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Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8231	Posted - 2016.12.05 11:39:44 - [1] - Quote Vote EVE, 2016. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
om rootingking Far Beyond Triggered 48	Posted - 2016.12.05 12:12:45 - [2] - Quote Implying it was at some point not great. Pls.
2Sonas1Cup 168	Posted - 2016.12.05 13:09:15 - [3] - Quote Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8231	Posted - 2016.12.05 13:10:28 - [4] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nalia White Tencus 227	Posted - 2016.12.05 13:50:15 - [5] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. That said EvE's game mechanic actualy prevents the pay to win style because all the ISK in the universe will be worthless if you don't excel at the game mechanics level. So far never met a person that is a good player and spends endless cash on EvE.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8231	Posted - 2016.12.05 13:58:18 - [6] - Quote Nalia White wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. Having the 'best stuff' =/= winning. I lost a curse the other day to two t1 cruisers that alpha's can fly. Additionally, define 'winning' in EVE. You don't win EVE. EVE wins you. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vigirr 157	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:12:03 - [7] - Quote We're losing to FF14 and GW2. Can't let the lesser nerds win!
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1127	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:16:05 - [8] - Quote Nalia White wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. That said EvE's game mechanic actualy prevents the pay to win style because all the ISK in the universe will be worthless if you don't excel at the game mechanics level. So far never met a person that is a good player and spends endless cash on EvE. No offense but I have seen many players like this. Ive even profited handsomely off them as players. The reason you ask? You can buy friends for in game isk too. Buy good friends and never be bothered. If you have enough isk its not "renting" anymore its just buying your stuff, and apparently if you buy enough you arent classed as a renter anymore. Funny how that works huh? Spend enough and peoples opinions change about your "social status." Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8233	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:17:37 - [9] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Nalia White wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. That said EvE's game mechanic actualy prevents the pay to win style because all the ISK in the universe will be worthless if you don't excel at the game mechanics level. So far never met a person that is a good player and spends endless cash on EvE. No offense but I have seen many players like this. Ive even profited handsomely off them as players. The reason you ask? You can buy friends for in game isk too. Buy good friends and never be bothered. If you have enough isk its not "renting" anymore its just buying your stuff, and apparently if you buy enough you arent classed as a renter anymore. Funny how that works huh? Spend enough and peoples opinions change about your "social status." There's a pretty shiny barghest on my KB from a few days ago that will tell you he didn't win. Unfortunately, we didn't either. Loot fairy says no. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1127	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:20:40 - [10] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Nalia White wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. That said EvE's game mechanic actualy prevents the pay to win style because all the ISK in the universe will be worthless if you don't excel at the game mechanics level. So far never met a person that is a good player and spends endless cash on EvE. No offense but I have seen many players like this. Ive even profited handsomely off them as players. The reason you ask? You can buy friends for in game isk too. Buy good friends and never be bothered. If you have enough isk its not "renting" anymore its just buying your stuff, and apparently if you buy enough you arent classed as a renter anymore. Funny how that works huh? Spend enough and peoples opinions change about your "social status." There's a pretty shiny barghest on my KB from a few days ago that will tell you he didn't win. Unfortunately, we didn't either. Loot fairy says no. So what youre saying is the guy bought stuff but didnt buy the right friends to cover his ass. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8233	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:29:20 - [11] - Quote Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: So what youre saying is the guy bought stuff but didnt buy the right friends to cover his ass. Indeed. And then in the mails he sent following his defeat, he accused me of bringing 5 or 6 other people to help.... despite there only being two of us on the mail. "No but I bet they were waiting somewhere, cuz you're a coward. See you soon, coward," he said to me. So I replied, "I'm looking forward to it. Next time, bring a calculator." Anyway... VOTE EVE!!!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 250	Posted - 2016.12.05 14:51:16 - [12] - Quote Nalia White wrote: To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. I'm by no means old enough to remember this time. But I think "always" is taking it too far as PLEX were not invented on day 1. Looking at this thread I would suggest that PLEX were introduced in 2008 after 5 years and game time codes (their predecessors) in 2004. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=143458
Hrist Harkonnen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2016.12.05 15:08:25 - [13] - Quote FF14 is ok but GW2? Its the most boring MMORPG ever since i started playing this genre in 1999. Try EVE Online for FREE with 250.000 extra skill points here!
Yarosara Ruil Haighare Pirates 753	Posted - 2016.12.05 17:59:51 - [14] - Quote Hrist Harkonnen wrote: FF14 is ok but GW2? Its the most boring MMORPG ever since i started playing this genre in 1999. Finally, someone that doesn't have porridge for brains and sees that piece of MMO crap for what it is!
