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Mona LisaOverdrive	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:01:00 - [1] Quoted from EvE-Online Newsletter "EVE Voice is here Faster than light travel deserves state of the art communication and EVE Voice brings it in a big way. Fully integrated into the EVE Online client, EVE Voice requires no additional download and is built into every player channel, giving easy and secure access to voice communications within EVE without the need for third party applications. We are currently offering a full year of unlimited EVE Voice access for the promotional price of $9.95 USD. EVE subscribers are eligible to receive a free, 30-day trial of the service. CLICK HERE to activate your free EVE Voice trial. (Service requires an active EVE Online account. Game subscription reactivation fees may apply.)" Let's just do the math on this real quick. 40,000 players for $10 runs out to a nice $400,000. Now lets look at a 3rd party VoIP (I'd state which but I don't want to get this post deleted, as it might be considered "advertising".) A server for 50 people is $15 a month. So thats 40,000 divided by 50 comes out to 800. So 800 people need pay that $15 a month which in total equals $144,000 a year. True there are less people paying a higher price but I think its safe to say there are other split financial arrangements between corps and their 3rd party coms. Am I the only one that notices a discrepancy here? Personally, I've run a Ventrilo server in some shape or form for the last four and a half years. It's engraved in my budget as much as my insurance or car payment is. It's my contribution to my Corp. I'm not the most active member due to my schedule recently but this way I feel I am doing all I can. On EvE voice; Many of my fellow Corp memebers have tried it out and a running poll on our forums shows that we will be sticking with a 3rd party server. I'm just wondering where everyone else stands on this. Especially the price. M
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:16:00 - [2] The main reason I find people sticking with cheaper servers is because in an alliance of 1000, you probably only need a teamspeak server for about 150. But with EVE Voice, you pay on a per-account basis, rather than based on how many people you need to support at once. So for example, let's say your Teamspeak server costs 200 dollars per year, a reasonable amount. EVE Voice for the alliance would cost 10,000 dollars a year, 50 times more. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:30:00 - [3] Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:26:16 I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. I can't believe you guys are whining about the price of Eve voice....and its a bad thing that CCP is making profit? Hate to break it to ya...but do you think CCP or any corportation would even offer jack if they merely broke even on profit? snip Be nice - Kreul Intentions
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:30:00 - [4] Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:26:16 I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. I can't believe you guys are whining about the price of Eve voice....and its a bad thing that CCP is making profit? Hate to break it to ya...but do you think CCP or any corportation would even offer jack if they merely broke even on profit? snip Be nice - Kreul Intentions
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:33:00 - [5] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/04/2007 15:30:10 Originally by: Fornacis I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. Let's say someone came up to you and said "You really should buy this Blue Bull drink. It tastes a little bit better, but its 20 times the price." And when you refuse, they rag on you for not buying it. Yes, there are good reasons to buy EVE-Voice, but there are many reasons not to, such as the fact that with the money a large alliance would have to spend to get it, one could buy a nice car --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:33:00 - [6] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 06/04/2007 15:30:10 Originally by: Fornacis I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. Let's say someone came up to you and said "You really should buy this Blue Bull drink. It tastes a little bit better, but its 20 times the price." And when you refuse, they rag on you for not buying it. Yes, there are good reasons to buy EVE-Voice, but there are many reasons not to, such as the fact that with the money a large alliance would have to spend to get it, one could buy a nice car --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:38:00 - [7] It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:38:00 - [8] It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:45:00 - [9] Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:50:56 Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. Exactly. In my rant above I was simply adressing the whiners trying to justify 10 bucks a year.........come on ppl! Just think of all the money we sling around each day in RL. Yes Dark...if someone approached me with a drink to give me a little more buzz, slighty better taste for a few cents more...you're damn right I would buy it. Now if it didn't fit in my drink holder...I would be a tad upset. So, if Eve Voice isn't right for your alliance/corporation then that is up to you to decide, but I think it is hardly to complain about for 10 bucks a year. Sorry for my ... flaming comments ... I'm naturally crazee, and have a temper. No harm meant.
