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Querns
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:52:14 -
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As little as it actually had to do with the Incident In Question, I have to agree that giving the PANIC module the same debuff as the Networked Sensor Array towards ewar is probably a wise idea. They'll still be considerably powerful while in PANIC as a remote rep and neuting platform while invincible, but not literally invincible hard tackle.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:03:05 -
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Thinking on it, perhaps we should approach this from a different angle. If we're going to allow invincible tackle, can we please allow Heavy Interdictors to receive remote reps while activating their Warp Disruption Field Generators? Otherwise, we're completely obsoleting a subcap with the rorqual, and that seems unfair.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:24:23 -
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Lucas Quaan wrote:SidewinderFang wrote:Raivi showing favouritism to his old Alliance once again. I don't think you have seen our mining fleets. We just accept that this change was probably needed to reel in the crazy instead of crying about it on the forums.
Your mining fleets are positively adorable. :sun:
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:25:36 -
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For what it's worth, I pretty much agree that a rorqual mining nerf was needed. I just take issue with jump hictors,.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:27:59 -
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Also, apropos to the actual mining nerf, could we increase the speed of excavators?
The primary method of mining with a rorqual is to siege right on top of the rock, because of the abysmal speed of excavators. If the drones were faster, it wouldn't be necessary to do this quite as much, and it wouldn't positively affect yield a whole lot.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:53:55 -
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Gobbins wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:bpos have always been untouchable while building and researching unless you were a goddamned idiot gobbins I thought to get the super fast research from a POS module you had to put the bpo in the module. I know you could do it remotely before and then they had changed that. If I got that wrong my bad.
This is correct. However, if you were paying attention, you could cancel the research and scoop the BPO inside the 24h wardec timer, ensuring it did not come to harm.
The implementation of ECs actually ensures that jobs won't be cancelled, as there's no advantage to doing so, thanks to the BPO always entering asset safety. This means there's actually an incentive to hunt ECs with the drops of job materials (or even finished products!) without giving the producer a pressing incentive to cancel jobs.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:58:05 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Klavas wrote:It amazes me that you see an issue with null sec mining rates yet see no issue with invulnerable neuting hictors that can jump 10LY.
How does leaving that mechanic in place help game play? Man, it's as if GSF members are mailed talking points every morning to spout en masse on the forums.
It's adorable that you guys think that THIS is some sort of notable amount of posting. It's positively restrained.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:15:36 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:eiedu wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:... - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
... Would you share with us why a 32% reduction was chosen as opposed to something like 20%? Is there any math behind it? Yes, there is math behind that! 145% * 68% = 99% The Rorqual was initially announced to have a yield of ~18400 m3 per minute. Someone forgot to put mining augmentor rigs on it, which boosted the yield by 45.475% to 29,226m3 per minute. Reducing it by 32% "cancels out" the rigs and brings it down to 19,873 m3 per minute (~10% discrepancy, probably mining drone spec?) Things tend to need a "nerf" when you tell your economy guys to run a number, then overshoot it by 50%.
This is either an amazing consequence, or the actual reason. Well spotted!
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 21:36:52 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:
Seriously though, I used to respect Goons.
Found the lie.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.08 00:47:15 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:
Here's the thing - I was one of the Rorq pilots on the D-W beacon
"I'm one of the most prolific abusers of this mechanic, so let me tell you why it's not abuse"
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.08 12:13:08 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:Querns wrote:Tarsas Phage wrote:
Here's the thing - I was one of the Rorq pilots on the D-W beacon
"I'm one of the most prolific abusers of this mechanic, so let me tell you why it's not abuse" It's certainly a more informed vantage point than 99% of GSF who are just parroting the company line. In the mean time, keep jumping your ratting-fit supers into PVP situations whose only hope is to kill the thing tackling it if things go south. Damn, if I can't be more obvious about what the counter is, I'm not sure even CCP can help you. The real irony is that the NPCs you live among have it down better than you.
Silly me, thinking you should be able to kill a tackling ship.
But, hey, I'm sure that four heavy scram, three staggered heavy cap booster rorquals with nos are very neutable, ahyuck.
You seem awfully focused on the fit of the wyvern. Why is that? This is 2016; supercarriers are for ratting.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.08 16:26:50 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:
Indeed, they are. I wish I had been frap'ing my screen during that drop, because you would be able to see that running 5 HWDs and 3 links, having to spank the capital MWD to stop from getting flung out by dreads spawning and insta-sieging inside me, that capacitor management was absolutely key and a struggle to maintain. At several points I had to stop running all my HWDs and run only a few in order to maintain just a sliver of cap to keep the links on. Only a scant few heavy neuts would have caused me real problems in terms of keeping adequate tackle... certainly enough for a super or titan to escape.
But no, those heavy neuts didn't happen - because according to you guys the high slots on a super are home to only 3 modules and never any others. I'm both surprised and not surprised that I'm having to explain this - but much like the GSF member near the end of Jay's video who said "lol we rekt them", there seems to be a distinct lack of clue as to what's really going on.
Then don't cry when they start hitting the floor in non-ratting situations?
The other supers which died were marginally better fitted for suddenly PVP, however judging from the contents of their cargo and fleet hangars, one sees that The Goon is still very much behind the curve on using them usefully in combat overall. Much like the debate within GSF to stay shield or go armor, some myopic decisions have been made to ensure that their super pilots are survivable or, at least, ready to be so.
Seems like you shouldn't have been running the links, then, and fit for more cap, while bringing the links on dedicated (or at least less cap hungry) auxiliary rorquals.
None of this changes the fact that jump hictors are overpowered and need to be nerfed. I'll "cry" less about losing supers when you and yours stop crying about losing your overpowered toys.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.08 16:36:44 -
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but hey tell me more about running unbonused armor links for a ship with 84,000 EHP in armor
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.08 17:56:35 -
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Some things that could be done to mitigate the awful quality of this thread:
* Briefly explain the reasoning behind the rorqual yield reduction. If the reason is indeed that the capital drone mining rigs weren't taken into account, then I think most people will be okay with that. We may rib you a little for forgetting it, but it's at least consistent and unbiased. That counts for a lot.
* Make a statement about PANIC and electronic warfare. I and others realize that the December patch is on Tuesday, and between that and the imminent holiday season, it's highly unlikely that any change would actually occur until 2017. That being said, a statement affirming the intent to nerf the "jump hictor" would do a lot to quell the bad reactions going on.
Obviously, I, as well as my confederates in Goonswarm Federation, would prefer to have mega-yield crok-sucking Rorquals, but if logic and reasoning are used to explain things, we would have little remaining ground to protest.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.09 01:23:56 -
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Tarsas Phage wrote:
CPRs might work against your daily nemesis the Blood Raiders
This statement is funny, because you and yours are shooting more rats per member on a given day these days than your meatshield.
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