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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2017.02.21 02:29:35 -
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maybe they should give perma-criminal status to every idiot making even more idiotic suggestions like yours goducko... EVE would definitely be a better place then
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27719
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Posted - 2017.02.21 02:30:58 -
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goducko musagumba wrote:translation? the gankers are pirates - they flash red after the first gank. and stay that way. Do you think that would bother them? Think again.
For gankers being flashy red is a badge of honour; most are quite happy to operate with -5 to -10 sec status.
Your suggestion shows ignorance of the mechanics in play, underestimates the target audience and more importantly, changes absolutely nothing whatsoever in terms of how much ganking will occur.
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3254
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Posted - 2017.02.21 08:05:48 -
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The thought of a thirty day suspect timer makes me moister than an oyster. Sometimes it's hard to go flashy yellow, especially when there's warybears in abundance.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3816
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Posted - 2017.02.21 10:03:00 -
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goducko musagumba wrote:translation? the gankers are pirates - they flash red after the first gank. and stay that way. This is undoubtedly one of the worst ideas I've heard and it is game breaking. Do you know how many newbeans experiment with the safety settings in their first days??? I don't know about anybody else but if I got locked out of highsec for 30 days and not just 15 mins for that experiement I would not have continued playing. Go back and rethink your idea (actually scrap it) and come back with something that wouldn't outright destroy eve by strangling off it's new player base
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Kaely Tanniss
OMGWTFBBQTIME I Know Right
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Posted - 2017.02.21 10:07:01 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:goducko musagumba wrote:translation? the gankers are pirates - they flash red after the first gank. and stay that way. This is undoubtedly one of the worst ideas I've heard and it is game breaking. Do you know how many newbeans experiment with the safety settings in their first days??? I don't know about anybody else but if I got locked out of highsec for 30 days and not just 15 mins for that experiement I would not have continued playing. Go back and rethink your idea (actually scrap it) and come back with something that wouldn't outright destroy eve by strangling off it's new player base
I second this..poorly thought out, if any thought at all was given to it..
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Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
41
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Posted - 2017.02.21 11:14:52 -
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goducko musagumba wrote:Oh, sorry, - I forgot YOU get to tell ccp what they should and shouldnt do. and your friends in code threw me a bounty - LOL
Some people gank gankers scouts and there is the option to gank the bumper, your idea would make this a bit more painful. The one we thought best without screwing the game over was no access to NPC stations for -10 characters, forcing the use of Citadels and thus enabling a strategy of forcing citadel owners to exclude them, thereby forcing the gankers to have to run their own which they do, but more importantly giving real strategic reasons to blow them up and creating content and perhaps more muscular hisec entities.
But anyway.... |
Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3255
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Posted - 2017.02.21 11:39:43 -
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aside from the reasons listed I'll simply add that my hobby requires me to be suspect to get any hot blaster sexytime going on. usually this is accomplished by liberating a metal scrap or two, or dry humping someone's space dumpster. People who're wise to this kind of activity will often set their wrecks to blue and/or scoop the dumpster up as soon as someone lands in their pocket. This means working for that sweet sweet loving.
The notion of a 30 day suspect timer would eliminate all that work, making things much easier for me. Worse for others, it would also create uncontrolled suspect hijinks. I know this may sound weird, but most people don't shoot the flashy guy unprovoked. The ones who do tend to fall into two categories. The first is of course other violent minded folks, who really do constitute a tiny minority of the population in high sec. The other is those pilots who do not know any better. Nooblets. Younglings. Spots on their fur and velvet on their cute little button antlers. In other words, targets I would generally ignore because there's usually little profit in sploding them... but if I'm engaged by them you can bet your last isk I'm gonna give em the badtouch.
So yeah, think of the children man. THE CHILDREN!
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
944
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Posted - 2017.02.21 12:18:33 -
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Lucas Lucias wrote:goducko musagumba wrote:Oh, sorry, - I forgot YOU get to tell ccp what they should and shouldnt do. and your friends in code threw me a bounty - LOL Some people gank gankers scouts and there is the option to gank the bumper, your idea would make this a bit more painful. The one we thought best without screwing the game over was no access to NPC stations for -10 characters, forcing the use of Citadels and thus enabling a strategy of forcing citadel owners to exclude them, thereby forcing the gankers to have to run their own which they do, but more importantly giving real strategic reasons to blow them up and creating content and perhaps more muscular hisec entities. But anyway.... you seem to forget not only highsec gankers are -10.0 toons
it'll be a coding nightmare to restrict access to -10 in HS but not in LS or npc null ;) but I bet you thought about that hmm?