Red Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:49:00 - [10] Theres only one real issue with EVE Voice that really stops me from even considering it. Its integrated in the EVE client! Sure, it makes use/administration easy and relativly secure BUT when (not if) you get a CTD you cant even warn your mates. And as per Murphys Law you can bet it will happen with the worst possible timing.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:51:00 - [11] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 06/04/2007 15:48:40 Originally by: Fornacis Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. Exactly. In my rant above I was simply adressing the whiners trying to justify 10 bucks a year.........come on ppl! Just think of all the money we sling around each day in RL. Yes Dark...if someone approached me with a drink to give me a little more buzz, slighty better taste for a few cents more...you're damn right I would buy it. Now if it didn't fit in my drink holder...I would be a tad upset. So, if Eve Voice isn't right for your alliance/corporation then that is up to you to decide, but I think it is hardly to complain about for 10 bucks a month. Sorry for my ... flaming comments ... I'm naturally crazee, and have a temper. No harm meant. Well, I will DEFINITELY be buying EVE Voice, no matter! Now, if only I can find out how to get access to it through MS Bullsh.. err MS Vista.. Its activated and all in my account setting, but it cant seem to work! Hevk, it does not even look activated. No trace of EVE voice anywhere... Any ideas? Or did CCP integrate Mr. Murphy into the voice too? Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Spaced Skunk D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:54:00 - [12] If say my alliance was going to use eve voice over our current method, it would mean EVERYONE would have to agree to pay it, and it causes hassle, we are ok how we are atm. If EVE Vdoesnt beat ventrillo for sound quality then I am afraid its pointless to me.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:10:00 - [13] Tbh, it's ú5 a year, I could lose that and not be too bothered.
Mona LisaOverdrive	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:14:00 - [14] Originally by: Fornacis Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:26:16 I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. I can't believe you guys are whining about the price of Eve voice....and its a bad thing that CCP is making profit? Hate to break it to ya...but do you think CCP or any corportation would even offer jack if they merely broke even on profit? snip Be nice - Kreul Intentions It's one thing to make a profit. This post wouldn't exist if they were only charging $5. But after looking at the math, in my opinion it's too high. As I stated before my Corp has taken a vote on it, and coupled with thier comments and the few so far on in this thread the quality of the product does not match the asking price. M
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Mona LisaOverdrive Originally by: Fornacis Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:26:16 I drink a RedBullÖ energy drink every morning before work which = 40 bucks a month. I can't believe you guys are whining about the price of Eve voice....and its a bad thing that CCP is making profit? Hate to break it to ya...but do you think CCP or any corportation would even offer jack if they merely broke even on profit? snip Be nice - Kreul Intentions It's one thing to make a profit. This post wouldn't exist if they were only charging $5. But after looking at the math, in my opinion it's too high. As I stated before my Corp has taken a vote on it, and coupled with thier comments and the few so far on in this thread the quality of the product does not match the asking price. M You're aware that it's being developed by a 3rd party? I seriously doubt CCP will see any of this money, infact I imagine they will have negotiated with the developers to make it as cheap as possible, so people aren't put off using it. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. A corp mate cant use Ts either due to the Uni firewall but neither does Eve Voice work through it ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Kiviar Caldari Dirty Sanchez Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:37:00 - [17] It also makes little sense for small groups to use Eve Voice over the alternatives. While Eve Voice would not cost nearly as much as it would for a large alliance, you could easily host a TS server yourself. Free versus not free is a fairly easy choice to make. Also, for the people trapped behind firewalls, when I was in residence way back in first year, all I did to get permission for things to get routed through the firewall was go down and talk to the system administrator. He just asked me what the program was, what ports it needed and then I was set. Maybe people are more paranoid nowadays however, I donÆt know. One time Kiviar and Piccolo fought over who hated the moon more!
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. A corp mate cant use Ts either due to the Uni firewall but neither does Eve Voice work through it Don't take the pss Josh. That's not what I want to hear. Can he use Vent? --- Originally by:* CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Sean Dillon Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:44:00 - [19] Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. Some people seem to forget that they already pay 150$ a year, if someone has more accounts that quickly becomes 300$ for 2 accounts or 450$ a year for 3 accounts. For me that seems like an awefull lot already. I dont feel anything to pay anymore then that. For that 150$ a year I can do a ****load of other things, buy 3 very expensive or 10 other computer games on budget. Whenever you see a corp or alliance recruitment post, they all have vent or teamspeak. vivox for me is not worth it. If you have a fleet of 200 people, 25% of them has vivox, then how are you supposed to lead the gang when only 25% can listen? Vivox was never needed, and ccp only implented to show that they can implant it in an MMORPG thats all. Not even worth the 10$ a year for me.