Kosomot Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS 17	Posted - 2016.12.05 18:11:15 - [15] - Quote so i'm going to say this before some whining cry baby alpha does. how can eve be great, it's not free enough!!! there now it's out of the way...go and vote for eve. Best MMO not just this year but next year too. I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer... or as EVE Online would have it... A Carebear!!
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 834	Posted - 2016.12.05 18:31:49 - [16] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Pay to win games can't be great. Good thing we're talking about EVE then
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 559	Posted - 2016.12.05 19:59:00 - [17] - Quote done.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1963	Posted - 2016.12.06 08:50:02 - [18] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Eternus8lux8lucis wrote: Nalia White wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Implying it was ever great. Pay to win games can't be great. And that's why we're voting for EVE Online instead of Black Desert. To be fair. EvE's payment mechanic was always pay to win, witih the possibility to throw rl money for endless ingame money you have the potential to always buy the best stuff. That said EvE's game mechanic actualy prevents the pay to win style because all the ISK in the universe will be worthless if you don't excel at the game mechanics level. So far never met a person that is a good player and spends endless cash on EvE. No offense but I have seen many players like this. Ive even profited handsomely off them as players. The reason you ask? You can buy friends for in game isk too. Buy good friends and never be bothered. If you have enough isk its not "renting" anymore its just buying your stuff, and apparently if you buy enough you arent classed as a renter anymore. Funny how that works huh? Spend enough and peoples opinions change about your "social status." There's a pretty shiny barghest on my KB from a few days ago that will tell you he didn't win. Unfortunately, we didn't either. Loot fairy says no. Well... I guess the whole history needs definition of 'win'. His KB says that he actually HAD this shiny thing. Your KB shows that you kill it (and yes, didn't get any of his shinies). If 'win' is ISK value on KB then yes, it's your win. If 'win' is ability to actually fly shiny things and not caring about it then 'win' is his (depends on his reaction to that loss actually). The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8246	Posted - 2016.12.06 09:05:18 - [19] - Quote March rabbit wrote: stuff Just go vote for EVE, rabbit. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8251	Posted - 2016.12.06 20:51:27 - [20] - Quote UPDATE: EVE Online has overtaken everything except GW2 to place second so far. With 23 days remaining, please remember to vote twice a day, every day, to ensure our victory!!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Snyzer Erata State War Academy Caldari State 13	Posted - 2016.12.06 23:51:10 - [21] - Quote I am sad to see that ARK: Survival Evolved has only 33 votes. ARK survival evolved is an excellent sandobox with pvp full loot. All items in the game are created by the players and you can even tame dinosaurs to kill other players! Very underrated game. Much better than GW2, wow and tes online... Please excuse any grammatical errors and sorry for any misspellings. English is not my native language. I'm from brazil.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.09 01:39:59 - [22] - Quote I had to go look for this thread, it was 3 pages down, so I thought I'd bump it up. I try to vote every time. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8268	Posted - 2016.12.09 01:46:09 - [23] - Quote Ion Kirst wrote: I had to go look for this thread, it was 3 pages down, so I thought I'd bump it up. I try to vote every time. -Kirst Thanks man, I was gonna give it a bump a bit later myself if no one else had, but I appreciate your efforts. Come on, folks, let's get EVE to the top where it belongs! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.13 14:18:16 - [24] - Quote Guild Wars - 2834 votes Elder Scrolls - 2104 votes EVE - 1565 votes It's really easy to vote. Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Lulu Lunette Savage Moon Society 861	Posted - 2016.12.13 15:18:50 - [25] - Quote I voted! I helped! @lunettelulu7
Starrakatt Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department 628	Posted - 2016.12.13 15:29:51 - [26] - Quote I'm an EVE geek, so did my part too. Sneaky bastard. Complaints Department is recruiting! We got wardecced, ohnoes!
