in a CONCORD response. EVE is a game of making decisions, and living with the consequences of those decisions. Its not about painful busy-work of maintaining lists. I think your first and last lines are fantastic, but the proposal probably could not happen: it would require enabling crimewatch in nullsec, to determine that "unprovoked aggression" occurred - (and then 'update contact to -10' as opposed to 'summon CONCORD') a performance hit in large battles. NRDS would want even more than this: keep the combat log entry of the first aggressive action with the contact details, in case leadership has questions later. Even without automatic features, every contact standings change should offer a text Note field, and keep a log of when/who made the change, even if the note field is left blank.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 2091	Posted - 2017.03.06 06:22:32 - [36] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: NPSI is for carebear pacifistic weenies. Not me shoot it, is more in line with the philosophy of EvE. Unless of course you're man enough to mwd into your own bombs. Kill everything is how real men play. You are not mistaken 'real men' and preprogrammed NPC entities (so-called 'rats')? AFAIK 'real men' usually have more freedom in choosing than simple rule. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Momiji Sakora Omni Galactic Central Omni Galactic Group 77	Posted - 2017.03.06 11:40:46 - [37] - Quote Ashlar Maidstone wrote: Gully Alex Foyle wrote: Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. We are a neutral corp but ProviBloc does recognize us as friends. I can't speak for Provibloc as a whole, but COGG recognize Signal Cartel as friends, we'll give you a cheery wave and help you guys out if we can :)
Kentonio THE DISC 2	Posted - 2017.03.07 00:04:02 - [38] - Quote Vincent Athena wrote: Its not about painful busy-work of maintaining lists. Are you sure we're talking about the same EVE?
Fardendur Pentag Blade Curatores Veritatis Alliance 0	Posted - 2017.03.10 08:37:25 - [39] - Quote Mike Adoulin wrote: BTW, the reason CVA bans carrier/dread ratting in Provi is that it draws....or used to, anyway......hot drops from PL/CFC/Russians etc. With the new jump fatigue rules, not so sure anymore, but they are unlikely to change it. Non-CVA caps in their space also make them nervous as hell, with good reason. Dunno if they care if you rat in a Force Aux, tho. Kek the litle u know :) We have no problems with with caps cos we don't have any (we ACTUALY rent them from Rus Rus )
Pavlakakos W.A.S.P Curatores Veritatis Alliance 37	Posted - 2017.03.10 10:00:53 - [40] - Quote Fardendur wrote: We have no problems with with caps cos we don't have any Fard, stop lying to the masses. Every providude has a cap at home.... Yes, we has CAPS
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 484	Posted - 2017.03.10 10:08:09 - [41] - Quote i can confirm that provi has the most hot grills of the entire game!
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 3180	Posted - 2017.03.10 16:10:26 - [42] - Quote Tisiphone Dira wrote: Unless of course you're man enough to mwd into your own bombs. Kill everything is how real men play. DO you get a KM if you do that solo?
nezroy Nice Clan 50	Posted - 2017.03.10 16:28:37 - [43] - Quote Didn't the null blocs on the Chinese server operate almost entirely NRDS for a long time? Is that still the thing over there?
Brynjard Virgin Plc Evictus. 111	Posted - 2017.03.11 07:38:12 - [44] - Quote Maybe chineese people are more friendly and open than we thought in the western world.

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