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Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
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Posted - 2016.11.29 17:15:56 -
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been operating in CVA space for a while now, was hoping maybe to move on somewhere find new opportunities, make some sales, problem is i cant seem to find anything on alliances operating NRDS policy, is CVA really the only 1?
I'm Batman
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
253
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Posted - 2016.11.29 17:18:01 -
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confirming that it's the only one i know.
in null sec.
you may find some in highsec though |
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
869
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Posted - 2016.11.29 17:32:43 -
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Technically, it's the whole Provibloc, so it's not just CVA. However, they are the only current sov. holding alliances that operates on NRDS - there were the Freeport people who AFAIK did, and a few others, but they've folded over time. You may find some local groups in both low- and NPC null-sec who are NRDS, but I am not knowedlegable enough to help you with those areas. |
Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
37
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Posted - 2016.11.29 18:55:07 -
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bummer, ok thanks guys.
I'm Batman
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Memphis Baas
2353
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Posted - 2016.11.29 19:01:07 -
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NRDS is a pain to maintain.
Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy.
Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend.
For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.
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Rocker Will
Rockstar federation
37
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Posted - 2016.11.29 19:18:10 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:NRDS is a pain to maintain.
For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.
probably gonna get worse with clone states, but the local in the area tend to stick together, and keep each other informed so not so bad, soon as 1 player gets attacked you all basically know who to shoot or watch.
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Kojee
Sex and Coke Party
Negative Ten.
43
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Posted - 2016.11.29 22:48:55 -
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We operate NRDS in Rancer.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2016.11.30 02:23:51 -
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Whats nrds? |
Senshi Feixing
ENL Holdings
0
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:25:33 -
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NRDS is "Not Red Don't Shoot", referring to the standings in the game.
As for CVA being the only one, yes. NRDS is an absolute NIGHTMARE to establish. It is also a huge liability, as most regions simply are not organized enough to protect against roams and hostile players.
NBSI acts are more of a deterrent than an actual policy. 90% players entering NBSI space will survive, and possibly even score a few kills, but the fact that you are looked upon as a hostile and will eventually be killed prevents squatters and random newbro groups from trolling NBSI regions (The drones, for example). |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard
The Volition Cult
121
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Posted - 2016.11.30 03:34:51 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:NRDS is a pain to maintain.
Sure, it's nice for you as a neutral to be able to operate in 0.0, but from the point of view of the alliance it's a nightmare. It's like high-sec; you never know who's an enemy, any neutral can be an enemy.
Nice thing about NBSI, where all neutrals are treated like enemies, is that it's very easy to enforce, and it's very clear who's enemy and who is friend.
For NRDS, they have to maintain lists of "bad" people and groups and use the standings system to try to tell friend from foe. There's a lot of headache and overhead work.
CCP doesn't help this by giving the in game browser the axe and refusing to up the limit on corp and alliance standing marks. |
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics
CODE.
604
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Posted - 2016.11.30 06:14:31 -
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CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default. |
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Second-Dawn
2470
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Posted - 2016.11.30 12:28:18 -
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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:CODE. is NRDS, even though all those who don't have a mining permit are red by default.
I thought you were NSSI...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Memphis Baas
2365
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Posted - 2016.11.30 13:04:05 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Whats nrds?
NRDS, NBSI, NPSI are acronyms that indicate how an alliance, fleet, or group handles outsiders.
It refers to the fact that you can open People and Places and add other people, player corporations, and player alliances as contacts with red (enemy) tags or blue (friendly) tags. And then the red or blue tags will show up by every pilot's name in all the chat channels and in the Overview list.
So any particular player that enters your space in 0.0 is tagged as:
- red tag = enemy
- neutral
- blue tag = friend / ally
So, NBSI - not blue, shoot it, means that the alliance will shoot anyone who is not blue, meaning they'll shoot enemies and also assume that any neutral who tries to enter is actually an enemy. Most alliances have this policy because it makes it really easy to keep their area secure: they defend the gates / entryways into their system (the term is they "camp the pipes") and kill everyone who's not in the alliance, basically.
NRDS - not red, don't shoot, means they only shoot confirmed enemies. In order for an alliance to enforce this rule, they have to put a lot of effort into maintaining the People and Places list of who's red. For Providence, for example, if you commit piracy in the area (attack the locals), then you get placed on the red list. Also, the space is vulnerable because the gates are open, and they're relying on patrols and defense fleets forming up to respond to an invasion by enemy PVP'ers.
NPSI - not PURPLE shoot it, refers to the fact that, if you're in a fleet, everyone else in the fleet has a purple tag. So the fleet has the aim to shoot anyone who ISN'T in the fleet, "kill everyone" mode, even if they're your corpmates or alliance friends. Typically such fleets are "for fun" and the attacks are forgiven the next day, because this is a game and spaceship explosions are fun. If you're in a NPSI fleet, don't **** off the fleet commander because he'll kick you out of the fleet.
Often, NPSI fleets will go to Providence, because the NRDS defenses make it easier to enter the area and get a few kills before the defense team catches you and wipes you out. |
Dragon Outlaw
Astrocomical
Warped Intentions
193
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Posted - 2016.11.30 17:33:42 -
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NRDS only means that neuts have the chance to shoot at you 1st. Then they die. Later we set them KOS.
It's not that complicated and far from being a nightmare. |
Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
Aureus Alae
29
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Posted - 2016.11.30 21:26:48 -
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NRDS is not that difficult to work with. |
Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
169
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Posted - 2016.12.01 02:58:38 -
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No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?'
And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice.
Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting. But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford.
o7 |
Memphis Baas
2375
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Posted - 2016.12.01 03:44:15 -
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It's NRDS not NRBJ. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
4476
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Posted - 2016.12.01 14:18:02 -
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Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe.
