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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:46:53 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks!
It needed a yield nerf, though I likely would have gone with a somewhat more conservative number.
It boggles the mind that the unadulterated idiocy of invulnerable ewar somehow warrants a wait-and-see approach, though.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2828
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:11:44 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. You'll probably also have noticed that mining activity in nullsec is waaaaay down, except for a very few select regions (and guess who's sitting there?). Compare the stats of October and November if you don't believe me. Was that also a design goal?
As noted in the November economic report, logging of drone mining yield was broken, so that's probably not a very good comparison.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2828
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:24:46 -
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nm Kain wrote:It's pretty clear that everyone is against the kind of nerf you are planning... CCP at it's finest. This is absolutely disgusting. 32% is far too much.
...no? It's not clear that everyone is against it. I'd have probably started at 20-25%, given the power to wield the nerfbat, but that's more of a quibble than opposition.
I mostly just find it bizarre that, while the mining yield of a mining ship is getting a nerf (needed or not), the literally-invulnerable scram ability of a mining ship is something they want to watch "evolve".
Off label uses are fun and good, but it's a strange divergence from the normal paradigm of "No counterplay = bad".
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:43:35 -
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nm Kain wrote:
It's because they cannot have an intelligent conversation. Trolls will be trolls.
Indeed. Signs of intelligent conversation include:
-Blatantly lying about community consensus.
-Dramatic invective.
-Threatening to take your ball and go home.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2829
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:56:10 -
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Captain Torlek wrote: i do not agree that the economy is in a good state. i feel that eve is suffering from an inflation problem.
the income in this game has either remained static or reduced over the past 6 years meanwhile inflation seems to have increased.
Perhaps you can expand on this, citing various elements from the monthly economic report.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 18:24:10 -
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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues wrote:TigerXtrm wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:- Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
1. Awww =( Objectively it's needed but still awwwwwwww! 2. I'm honestly surprised no-one saw this issue coming from a mile away. Good change. Most people did see it coming. 32% in absolute terms is a large nerf, but if you are starting from a huge number to begin with then its not that big is it.
He was talking about the drone AI change, which should have been an obvious incoming change even before it was loudly telegraphed by the economic report.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2833
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Posted - 2016.12.07 18:57:16 -
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Rexxen Darkbrew wrote: Screw a 1/3 cut in possible income with a 10-15b ship that is stuck for 5 minutes in siege...
The thing making it a "10-15b ship" right now is the cost of the excavators, which is also being adjusted, so that's sort of a hollow argument.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:10:29 -
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Xennos Octavian wrote:
For the high-risk nature of Low and Null-Sec, is such a reduction in mining yields really necessary?
Forget all of this Battle-Of-the-Secses business for a minute.
Do you honestly think the current rate of Rorqual mining, and the resulting increase in the mineral supply, would be a good thing for the game, long term?
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:59:48 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
What does that even mean?
For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH?
What would it be once adjusted for this nerf?
What about for high sec mining?
Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2833
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:10:32 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
What does that even mean? For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH? What would it be once adjusted for this nerf? What about for high sec mining? Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here. Man, you sure love asking rhetoric questions, do you?
A rhetorical question is asked with no expectation of an answer. I'm actually looking for numbers, here.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:35:26 -
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Market PLLS wrote:https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/
Nice rebalance ...
You couldn't possibly present a less relevant point.
Some Rorquals died. So the **** what?
How many didn't die? What's the net mining intake Vs. loss?
What's the average loss-per-flight-hour of Rorquals?
Oh, wait. You can't answer any of that because all you know is that some Rorquals died, which, absent any further context, tells you that Rorquals are being flown and little else.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:59:19 -
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Ascenity wrote:Wait, so in the expansion you gave us a change that made the Risk >>>>>>>> Reward,
Yeah, you can tell the risk vastly exceeds the rewards because absolutely nobody is using Rorquals at all anymore.
That's why they need a nerf - lack of use due to insufficient reward:risk ratio.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.08 06:32:11 -
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Prince Mariarty wrote:You just kidding me! I spend lot of buyed plexes to train my 11 rorquals! Builds lot of excavators! and now you nerf my investments and incom! WHY??? WHY CCP SO F..... STU.... ?
Someone is shocked to discover that the flavor of the month is sometimes literally the flavor of the month.
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