Erfnam Time Cube Syndicate Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:48:00 - [20] It would be nice if eve-voice wasn't bound to the client. I can only imagine how irritating it will be for people to have to disconnect from a chat if they log in an alt. Capital Sales
glennkari Gallente Lions Club	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:53:00 - [21] Originally by: Fornacis Edited by: Fornacis on 06/04/2007 15:50:56 Originally by: Marquis Dean It's $10. A year. A YEAR. I can't use TeamSpeak (university firewall), so i'll be encouraging everyone else to get it so I can actually participate in this game's PvP. Exactly. In my rant above I was simply adressing the whiners trying to justify 10 bucks a year.........come on ppl! Just think of all the money we sling around each day in RL. Yes Dark...if someone approached me with a drink to give me a little more buzz, slighty better taste for a few cents more...you're damn right I would buy it. Now if it didn't fit in my drink holder...I would be a tad upset. So, if Eve Voice isn't right for your alliance/corporation then that is up to you to decide, but I think it is hardly to complain about for 10 bucks a year. Sorry for my ... flaming comments ... I'm naturally crazee, and have a temper. No harm meant. I think the point of this thread is that its not 'just a few cents' more than what ppl have access to today. Also using vivox and having more then 1 account the price goes up fast unless the other accounts never gets used solo.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:54:00 - [22] What EVE Voice needs is something like a corporate account of some kind. Whoever is a CEO or Director can purchase it for something like $15 a month and it provides EvE Voice to their entire corporation. If you introduce some economy of scale like you find with TS/Ventrilio servers you'll see alot more people using it. Comeon devs, you know you need this! <sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig>
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Dark Shikari The main reason I find people sticking with cheaper servers is because in an alliance of 1000, you probably only need a teamspeak server for about 150. But with EVE Voice, you pay on a per-account basis, rather than based on how many people you need to support at once. So for example, let's say your Teamspeak server costs 200 dollars per year, a reasonable amount. EVE Voice for the alliance would cost 10,000 dollars a year, 50 times more. Perfectly on the spot. It doesnt matter if 10$ for eve-voice per year is nothing to you, or you think anyone should be able to pay it. But to use something more expensive over a cheaper solution, it would have to have advantages. I fail to see those over TS/Vent compared to whats missing from it.
Raine Albus Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:06:00 - [24] Its not alot at all, and if it helps fund CCP to make EVE better then its worth it. Raine
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:17:00 - [25] Originally by: Raine Albus Its not alot at all, and if it helps fund CCP to make EVE better then its worth it. Raine The money goes to the 3rd party corporation who runs Vivox, not CCP. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:23:00 - [26] One of the other problems is that you need to subscribe per account, so most people with multiple characters will end up paying 20, 30, or 40 per year just so they can play with voice on multiple characters. Also, if you are using voice on only one account, but are playing with two or more at a time, you will have to alt tab back to the voice enabled client every time you want to talk. ________________________________ KIA Recruitment
Xs 142	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:49:00 - [27] Edited by: Xs 142 on 06/04/2007 17:46:12 I still fai to see why EVE Voice would be better than TS/Vent No matter what you won't be tossed out of the server when EvE crashes, you will with EVE Voice Also, we run a server ourselves with TS (Me being the one providing a 10/10mb line) which doesn't do much for my total bandwith.. So why pay ten bucks a year for something that's free....? Edit: That being ten bucks per PERSON vs free. Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:02:00 - [28] Guys, its an option.... There are many (primarily) small corps without the technical know-how, dedication or funding to host a TS or Ventrillo server. Its one thing to say "I can host a 50 player XX server for $25.90 a month" compared to "EvE Voice costs ME $.75 a month". I personally can't swing an additional 25 a month (don't need to, I have access to a TS server for free) but I CAN swing 75 cents as can everyone I play with. Will it displace TS or Ventrillo? Of course not, especially on a larger scale. Is it of value? Yes. Am I buying it? No, I don't need it. If I did would I? Yes. Options don't hurt. At least in this case CCP used an external architecture instead of writing it themselves and putting the load on their already over-taxed server farm. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Mona LisaOverdrive	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:05:00 - [29] Originally by: glennkari I think the point of this thread is that its not 'just a few cents' more than what ppl have access to today. Also using vivox and having more then 1 account the price goes up fast unless the other accounts never gets used solo. Hit the nail on the head. Thanks for everyones contribution. The Corp subscription idea seems promising. But now that I've learned the service is infact controlled by a 3rd party, it seems that a modification to their current contract with CCP is unlikely. M
Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:09:00 - [30] Edited by: Fracking Beach on 06/04/2007 18:06:05 I think another big issue with EVE Voice is that if you have multiple accounts, you would have to enable voice PER ACCOUNT - regardless of the fact that (most) multi-account owners would not be using those two EVE voice setups at same time. I'll stick to vent + ts thank you. EDIT: sorry, didn't notice jbob allready mentioned the same issue.

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