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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.12.11 05:05:30 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason.
nothing in the re-sculpt is anyplace near as psychologically impactive as gender
BLOPS Hauler
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3383
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Posted - 2016.12.11 05:07:01 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote: politics and real life morals should not dictate what limits people have in the game.
... give me one time this has ever been the case? politics and morals have always deemed what is and what is not acceptable to allow into a game
BLOPS Hauler
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
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Posted - 2016.12.11 13:46:12 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote: politics and real life morals should not dictate what limits people have in the game.
... give me one time this has ever been the case? politics and morals have always deemed what is and what is not acceptable to allow into a game
And yet, EVE is full of people running around killing other players for the sport. So trying to use a moral code to justify one aspect of the game doesn't work when the whole game is people lieing, cheating, stealing and killing.
"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger
All of his fury and rage.
He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels"
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Scath Bererund
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2016.12.11 14:23:05 -
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Frankly yes. This should be part of a resculpt.
How is it that things we can do on earth now are not possable in the EVE galaxy?
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
260
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Posted - 2016.12.11 21:42:30 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason. nothing in the re-sculpt is anyplace near as psychologically impactive as gender
lol
You're just reaching for reasons to be contrary now. Character gender has zero psychological impact in an online video game in 2016.
Player gender in commas and a good performance? Maybe.
Character gender? Not even a little. |
Iracham
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:56:19 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason. nothing in the re-sculpt is anyplace near as psychologically impactive as gender lol You're just reaching for reasons to be contrary now. Character gender has zero psychological impact in an online video game in 2016. Player gender in commas and a good performance? Maybe. Character gender? Not even a little.
You are incorrect.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2386
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Posted - 2016.12.12 19:37:30 -
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Kids, please. The game already allows multiple characters and skill injectors. Use the tools provided and quit trying to waste DEV time and resources. This is an epic sci fi pvp fantasy game - shoot stuff. If you don't like your characters gender - make a new one and transfer the skills via injectors then go shoot stuff.
The game needs interesting and engaging play options. It does not need the ability for you to swap character genders because... the reason doesn't matter. Character gender swaping is soooooooo far away from any core game mechanic or principle that it should default to the bottom of whatever CCP uses as a priority list.
TL/DR - Eve has a great character generator, BUT it is not (nor should it be) space barbies online. Use the tools already available. |
Kami Lincoln
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.12.12 20:30:32 -
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As some have already pointed out, there's a reason you can't. There is also a reason you cannot change your name either. Frankly, with how little role your actually character or gender plays, I'm not sure I really see the point anyway. What's wrong with the character the way she is? You can always sell your character on the forums here and buy a different one with ISK. |
Brokk Witgenstein
Extreme Agony Mordus Angels
910
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Posted - 2016.12.12 21:35:05 -
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The Jove were tinkering with this, and it destabilized their whaddayacallit. (ayyy low effort LOL) |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Plexodus
372
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Posted - 2016.12.13 14:41:48 -
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Really don't need politics injected into my internet spaceship game. |
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morion
Lighting Build
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Posted - 2016.12.13 15:26:06 -
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How are men properly going to learn to break thru there glass ceiling.
By allowing identification alterations and letting them join,
the oppressive and dominant master gender. |
Kristal Rova
Ghost Nebula 237 Corporation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.13 18:14:35 -
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In eve you get consequences of your life in the game. So you never can change your name.. Why can permit change the gender if you have to stay with the same name?
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1500
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:36:49 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Mrs Always Right wrote: Exactly that. SInce it would have no impact at all, shouldn't it be implemented?
Not necessarily. In my line of work there is a mantra that goes 'effort must be equitable'. Which means don't waste time on the small things unless the effort to do it is even smaller.
Personally, I don't have an issue with it being available, but I expect Daichi's point is why it won't be - there's not enough of a market of people who would actually use it to make it worth CCP's effort to divert dev time to implementing it.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1500
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:38:31 -
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AlexHalstead wrote:Lore wise it isn't that HARD to do because we are all CLONES in EVE. Swapping one body for a different clone body providing its brain morphology is same.
I suggest revisiting the definition of clone.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3400
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:41:19 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote: politics and real life morals should not dictate what limits people have in the game.
... give me one time this has ever been the case? politics and morals have always deemed what is and what is not acceptable to allow into a game And yet, EVE is full of people running around killing other players for the sport. So trying to use a moral code to justify one aspect of the game doesn't work when the whole game is people lieing, cheating, stealing and killing.
soooo if moral code is no longer a reason to toss things out why can't i make my toon nude
BLOPS Hauler
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
128
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:46:30 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:soooo if moral code is no longer a reason to toss things out why can't i make my toon nude NO NUDES! Pleasure Bots operate with a degree of mystery in the boudoir.