Sonya Corvinus Grant Village 846	Posted - 2016.12.13 16:15:04 - [27] - Quote Snyzer Erata wrote: I am sad to see that ARK: Survival Evolved has only 33 votes. ARK survival evolved is an excellent sandobox with pvp full loot. All items in the game are created by the players and you can even tame dinosaurs to kill other players! Very underrated game. Much better than GW2, wow and tes online... Has ARK changed in the last few months? I tried it earlier this year and it was nearly unplayable. Players put single block pillars everywhere to keep other people from building structures, which seemed like a terrible mechanic to me.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.13 20:21:23 - [28] - Quote Vote for each category: Top MMOS of 2016 Top Expansion of 2016 Best Sandbox of 2016 Best F2P of 2016 You can vote twice a day! -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.15 14:16:49 - [29] - Quote Just not getting the votes like EVE got in the past. Guild Wars - 2852 Elder Scrolls - 2158 Hello Kitty - 1850 EVE - 1590 -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8412	Posted - 2016.12.15 14:20:49 - [30] - Quote Okay, this is unacceptable. I can understand not beating Guild Wars, but only because GW is more mainstream. But if EVE gets beat by Hello Kitty, everyone that plays this game should feel really ashamed. And if you don't, then it's probably because you don't care about silly internet rankings of MMOs, which I understand, but still... Hello Kitty? Vote twice, everyday. Everyone. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Clandestiny Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2016.12.15 14:47:49 - [31] - Quote How does spamming the VOTE =ƒöä make Eve Great? The creation of Skill=ƒÆëExtractors and Skill=ƒÆëInjectors damaged the integrity of the game beyond repair. G¢ö And for what? Some quick =ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦ May as well hit the reset button! =ƒÆú I doubt Eve will EVER be great again...=ƒÿ¦ =ƒÄ» GÇ£People tell me I saved hundreds and hundreds of people. But I have to tell you: ItGÇÖs not the people you saved that you remember. ItGÇÖs the ones you couldnGÇÖt save.GÇ¥ =ƒÄ»
Dibz Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 153	Posted - 2016.12.15 15:25:27 - [32] - Quote Warframe at 6k points Abandon mission
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 1194	Posted - 2016.12.15 15:41:31 - [33] - Quote mmogames is just a scam. Only adverts and whatever standard game news the marketing departments drop for free. Guess it's all about the "unique visitors" all their fake polls generate and the premium adverts in the background.
Salvos Rhoska 1688	Posted - 2016.12.15 16:10:03 - [34] - Quote I have ESO and GW2 accounts. Both have nowhere near the depth of EVE, and both have development issues way beyond our concerns with CCP here in this game. Im not surprised at the result cos people vote the one game they play, as a validation for playing it, as a result of playing it. These polls are stupid and systemically so. And as poster above points out, dont care about the quality of a game or representing it, just traffic in their own sites interest. I voted EVE, for what its worth. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Val Kaleth Realm of Mischief 146	Posted - 2016.12.15 17:41:55 - [35] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: I have ESO and GW2 accounts. Both have nowhere near the depth of EVE, and both have development issues way beyond our concerns with CCP here in this game. Complete crap in comparison. Im not surprised at the result cos people vote the one game they play, as validation for playing it, as a result of playing it. "I play this game, and Im great, therefore the game I play must also be great" These polls are stupid and systemically so. And as poster above points out, dont care about the quality of a game or representing it, just traffic in their own sites interest. I voted EVE, for what its worth. I also play ESO, but voted EVE, since EVE is special, and ESO is just a nicer version of the same old mmo clone kicking around. Feel free to join me in game in the "Realm of Mischief" channel. disappears in a cloud of rust
Alan Greenspud State War Academy Caldari State 10	Posted - 2016.12.15 17:53:19 - [36] - Quote om rootingking wrote: Implying it was at some point not great. Pls. Yes, yes he is. CCP has made many mistakes over the past few years and the concurrent player count is proof of this. I'll give CCP credit the "Alpha" clone thing has helped to bring back many older players but I would challenge them to release how many new subscriptions they received from this expansion, we'll continue to watch the concurrent player count closely. What;s wrong with EVE, besides the big ones "Wardec" and "Moon mining" to start with, additional EVE was a different game, where CCP was proud to release new features for free and they had continued development of this game without some new way for CCP to get paid, Skins, AUR, Extractors to name a few. The biggest straw for us "Bitter Vets" is the game is way to easy, the game was difficult not because it wasn't refined, it was difficult because EVE was ruthless, today's EVE I expect SpongeBob SquarePants to popout of nowhere to hold my hand. EVE simple lost its mystery, and CCP has failed to deliver new and exciting content over the past few years to create the sense of mystery once again. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6704282#post6704282
Da'iel Zehn Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines 199	Posted - 2016.12.15 19:54:11 - [37] - Quote Big league!