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.21 12:23:00 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Lucas Lucias wrote:goducko musagumba wrote:Oh, sorry, - I forgot YOU get to tell ccp what they should and shouldnt do. and your friends in code threw me a bounty - LOL Some people gank gankers scouts and there is the option to gank the bumper, your idea would make this a bit more painful. The one we thought best without screwing the game over was no access to NPC stations for -10 characters, forcing the use of Citadels and thus enabling a strategy of forcing citadel owners to exclude them, thereby forcing the gankers to have to run their own which they do, but more importantly giving real strategic reasons to blow them up and creating content and perhaps more muscular hisec entities. But anyway.... you seem to forget not only highsec gankers are -10.0 toons it'll be a coding nightmare to restrict access to -10 in HS but not in LS or npc null ;) but I bet you thought about that hmm?
Why would an if/then statement be a nightmare to code. The variables and gets already have to be in place given that concord, the flagging system, mission rewards, and security hits already take system security into consideration.
I'm not saying I agree with restricting access, but I do not think coding it would be that overly difficult. |
1Lt Aldo Raine
The Inglourious Bastards
37
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:58:45 -
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I agree with my esteemed colleague, Dracvlad.
Also, the absolute best way (and possibly only way) to help fight ganking is to get involved in that fight.
Get yourself to the anti-ganking channel. Roll a anti-ganker alt, start training in ECM, and sign up for the High Sec Militia. |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2510
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Posted - 2017.02.22 19:48:38 -
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Just bump the bumping mach - that's the best plan. Don't wait for the mach to start bumping something either. If you see a mach loitering on a Niarja gate - start bumping it. Bump bump bump. Then bump some more.
It's easy, no sec status hits and it will drive them crazy.
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
You guys are making this way to difficult. The ECM burst route is a big hassle and code can drag your ECM alts to -10 in no time. Then you have to work their sec status up OR risk the alt recycling route (not advisable).
bump bump bump |
Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
47
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Posted - 2017.02.22 20:07:03 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Just bump the bumping mach - that's the best plan. Don't wait for the mach to start bumping something either. If you see a mach loitering on a Niarja gate - start bumping it. Bump bump bump. Then bump some more.
It's easy, no sec status hits and it will drive them crazy.
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
You guys are making this way to difficult. The ECM burst route is a big hassle and code can drag your ECM alts to -10 in no time. Then you have to work their sec status up OR risk the alt recycling route (not advisable).
bump bump bump
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1Lt Aldo Raine
The Inglourious Bastards
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:03:43 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Just bump the bumping mach - that's the best plan. Don't wait for the mach to start bumping something either. If you see a mach loitering on a Niarja gate - start bumping it. Bump bump bump. Then bump some more.
It's easy, no sec status hits and it will drive them crazy.
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
You guys are making this way to difficult. The ECM burst route is a big hassle and code can drag your ECM alts to -10 in no time. Then you have to work their sec status up OR risk the alt recycling route (not advisable).
bump bump bump
I don't want to hijack the thread. But your absolutely right. Counter bumping works, and we have some sweet videos to prove it. That being said there is a time and a place for different tactics. The human shields that Jason was using, we've found a solution to it, and recycling is not it.
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Sasha Nemtsov
New Order Logistics CODE.
490
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Posted - 2017.02.22 22:24:44 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
Hi Serendipity; although the Machariel isn't a fantastically long train, the Highsec carebear-would-be-anti-gankers are not going to divert 'valuable' training time away from their mining yield-focused efforts.
As usual, they'll leave it to someone else - the dedicated anti-ganker, no doubt; and there seem to be pitifully few of those around. This is no doubt because, unlike Code Enforcement, anti-ganking as a profession poses a singularly unattractive prospect to someone looking for meaningful gameplay with a reasonable chance of success.
How about using a re-purposed Orca? |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2513
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Posted - 2017.02.23 14:43:47 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
Hi Serendipity; although the Machariel isn't a fantastically long train, the Highsec carebear-would-be-anti-gankers are not going to divert 'valuable' training time away from their mining yield-focused efforts. As usual, they'll leave it to someone else - the dedicated anti-ganker, no doubt; and there seem to be pitifully few of those around. This is no doubt because, unlike Code Enforcement, anti-ganking as a profession poses a singularly unattractive prospect to someone looking for meaningful gameplay with a reasonable chance of success. How about using a re-purposed Orca?
I'm just putting tools in the box. I don't really care if anyone uses them.