'One night hauler' The tell all story of a pleasure bot in Jita 4-4
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ChosenIamto Bowyoushall
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:01:48 -
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we should have a gender change clinic moduel for ciutadels and this can only be done down a dark alley way surgery in null sec... and the dna for parts should get donated from other players corpses. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3015
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Posted - 2016.12.14 13:38:23 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason. nothing in the re-sculpt is anyplace near as psychologically impactive as gender
You interact differently with female avatar than you do with male ones? Or do you imply the character's controller will be impacted? |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
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Posted - 2016.12.15 02:32:51 -
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Kristal Rova wrote: In eve you get consequences of your life in the game. So you never can change your name.. Why can permit change the gender if you have to stay with the same name?
Because in practice it is no more impactful to gameplay interactions with other players than clothing, hairstyle, qualifty of character portrait lighting, or boob size.
This is a really weird line in the sand for people to draw in a video game. "It's OK that I can change by skin tone and entire appearance, but GENDER is too far" is a standpoint that doesn't make sense to me. Its a video game.
This isn't some ethics decision based in your real world views of identity politics or religious dogma here. It's simply a matter of player model options in a game where your player model means VERY little in a social sense.
The only possible valid argument against it is that clothing is designed specifically for one or the other gender model, and thus allowing the ability to change gender could allow players to seek cheaper clothing. Which, again, I'm not seeing a problem with. |
Kolinthia Lincoln
Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:44:37 -
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No because it changes the identity of the character, which is a vital aspect of EVE. If they allow gender changes, then people will be up in arms about changing names, because they don't want to be a muscular scarred merc named Candy Panties. Maybe people should spend more time creating their characters. |
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
557
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:53:53 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:No because it changes the identity of the character, which is a vital aspect of EVE. If they allow gender changes, then people will be up in arms about changing names, because they don't want to be a muscular scarred merc named Candy Panties. Maybe people should spend more time creating their characters.
/me attempts to balance on this slippery slope.
--Acrobatic Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Kolinthia Lincoln
Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:47:09 -
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Actually it could work... but they would need to make large penalties to avoid abuse. Such as costing AUR and resetting your reputations, LP and standings with all npc corps and factions to 0. It would also have to show the history in your API. Really I don't see why there's a need given how little an impact your character appearance has on gameplay. We did just fine for years without even being able to change our portraits. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
557
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:14:13 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Actually it could work... but they would need to make large penalties to avoid abuse.
What abuse?
If someone wants to change their gender seven times this week... let them, so long as they are willing to pay the price for the change.
The name will stay the same. Their corp or alliance information is untouched. If they have clothing that doesn't fit anymore, they can sell them or keep them. Also, the character history stays the same, and any notes or contact information another player has on the gender-swapper will stay the same.
Where is this presumed abuse?
Not allowing an individual to play the artsy bit that is the RPG part of EvE, as noted in EvE's own advertising...
Quote:Play EVE Online For Free - #1 Massively Multiplayer RPGGÇÄ ...makes no sense.
I can only assume the the devs just haven't gotten there yet. That's fine. Allocation of resources I can understand. However many of the counter points (when even given) have nothing to do resources, and more with something else.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:53:06 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason. nothing in the re-sculpt is anyplace near as psychologically impactive as gender You interact differently with female avatar than you do with male ones? Or do you imply the character's controller will be impacted?
people physiologically interact differently with them particularly if they don't know them.
BLOPS Hauler
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Kolinthia Lincoln
Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:26:37 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Actually it could work... but they would need to make large penalties to avoid abuse. What abuse? If someone wants to change their gender seven times this week... let them, so long as they are willing to pay the price for the change. The name will stay the same. Their corp or alliance information is untouched. If they have clothing that doesn't fit anymore, they can sell them or keep them. Also, the character history stays the same, and any notes or contact information another player has on the gender-swapper will stay the same. Where is this presumed abuse? Not allowing an individual to play the artsy bit that is the RPG part of EvE, as noted in EvE's own advertising... Quote:Play EVE Online For Free - #1 Massively Multiplayer RPGGÇÄ ...makes no sense. I can only assume the the devs just haven't gotten there yet. That's fine. Allocation of resources I can understand. However many of the counter points (when even given) have nothing to do resources, and more with something else. --Gadget
As mentioned in my previous post name changes would have to come with it because everyone would complain that it breaks immersion to have a male character with a female name or a female character with a male name and that if they're paying money to have their characters gender changed they should have the ability to give it a proper name - which then allows people to scrub their reputation or infamy. However if they then make the gender change feature free, then people will have no reason to purchase AUR to change their features. And suddenly New Eden will be filled with gender fluid avatars.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
559
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:46:51 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:
As mentioned in my previous post name changes would have to come with it because everyone would complain that it breaks immersion to have a male character with a female name or a female character with a male name and that if they're paying money to have their characters gender changed they should have the ability to give it a proper name - which then allows people to scrub their reputation or infamy.