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.15 21:28:48 - [38] - Quote I don't know if the OP misspoke when he labeled this post as "Make EVE Great Again". Maybe he did, maybe he didn't, doesn't matter. EVE, to me, has always been good. I will even say, a great game, and keeps getting better. The voting will not make EVE great again. That is not the point, and lets not linger on that. It's just for a bit of pride, maybe to see your game, if it is EVE, #1 in the voting ballots. How many people know that EVE was entered into MOMA? (there is no voting for "Hello Kitty", I only threw it in there to show that EVE is lagging behind in the most voted on category. EVE is ahead in 3 other categories. There's always been a reference to "Hello Kitty" in the forums over the years. (If you didn't like EVE, or it was too hard for you, then maybe go play "Hello Kitty".) I would like to see EVE win out over all those other games, in all categories. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Salvos Rhoska 1689	Posted - 2016.12.15 22:39:02 - [39] - Quote If anything, the US election result has showed polls mean nothing PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8421	Posted - 2016.12.15 22:52:18 - [40] - Quote Alan Greenspud wrote: om rootingking wrote: Implying it was at some point not great. Pls. Yes, yes he is. No, no I'm not. Don't speak for me, little boy, I was using a turn of phrase, and most people caught on to that. Salvos, it's not a poll. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1690	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:00:31 - [41] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos, it's not a poll. Then what is it? I am aware of the difference between a vote and a poll. Polls are for purposes of statistical analysis, votes are for decisions on enactment by empowered individuals. The "vote" in question, is a a poll. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Demonspawn 666 Caldari Provisions Caldari State 45	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:04:23 - [42] - Quote voted... again! Anyone else notice the glaring error? Star Citizen in 'Most anticipated 2017' category............ how many years has it been in that category now? Corp invites welcome! I like blowing stuff up and talking cr@p. Sense of humour and high tolerance to stupidity essential!
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8421	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:05:55 - [43] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos, it's not a poll. Then what is it? It's not poll in the sense that it's testing which way the vote is going to go, as you alluded to. Is that better? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1690	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:08:18 - [44] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos, it's not a poll. Then what is it? It's not poll in the sense that it's testing which way the vote is going to go, as you alluded to. Is that better? You are not "voting" for anything in this instance. You are merely giving a response to a poll. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8421	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:11:43 - [45] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos, it's not a poll. Then what is it? It's not poll in the sense that it's testing which way the vote is going to go, as you alluded to. Is that better? You are not "voting" for anything in this instance. You are merely giving a response to a poll. Oh really? So, responses to polls aren't considered voting? I suggest you get a dictionary and check the definitions of the words you're using here, because you're arguing semantics. You alluded to the US pre-election polls as if this was something similar. It's not, it's that simple, but if you want to argue semantics and let Hello Kitty win instead of just going over there and voting for EVE, then please, feel free to waste your own time doing so, but I'm not going to argue this pedantic rubbish with you. Call it whatever you like. Just vote for EVE. Thanks. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1690	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:14:41 - [46] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Oh really? So, responses to polls aren't considered voting?. Correct. Albeit ignoring the "considered" factor in your wording, which is subjective and irrelevant. Yes, responses to polls are not voting. Period. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8421	Posted - 2016.12.15 23:17:42 - [47] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Oh really? So, responses to polls aren't considered voting?. Correct. Albeit ignoring the "considered" factor in your wording, which is subjective and irrelevant. Yes, responses to polls are not voting. Period. So, by your own definition, the race for best MMO is not a poll, since people are voting there. Awesome, glad we cleared that up. Now go vote for EVE. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.17 15:52:20 - [48] - Quote EVE is fading fast in the voting! Warframe - 7008 Guild Wars - 2867 Elder Scrolls - 2173 EVE - 1632 Warframe has gotten 214 votes in the last two days, and EVE has gotten 7. Pathetic (I think at least 4 of the last 7 have been mine.) I guess the players of Warframe like their game more than the players of EVE like theirs. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8437	Posted - 2016.12.17 16:07:44 - [49] - Quote Ion Kirst wrote: EVE is fading fast in the voting! Warframe - 7008 Guild Wars - 2867 Elder Scrolls - 2173 EVE - 1632 Warframe has gotten 214 votes in the last two days, and EVE has gotten 7. Pathetic (I think at least 4 of the last 7 have been mine.) I guess the players of Warframe like their game more than the players of EVE like theirs. -Kirst The same could be said for McDonalds vs a quality 3-star restaurant though. The mainstream games will always attract a mainstream audience. EVE can't win these things because of that. But we can damn well give it a good showing nonetheless. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Expendable Unit Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 20	Posted - 2016.12.17 16:51:22 - [50] - Quote Putin now already has to make Russia as well as the US great again (since he will be ruling both), but now Eve as well ? Come on, give him a break.