True story, one of my guys (probably a year and a half back) was transporting way too much stuff in an orca. A mach got on to him in niarja and started bumping him. Lucky for him he was not afk and was on comms. He alerted us (the rest of the corp) and we dropped everything and started burning to his aid. I think our closest out route (we be wh folk) was a LS 20 or so jumps out. We brought what we could and after 20 minutes from the 'help me help me!' call - we got him on his way safely. What we learned. Once bumping starts no amount of webbing can get the guy into warp if the bumping mach pilot has any skill at all. We had up to 10 webs on the guy (several of which were 90% via ship bonus and all of which were faction). I won't bore anyone w/ the mechanics details and why webs just don't work once the bumping is in progress - it doesn't. So, when webbing proved useless we turned to bumping the mach. We didn't have bumping machs to counter (why would we??). What we had were a collection of frigates and huggins. We turned to the bumping mach and started hammering away at it. As a few posts above pointed out, there where quite a few misses. We finally got a bump on him while he was turning and the tables turned instantly as he became the beach ball and we became the players carelessly tossing him across the way. Just that one good bump to get him going and we owned him. Our orca pilot was on his way and we threw a few salutes in local and that was that.
I don't expect most corps to perform as above. To be fair, wh folk are forever bumping each other off of wh to prevent jump through (advanced non K-space pvp doesn't have aggression timers on wh - it's a different sort of timer involved), so bumping folks out of wh jump range is pretty common. In general, we're pretty good at it do to lots of practice. I would wager the average k-space corp doesn't have the experience, so mach bumping may not be as easy for them.
Summary - bumping works. Mach bumping works. If folks just as a normal practice bumped any mach loitering on a gate or in the process of bumping something big - Eve would be a great place. In my ideal Eve everyone passing through a gate and seeing a mach would give it a bump or two. Anyone seeing a mach bumping a freighter/orca/whatever would join in the bumping for a few minutes (and I don't care who they bump, just get involved a bit). Many great relationships both in and out of Eve have begun with a simple bump. Everyone should give it a go from time to time.
To the gates lads - bump bump bump. It gets easier as you get experience at it. |
Lucas Lucias
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
47
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Posted - 2017.02.24 16:10:48 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
Hi Serendipity; although the Machariel isn't a fantastically long train, the Highsec carebear-would-be-anti-gankers are not going to divert 'valuable' training time away from their mining yield-focused efforts. As usual, they'll leave it to someone else - the dedicated anti-ganker, no doubt; and there seem to be pitifully few of those around. This is no doubt because, unlike Code Enforcement, anti-ganking as a profession poses a singularly unattractive prospect to someone looking for meaningful gameplay with a reasonable chance of success. How about using a re-purposed Orca? I'm just putting tools in the box. I don't really care if anyone uses them. True story, one of my guys (probably a year and a half back) was transporting way too much stuff in an orca. A mach got on to him in niarja and started bumping him. Lucky for him he was not afk and was on comms. He alerted us (the rest of the corp) and we dropped everything and started burning to his aid. I think our closest out route (we be wh folk) was a LS 20 or so jumps out. We brought what we could and after 20 minutes from the 'help me help me!' call - we got him on his way safely. What we learned. Once bumping starts no amount of webbing can get the guy into warp if the bumping mach pilot has any skill at all. We had up to 10 webs on the guy (several of which were 90% via ship bonus and all of which were faction). I won't bore anyone w/ the mechanics details and why webs just don't work once the bumping is in progress - it doesn't. So, when webbing proved useless we turned to bumping the mach. We didn't have bumping machs to counter (why would we??). What we had were a collection of frigates and huggins. We turned to the bumping mach and started hammering away at it. As a few posts above pointed out, there where quite a few misses. We finally got a bump on him while he was turning and the tables turned instantly as he became the beach ball and we became the players carelessly tossing him across the way. Just that one good bump to get him going and we owned him. Our orca pilot was on his way and we threw a few salutes in local and that was that. I don't expect most corps to perform as above. To be fair, wh folk are forever bumping each other off of wh to prevent jump through (advanced non K-space pvp doesn't have aggression timers on wh - it's a different sort of timer involved), so bumping folks out of wh jump range is pretty common. In general, we're pretty good at it do to lots of practice. I would wager the average k-space corp doesn't have the experience, so mach bumping may not be as easy for them. Summary - bumping works. Mach bumping works. If folks just as a normal practice bumped any mach loitering on a gate or in the process of bumping something big - Eve would be a great place. In my ideal Eve everyone passing through a gate and seeing a mach would give it a bump or two. Anyone seeing a mach bumping a freighter/orca/whatever would join in the bumping for a few minutes (and I don't care who they bump, just get involved a bit). Many great relationships both in and out of Eve have begun with a simple bump. Everyone should give it a go from time to time. To the gates lads - bump bump bump. It gets easier as you get experience at it.