That's the slippery slope logic I was referring to earlier.
Quote:However if they then make the gender change feature free, then people will have no reason to purchase AUR to change their features. And suddenly New Eden will be filled with gender fluid avatars.
More of the same.
The point is to discuss changing a character's gender. If this odd speculation is what you're considering abuse, then I'd like to point out that CCP is extremely stubborn about not allowing name changes (Alpha re-names not withstanding). Names and gender are two separate things that are not necessarily linked. And while it is likely that some might want to change their name AND gender (like when a character is purchased?) CCP could simply allow one and not the other.
Gender in a video game, to many, should be treated like any other clothing. Change it out when you get bored. As for other players... don't gender stereotype and HTFU when someone changes their avatar's clothes...
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Iracham
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.15 23:28:54 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Actually it could work... but they would need to make large penalties to avoid abuse. What abuse? If someone wants to change their gender seven times this week... let them, so long as they are willing to pay the price for the change. The name will stay the same. Their corp or alliance information is untouched. If they have clothing that doesn't fit anymore, they can sell them or keep them. Also, the character history stays the same, and any notes or contact information another player has on the gender-swapper will stay the same. Where is this presumed abuse? Not allowing an individual to play the artsy bit that is the RPG part of EvE, as noted in EvE's own advertising... Quote:Play EVE Online For Free - #1 Massively Multiplayer RPGGÇÄ ...makes no sense. I can only assume the the devs just haven't gotten there yet. That's fine. Allocation of resources I can understand. However many of the counter points (when even given) have nothing to do resources, and more with something else. --Gadget As mentioned in my previous post name changes would have to come with it because everyone would complain that it breaks immersion to have a male character with a female name or a female character with a male name and that if they're paying money to have their characters gender changed they should have the ability to give it a proper name - which then allows people to scrub their reputation or infamy. However if they then make the gender change feature free, then people will have no reason to purchase AUR to change their features. And suddenly New Eden will be filled with gender fluid avatars.
As I mentioned earlier, in my particular case, I do not want to change the name of my avatar to go with a desired gender change, although I am changing both IRL.
There are already a number of "male characters with a female name" and vice versa, as well as no mechanism preventing them from being made in the future.
Also, I don't see anyone particularly interested in gender changes being "free" - I'd personally be fine with spending a resculpt or equivalent to do it (I'd actually be willing to spend more, but I have a more vested psychological interest in doing so, whereas CCP would need to select a viable price point if they were going to make this a regularly available product.)
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
307
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Posted - 2016.12.15 23:57:59 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Actually it could work... but they would need to make large penalties to avoid abuse. Such as costing AUR and resetting your reputations, LP and standings with all npc corps and factions to 0. It would also have to show the history in your API. Really I don't see why there's a need given how little an impact your character appearance has on gameplay. We did just fine for years without even being able to change our portraits.
Why?
Unlike gender, character name and histories actually DO matter in terms of permanent decision points and a record of relationships with other entities in the game, both NPC and player corp. There is no reason to start allowing people to change character names, and there's also nothing in place to prevent the creation of "male" names on "female" characters or vice versa already so there's no logical standing for anyone to demand a name change.
If people are doing a gender change they're already doing it knowing full well that name changes are not a thing in EVE for very good reasons.
Gender simply doesn't matter any more than hairstyle.
Point here is since they already offer an item for AUR that can completely change the appearance of your character (literally resculpting every body and facial parameter) that a gender swap is a logical addition to that item.
There is literally no more potential for abuse than the existing resculpt, or "pay to win" boots and pants. Your portrait looks different. whoopdee doo. It changes nothing of mechanical significance that is abusable. |
Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.16 07:30:30 -
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The new master race: Becoming Androgynous
The future where there is cloning and biological manipulation of all sorts genders wouldn't really need to come into the picture anyway. Therefore I support the ability to change sex, however not from male to female or vice versa, but from male or female to becoming Androgynous, and neither male or female. This means your pilot either accepts who they are or can choose to lose their sexual identity. |
Kolinthia Lincoln
Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.16 20:29:00 -
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Deckel wrote:The new master race: Becoming Androgynous
The future where there is cloning and biological manipulation of all sorts genders wouldn't really need to come into the picture anyway. Therefore I support the ability to change sex, however not from male to female or vice versa, but from male or female to becoming Androgynous, and neither male or female. This means your pilot either accepts who they are or can choose to lose their sexual identity.
That's about as pointless as adding a voice to your character that no one will ever hear. In fact, aside from choosing a gender in the character creation screen, gender isn't mentioned at all anywhere else. |
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