Make space glamorous!
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Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
369
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Posted - 2016.12.01 15:07:22 -
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FWIW, we fly NPSI - if you are not in fleet, you are a target.
We don't do "blue" to anyone.
I suppose you could call it a more extreme version of the much more common NBSI ethic?
I did spend time in Providence, in a minor Provibloc alliance, when I first started in Eve. Just enough to recognize and appreciate how much work went into maintaining those KOS lists and all the intel channels etc. NBSI or NPSI are *so* much easier.
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
Aureus Alae
29
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Posted - 2016.12.01 15:35:25 -
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Atomic Virulent wrote:No. They aren't even NRDS. You'll show up, get yellowboxed and ask, 'Hey, wtf guys?!?!?'
And they'll reply.. 'Oh, you are on our arbitrary KOS list which has virtually no regulation other than random Provi-diks placing or removing players on/from the list.' Usually just raging nerds with an alt you probably wrecked or made a fool of in a local somewhere at some point in time. Nerd justice.
If you were red, then got shot at, how is that not following NRDS?
http://kos.cva-eve.org
That is the list. Try it. Put your name in, if it is not found, repeat with corp, and if necessary alliance. There are some exceptions, if you are in an NPC corp then the last player corp is used. If any appear as KOS then try talking in the CVA diplo channel.
NRDS is not that difficult to work with.
Atomic Virulent wrote:Also, they don't allow you to do anything actually worth doing such as carrier ratting.
What?
Atomic Virulent wrote:But there are other NRDS entities that will actually live up to their claims and will allow you to fly whatever you can fly, fit and afford.
Help the OP out and name one.
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Punctator
Shadow-Kill
Aureus Alae
19
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Posted - 2017.02.19 00:51:10 -
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CVA space is most fun in eve, just create corp and be loyal to nrds rules long and gain blue standings or join some blue corp. They never tell you what you must do, you will decide it by youself, and create your own history and it is great.
Comparing NBSI and NRDS gameplay is like comparing Africa vs Europe in aspects of freedom and fun. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
47079
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:00:40 -
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Punctator wrote:Comparing NBSI and NRDS gameplay is like comparing Africa vs Europe in aspects of freedom and fun.
Freedom and fun are a bit subjective there:
NRDS: not free to shoot unless its red
NBSI: free to shoot anything unless it's blue
If shooting is what you find fun, NBSI is a tonne of freedom and fun, the fewer blues you have.
At the same time, NRDS gives more freedom to shoot, by increasing the number of red standings. |
Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1779
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:12:04 -
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Confirming CVA/Provibloc as the only sov null entity to run NRDS and to drop intel in local.
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Oleria Risalo
Blue Angel's
The Republic.
6
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:59:06 -
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To my knowledge, my home of Providence is the only NRDS out there. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics
CODE.
1061
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Posted - 2017.02.19 04:03:02 -
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NPSI is for carebear pacifistic weenies. Not me shoot it, is more in line with the philosophy of EvE.
Unless of course you're man enough to mwd into your own bombs. Kill everything is how real men play.
There once was a ganker named tisi
A stunningly beautiful missy
To gank a gross miner
There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
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Lucius Avenus
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
14
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:23:13 -
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Quite a few people seem to have left Provi over the time I've been there (some taking a break irl), and then they come back - so I never bothered leaving, which I've considered a couple times. But Provi does seem like a unique place, a battlefield of some tradition for the most honourable exchanging of the Fiskies (good fights). And the bitter vets, especially when you f*#% up, so endearing, you could cry after a good smack.
Don't go bro! o7 |
Akane Togenada
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
59
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:38:46 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe.
Actually the Signal Credo clearly states that we never attack any other players unless being attacked first, all other players are considered neutrals by default. The neutrality even extends to indirect actions such as providing intelligence for other corps/players.
I'm not sure what acronym could be used to describe the Credo but there you have it.
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Iceinio Man-Ar-Kell
Korpus Corp
Elemental Tide
1
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:30:33 -
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Akane Togenada wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Not sov-holding that I know of, but Signal Cartel is NRDS I believe. Actually the Signal Credo clearly states that we never attack any other players unless being attacked first, all other players are considered neutrals by default. The neutrality even extends to indirect actions such as providing intelligence for other corps/players. I'm not sure what acronym could be used to describe the Credo but there you have it.
I`m thinking Signal Cartel shoud get something like: "SOIA" (Shot only if atacked)...
Any way...
All Proviblock is NRDS. Sometimes very painfull. But it helps new players that want to start in Null..
All Alliance in Provi are NRDS if im right - so CVA, TSOE, MENTL, G-F-A, AFK APOC and others...
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Brynjard
Virgin Plc
Evictus.
111
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:03:54 -
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Yes that's right!
Every alliance in the CVA coalition has NRDS policy.
The region is all of Providence + some part of Catch. = Provi block.
When it commes to what is best and not to maintain; it depends on how you look at it.
If you think every neut is looking for a easy gank, you'll have challanges playing in NRDS space.
If you think some neuts are looking for a easy gank, and som are just trying out null sec. You'll be fine. As long as you use your head.
Being said, if you know what you are doing in Null, you'll be safer than High sec. Even if it's NRDS.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2120
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Posted - 2017.03.05 10:35:24 -
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BTW, the reason CVA bans carrier/dread ratting in Provi is that it draws....or used to, anyway......hot drops from PL/CFC/Russians etc.
With the new jump fatigue rules, not so sure anymore, but they are unlikely to change it.
Non-CVA caps in their space also make them nervous as hell, with good reason.
Dunno if they care if you rat in a Force Aux, tho.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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