Salvos Rhoska 1698	Posted - 2016.12.17 19:32:28 - [51] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Oh really? So, responses to polls aren't considered voting?. Correct. Albeit ignoring the "considered" factor in your wording, which is subjective and irrelevant. Yes, responses to polls are not voting. Period. So, by your own definition, the race for best MMO is not a poll, since people are voting there. Awesome, glad we cleared that up. Now go vote for EVE. Its not a vote. Its a poll. None of these sites have a mandate to declare the best MMO by vote. All they can do, is poll. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Kamala Sakar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 12	Posted - 2016.12.17 21:16:55 - [52] - Quote Atleast the top contenders are pretty ok. The fact that ES:O have more then 2.500 votes is a travesty since it's easily the biggest letdown in MMO:s I have ever had. Bethesda really dropped the ball when they let a bunch of newbies take control of their franchise game.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8443	Posted - 2016.12.18 00:56:08 - [53] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Oh really? So, responses to polls aren't considered voting?. Correct. Albeit ignoring the "considered" factor in your wording, which is subjective and irrelevant. Yes, responses to polls are not voting. Period. So, by your own definition, the race for best MMO is not a poll, since people are voting there. Awesome, glad we cleared that up. Now go vote for EVE. Its not a vote. Its a poll. None of these sites have a mandate to declare the best MMO by vote. All they can do, is poll. Stop trolling, Salvos. Sheesh mate, sometimes you're more autstic than I am on these forums, and I'm pretty autistic. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 214	Posted - 2016.12.18 15:30:18 - [54] - Quote Maybe this will help: Hillary won the polls, Trump won the vote. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Kamala Sakar Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 15	Posted - 2016.12.18 15:52:26 - [55] - Quote To Warframes defence atleast it's a decent game. Guild Wars 2 feels rather meh and Elder Scrolls: Online is just an awful game.
Salvos Rhoska 1700	Posted - 2016.12.18 17:57:35 - [56] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Stop trolling, Salvos. Sheesh mate, sometimes you're more autstic than I am on these forums, and I'm pretty autistic. Trolling is making aggravating statements you dont believe in, for purposes of eliciting emotional reactions and conflict4. The autistic cannot troll. They lack the capacity/impetus to do so, because they are impaired in emphatic faculty, lack theory of self, and thus cannot anticipate or much less manipulate the reaction from others. I hate this meme. Im just saying things as I see them, same as you. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 215	Posted - 2016.12.18 19:20:53 - [57] - Quote http://www.mmogames.com/topmmos/best-mmo-of-2016/ Geez, if everyone who's online now in EVE voted, there would be over 46,000 votes! I'm going to start mentioning the voting in game. I got people spread out over 3 different systems, and races. Maybe it will help. -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Salvos Rhoska 1700	Posted - 2016.12.18 19:39:04 - [58] - Quote Pitiful insignificant poll on an irrelevant site Ive never even heard of. I have an ESO account. Its a disaster compared to EVE. This is self-serving marketing trash of no consequence. Every pointless game review site is trying to push their own various "awards" as if they matter. They pump site advertisement money into hack reviewers that write crap articles on the last night of the deadline with usually barely any time played in the game in question. I despise these sites. Maybe they hope they will get free stuff, exclusive interviews or paid passes to events. In anycase, they are half a55ed producers of no relevant/valuable content. These polls mean nothing. Its nonsense. All that matters, is if people pay to play a game. If people pay to do that, that is the highest accolade, and the most functional to a games future and development. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 215	Posted - 2016.12.18 22:41:04 - [59] - Quote Salvos, Well, after that rant, kiddo, it looks like from this point on you should have nothing more to say. If you think no one cares about EVE in this voting, we even care less about what you say. Did you say all that in one breath? I think you're are so done with this. adios, -Kirst Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8448	Posted - 2016.12.19 01:11:36 - [60] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Cynical rubbish. Then don't vote. No one is forcing you to vote, no one is forcing you to comment here, nobody but you made the decision to expatiate that absolute dribble you just did. Like, people call me and others here 'bittervets' for not liking their bad, un-eve-like ideas, but you're just damn bitter man. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1718	Posted - 2016.12.19 08:13:53 - [61] - Quote Okidoki. I "voted" EVE for: -Best MMO 2016 -Best Sandbox 2016 -Best F2P 2016 -Best Expansion 2016 -Valkyrie for Best New Game 2016, cos Im a CCP fanboi. This cost me atleast 50 precious mouse clicks (including captcha) instead of using them in EVE to make iskies... Yes, I am a bitter man... But I always deliver. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Railyn Quisqueya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2016.12.21 03:13:51 - [62] - Quote I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment?