Good post would read again, actually I did. |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
86
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Posted - 2017.02.26 02:17:43 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:
Get a few of your own machs, fit for bumping and have at it. BUMP BUMP BUMP.
Hi Serendipity; although the Machariel isn't a fantastically long train, the Highsec carebear-would-be-anti-gankers are not going to divert 'valuable' training time away from their mining yield-focused efforts. As usual, they'll leave it to someone else - the dedicated anti-ganker, no doubt; and there seem to be pitifully few of those around. This is no doubt because, unlike Code Enforcement, anti-ganking as a profession poses a singularly unattractive prospect to someone looking for meaningful gameplay with a reasonable chance of success. How about using a re-purposed Orca? ... I'm just putting tools in the box. I don't really care if anyone uses them. I don't expect most corps to perform as above. To be fair, wh folk are forever bumping each other off of wh to prevent jump through (advanced non K-space pvp doesn't have aggression timers on wh - it's a different sort of timer involved), so bumping folks out of wh jump range is pretty common. In general, we're pretty good at it do to lots of practice. I would wager the average k-space corp doesn't have the experience, so mach bumping may not be as easy for them. ... I don't think you're aware how much more advanced your understanding of this game is from the average high-sec pubbie. |
BJBee 9999
Suddenly Seamen. A Naval Charity
0
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Posted - 2017.02.26 02:57:07 -
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wow, do you guys hate kids?
we are ganking for kids and you going on and doing that! wow, you are very bad people. |
Lawrence Lawton
The Conference Elite CODE.
75
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Posted - 2017.02.26 20:50:56 -
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There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. |
Keno Skir
1343
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Posted - 2017.03.07 17:25:41 -
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OP : You and all your little anti ganking friends don't enough ISK to have a meaningful effect of the mineral market in Hisec so stop pretending. Using the forums to make yoru organization appear bigger and better organized than it really is makes you a bit like CODE. except they do it in an interesting way
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2017.03.08 04:36:44 -
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Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here.
shut up...code is dead...move on already.
code ALWAYS LOSES.
Dead, gone and soon to be forgotten.
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Baexx
Highsec Protecting Agency
0
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Posted - 2017.03.09 20:13:25 -
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Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already.
New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why.
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Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1016
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Posted - 2017.03.09 20:45:50 -
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Baexx wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already. New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why. How's your "we will buy every minerals in every hub thing doing?
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3875
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Posted - 2017.03.09 21:29:22 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Baexx wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already. New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why. How's your "we will buy every minerals in every hub thing doing? As well as predicted if market data is anything to go off. And by predicted I mean predicted by the 'trolls'
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Baexx
Highsec Protecting Agency
0
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Posted - 2017.03.10 06:25:53 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Baexx wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already. New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why. How's your "we will buy every minerals in every hub thing doing?
The miners in New Eden is a bit safer now, and that is a milestone. |
Dom Arkaral
The Conference Elite CODE.
1016
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Posted - 2017.03.10 10:24:46 -
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Baexx wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Baexx wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already. New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why. How's your "we will buy every minerals in every hub thing doing? The miners in New Eden is a bit safer now, and that is a milestone. How so? Lmao
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Keno Skir
1356
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Posted - 2017.03.10 10:53:19 -
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Baexx wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:Baexx wrote:Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Lawrence Lawton wrote:There are many excellent counters for bumping and ganking. Most of them require being prepared and having a support network. Carebears who play EVE like a solo game fail here. shut up...code is dead...move on already. New Eden is quite remarkable nowdays, i wonder why. How's your "we will buy every minerals in every hub thing doing? The miners in New Eden is a bit safer now, and that is a milestone.
Wut? No they aren't you've done nothing aside from squawk on the forums
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
3735
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Posted - 2017.03.10 18:30:12 -
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It's the old AG strategy of just pretending CODE. is dead. Works only until you undock your Hulk.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2017.03.11 00:02:56 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:It's the old AG strategy of just pretending CODE. is dead. Works only until you undock your Hulk. Been afk mining ALL day. code is dead shut up already loser
code ALWAYS LOSES.
Dead, gone and soon to be forgotten.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
28003
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Posted - 2017.03.11 01:03:46 -
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Hazel TuckerTS wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:It's the old AG strategy of just pretending CODE. is dead. Works only until you undock your Hulk. Been afk mining ALL day. code is dead shut up already loser You've already admitted that your claims to afk mining are a lie elsewhere.
You keep repeating the same tired old shtick and to be frank, it's 'king boring. Kindly fornicate in the general direction of off to a venue more suited to your obviously limited talent, Reddit for example.
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