Shae Tadaruwa Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 1319	Posted - 2016.12.21 03:25:04 - [63] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? If it's the Best MMO and also only for the smartest and most elite gamers, them perhaps as far as gamers go, we sit above other nerds and neck beards and somewhat approach a state that other people call normal. Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Salvos Rhoska 1718	Posted - 2016.12.21 05:12:32 - [64] - Quote Shae Tadaruwa wrote: somewhat approach a state that other people call normal. Not even close. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Pix Severus Empty You 5412	Posted - 2016.12.21 05:22:06 - [65] - Quote A game reviewer once said: "EVE is for the nerds who are to nerds, what nerds are to normal people." MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - Dec 20 2016 - The Damsel MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide
Ion Kirst KIRSTONE ALLIANCE 220	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:05:26 - [66] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? I'm sorry to hurt your feelings, but this has nothing to do with your peepee. Always remember Tovil-Toba, and what was done there.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8481	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:22:22 - [67] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? If the polls are a popularity contest, then no. If the polls are meant to reflect the quality of games, then yes, it is terrible, because popularity =/= quality. As much is evident by how many fans Justin Beiber has. Most people don't know what a quality gaming experience is, which is why EA's candy-making business is still such an enormous one. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska 1718	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:26:40 - [68] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? 1) Nobody here drives anyone away, or wants to. Quite the contrary. 2) All EVE players, new and old, are "one of us". 3) Until they aren't. 4) Until they are again, weeks/months/years, later. 5) EVE players are proud of the opportunity and community this game offers to everyone. 6) These polls are a tedious annual occurrence across dozens of sites trying to get a leg up on other such sites. 7) My peepee is YUUUUUGE. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Railyn Quisqueya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2016.12.21 15:56:43 - [69] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: If the polls are a popularity contest, then no. If the polls are meant to reflect the quality of games, then yes, it is terrible, because popularity =/= quality. As much is evident by how many fans Justin Beiber has. Most people don't know what a quality gaming experience is, which is why EA's candy-making business is still such an enormous one. I have to disagree with you on this. In my opinion it is a popularity contest. There is, as far as I can tell, no qualitative assessment being made; never mind "quality" hasn't even been defined (I'll get to this in a minute). It's just people encouraging people to out-vote other games in, ironically enough, the same way I'd expect a group of teenage girls to vote for Justin Bieber as best artist of the year. And Remiel, I don't mean this as an insult, though I admit it will come across that way. Most importantly, I'm trying to drive a point across. Now on to "Quality". What quality characteristics exactly are being measured? Because what would qualify Eve to you as a high quality game may not necessarily qualify it for someone else. For example, saying Eve is "high quality" because its player base is the most friendly, mature, and kind of any other game out there is a subjective statement. In fact, I personally wouldn't expect Eve to rank high in this area. Now, with that said there are areas that are less grey, especially when we deal with hardware and software technology. But even with this said, there really is no qualitative assessment being made here. As far as I can tell, it's been set up to be driven by the popular vote. Vote, vote, and vote. The game with the most votes (i.e. the popular vote) wins. Which brings me to my next point: Win what exactly anyway? That Eve is crowned best game by the masses? When this game really isn't for the masses? It just seems a bit oxymoronic (<== I think I made this word up) to expect Eve to be the best (again, determined by popular vote) when it really isn't that great among the gaming population.
Salvos Rhoska 1718	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:01:26 - [70] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I have to disagree with you on this You are agreeing with him. Everything in your post agrees with him. You have critically misread/misunderstood what he said. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Railyn Quisqueya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:05:29 - [71] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? 1) Nobody here drives anyone away, or wants to. Quite the contrary. 2) All EVE players, new and old, are "one of us". 3) Until they aren't. 4) Until they are again, weeks/months/years, later. 5) EVE players are proud of the opportunity and community this game offers to everyone. 6) These polls are a tedious annual occurrence across dozens of sites trying to get a leg up on other such sites. 7) My peepee is YUUUUUGE. I don't know, my friend. I strongly disagree with (1) and (2). I've seen many player interactions and comments expressing joy in leading players out to the door (regardless of reasons... this is a different topic all together). And I've played this game long enough to have seen wars of "us vs them" within the Eve community. "If you don't play like me you are not one of us". It's a common and prevalent theme here. Oh, and congratulations on your huge peepee. I hope it's workin' out for ya .
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8483	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:09:25 - [72] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: If the polls are a popularity contest, then no. If the polls are meant to reflect the quality of games, then yes, it is terrible, because popularity =/= quality. As much is evident by how many fans Justin Beiber has. Most people don't know what a quality gaming experience is, which is why EA's candy-making business is still such an enormous one. I have to disagree with you on this. In my opinion it is a popularity contest. There is, as far as I can tell, no qualitative assessment being made; never mind "quality" hasn't even been defined (I'll get to this in a minute). It's just people encouraging people to out-vote other games in, ironically enough, the same way I'd expect a group of teenage girls to vote for Justin Bieber as best artist of the year. And Remiel, I don't mean this as an insult, though I admit it will come across that way. Most importantly, I'm trying to drive a point across. Now on to "Quality". What quality characteristics exactly are being measured? Because what would qualify Eve to you as a high quality game may not necessarily qualify it for someone else. For example, saying Eve is "high quality" because its player base is the most friendly, mature, and kind of any other game out there is a subjective statement. In fact, I personally wouldn't expect Eve to rank high in this area. Now, with that said there are areas that are less grey, especially when we deal with hardware and software technology. But even with this said, there really is no qualitative assessment being made here. As far as I can tell, it's been set up to be driven by the popular vote. Vote, vote, and vote. The game with the most votes (i.e. the popular vote) wins. Which brings me to my next point: Win what exactly anyway? That Eve is crowned best game by the masses? When this game really isn't for the masses? It just seems a bit oxymoronic (<== I think I made this word up) to expect Eve to be the best (again, determined by popular vote) when it really isn't that great among the gaming population. What part of "If the polls are a popularity contest, then no" did you struggle with exactly? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Railyn Quisqueya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:11:48 - [73] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I have to disagree with you on this You are agreeing with him. Everything in your post agrees with him. You have critically misread/misunderstood what he said. Proof positive: -I didnt even look at the other options. -I voted EVE, by rote, wherever I saw it. I behaved exactly like you, and Remiel, predicted, There is no validity in these polls for claiming to declare a "best" of anything. Its just a marketing mechanism for gaming sites to accrue page hits, advertising income and compete with other gaming sites for the "validity" of the accolades they offer. Ah. So he indeed agrees it's a popularity contest? Then my mistake. But then again, back to my original question, why is winning this vote so important? What's the end goal here? A popular consensus that Eve is the best? Seems a bit dishonest.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8483	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:15:25 - [74] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I'm sure this will hurt some feelings, but what does it matter if Eve ranks last or first, other that to say "my peepee is bigger than yours"? Eve players pride themselves in driving away the masses and claiming this game isn't for everyone. So, is it really that terrible if the polls agree with this sentiment? 1) Nobody here drives anyone away, or wants to. Quite the contrary. 2) All EVE players, new and old, are "one of us". 3) Until they aren't. 4) Until they are again, weeks/months/years, later. 5) EVE players are proud of the opportunity and community this game offers to everyone. 6) These polls are a tedious annual occurrence across dozens of sites trying to get a leg up on other such sites. 7) My peepee is YUUUUUGE. I don't know, my friend. I strongly disagree with (1) and (2). I've seen many player interactions and comments expressing joy in leading players out to the door (regardless of reasons... this is a different topic all together). And I've played this game long enough to have seen wars of "us vs them" within the Eve community. "If you don't play like me you are not one of us". It's a common and prevalent theme here. Oh, and congratulations on your huge peepee. I hope it's workin' out for ya . I'm also glad when certain people leave. The people who were always going to leave, that is, regardless of who you might want to blame for their departure. Since ascension launched, I've spent that time blapping all kinds of people in lowsec, both new and old. It's the new players I actually get the most interesting reactions from when they explode. "Can you tell me how you did that? I want to learn." It's the old ones that send me rage mail and allude to intimate moments with my mother. Old established carebears who have spent most of their time in high sec running generic PVE who are used to mostly being left alone. They're the ones that think EVE is something that it isn't, more often than not. And they should absolutely be driven out of this game before they can be allowed to spread their misconceptions of this game and their awful habits to incorrigible newbros. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8483	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:22:41 - [75] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: Railyn Quisqueya wrote: I have to disagree with you on this You are agreeing with him. Everything in your post agrees with him. You have critically misread/misunderstood what he said. Proof positive: -I didnt even look at the other options. -I voted EVE, by rote, wherever I saw it. I behaved exactly like you, and Remiel, predicted, There is no validity in these polls for claiming to declare a "best" of anything. Its just a marketing mechanism for gaming sites to accrue page hits, advertising income and compete with other gaming sites for the "validity" of the accolades they offer. Ah. So he indeed agrees it's a popularity contest? Then my mistake. But then again, back to my original question, why is winning this vote so important? What's the end goal here? A popular consensus that Eve is the best? Seems a bit dishonest. Remiel Pollard wrote: What part of "If the polls are a popularity contest, then no" did you struggle with exactly? Honestly? I guess the part where you don't clearly declare whether you agree or disagree with your "if" statement above . I posted this thread for a bit of fun. I thought the playful spin on the words used in a certain recent political campaign made that clear, but apparently not. Is it my autism for expecting people to understand the irony or is it everyone elses? How should I know, I really am actually autistic. But I don't actually care what the poll is, I'm not the one that started taking the thread ultra seriously. I don't care if EVE wins, or loses, but judging by the votes so far and compared to what it's up against, as popularity contests go, EVE has done remarkably well. At the end of the day, the people who understand EVE know what it is, and know that it is the single most unique gaming experience available right now. Everything else is dime-a-dozen cookie-cutter crap. Candy with no nutritional value. EVE is a gourmet meal with more secret herbs and spices than the Colonel's fried chicken. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Railyn Quisqueya Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 35	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:25:06 - [76] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm also glad when certain people leave. The people who were always going to leave, that is, regardless of who you might want to blame for their departure. Since ascension launched, I've spent that time blapping all kinds of people in lowsec, both new and old. It's the new players I actually get the most interesting reactions from when they explode. "Can you tell me how you did that? I want to learn." It's the old ones that send me rage mail and allude to intimate moments with my mother. Old established carebears who have spent most of their time in high sec running generic PVE who are used to mostly being left alone. They're the ones that think EVE is something that it isn't, more often than not. And they should absolutely be driven out of this game before they can be allowed to spread their misconceptions of this game and their awful habits to incorrigible newbros. But this is exactly my point. The accepted culture of Eve is that this game is not meant to be popular or mainstream. I'm trying to understand why winning a popular vote seems to be so important to some.
Salvos Rhoska 1719	Posted - 2016.12.21 16:59:24 - [77] - Quote Railyn: The trial by fire and hazing of players is a gesture of camaraderie and brotherhood by the "dark side" of players. The advice and assistance offered by players is a gesture of community and support by the "light side" of players. They are two sides of the same coin, that is EVE. Any one player can be either, at any time. Remiel: You arent autistic. You are just direct and call it as you see it. This is an admirable and virtuous quality, for what it is. Doesnt mean you are always right, though. I think we can all agree these polls by gaming sites are silly, and exist only to profit/benefit the issuing gaming site in terms of site hits, advertising and raising their "awards" above those of other such sites. They do not represent the quality of a game, only how many people they have managed to divert to participate in their poll Having said that, I agree with Remiel's effort in OP. If we can improve CCPs margins, and bring more attention to this game, and more meat for our grinder, just by clicking on a few websites, Im for it. With a concerted effort we could subvert the methods of these sites, and competing games, by utterly outvoting all alternatives, on every site, every year, easily. PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8488	Posted - 2016.12.22 00:26:08 - [78] - Quote Railyn Quisqueya wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: I'm also glad when certain people leave. The people who were always going to leave, that is, regardless of who you might want to blame for their departure. Since ascension launched, I've spent that time blapping all kinds of people in lowsec, both new and old. It's the new players I actually get the most interesting reactions from when they explode. "Can you tell me how you did that? I want to learn." It's the old ones that send me rage mail and allude to intimate moments with my mother. Old established carebears who have spent most of their time in high sec running generic PVE who are used to mostly being left alone. They're the ones that think EVE is something that it isn't, more often than not. And they should absolutely be driven out of this game before they can be allowed to spread their misconceptions of this game and their awful habits to incorrigible newbros. But this is exactly my point. The accepted culture of Eve is that this game is not meant to be popular or mainstream. I'm trying to understand why winning a popular vote seems to be so important to some. Edit: Just read your comment above. For the record, my curiosity was never about the title. That was pretty clear from the start. In any case, you answered my question. So disregard this post altogether :). The Bugatti Veyron isn't popular or mainstream, but it's a high quality piece of automotive machinery. Candy is extremely popular and mainstream, but it's got no nutritional value whatsoever, and every last piece tastes just like the last one. EVE Online isn't popular or mainstream because it's not easy to get into. It's not a 'plug and play' game, but rather, it's a learning experience that requires an active frontal lobe, because if you don't have or can't muster the right attitude and personality to deal with the other people in this game, you're going to fail. It requires attributes of the human mind that only exist for a minority of people because most people grew up in a cotton wool being handed everything on a silver platter. This game is a high-quality gaming experience by virtue of being the single most unique gaming experience available. That's the qualifier, and the only one it needs. The very long list of things in this game that make it that are not easy to come across: single-shard, player-driven, your choices aren't just illusions of choice but actually matter. There are a range of games that I would put up there with EVE where high-quality gaming experiences go: XCOM, the most complicated game of chess ever, is the first that comes to mind. The reason EVE isn't as mainstream as other games, though, is because it isn't candy. It's got real nutrition. And Salvos, I actually am autistic. I was professionally diagnosed twenty years ago, went through a decade and a half of CBT and drug treatment for comorbidities, and here I am. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

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