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Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.04.07 23:50:00 - [1] Minni/Galletean Faction frig Special Ability: 25% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage Minmatar Frigate Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret damage per level Gallente Frigate Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Small Projectile Turret tracking speed per level Seeing as alot of people may not have seen one of these I'll post its stats 5 High slots, 2 Turret, 3 launchers 2 mid slots 3 low 125 CPU 35 PG Honestly...Im at a loss as to how to fit it and dont wanna try till I at least get some good ideas :) Tried fitting a Daredevil couple days ago found it hard as hell, Faction frigs have their advantages but bein so different makes'em hard as hell fit and the CPU and powergrid are dam restrictive =/ Plus so need this thread added to the Ship fittings list as couldnt find one there at all (or im blind which is possible) :insert cool signature here:
Imechal Ravpeim International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:11:00 - [2] That's a ****ed up frigate... 3 bonuses to 2 of the 5 high slots? I'd sell it or keep it as a trophy. I don't know what to do with it at all, a rifter could probably beat it...
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:12:00 - [3] The Dramiel used to be the most expensive non-special frig in the game, they traded for 55mil when I joined last May. I dunno why, maybe they've been nerfed since then. --- Originally by: CCP Sharkbait will explain when i have the time i promise
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:15:00 - [4] Originally by: Marquis Dean The Dramiel used to be the most expensive non-special frig in the game, they traded for 55mil when I joined last May. I dunno why, maybe they've been nerfed since then. Rarity. Its a stylish ships to die in. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:43:00 - [5] Edited by: Saint Lazarus on 08/04/2007 01:42:45 Dramiel is the sexiest looking ship in game. END OF =p and you'd be dam lucky find one for less than 70 mil one now, this was the last one left in Jita, hell the whole region, only 2 left in contracts now, one of which is in 0.0 space and selling for 75 mil I think. Sorry 3 left. :insert cool signature here:
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.08 01:50:00 - [6] trying to remember.... 2 280 II & 3 domi gyro's should give you like a 25-30 damage mod per gun depending on your skills. hard as hell to come up with an actual effective, well rounded, combat fit, as with many faction ships daredevil on the other hand is easy to fit. has the midslots and an insane capacitor w/ MWD making it ideal tackler
Saint Lazarus	Posted - 2007.04.08 02:40:00 - [7] Originally by: HankMurphy trying to remember.... 2 280 II & 3 domi gyro's should give you like a 25-30 damage mod per gun depending on your skills. hard as hell to come up with an actual effective, well rounded, combat fit, as with many faction ships daredevil on the other hand is easy to fit. has the midslots and an insane capacitor w/ MWD making it ideal tackler Had the Daredevil but it just dosent look as cool... Hell we're talking faction frigs, they're just toys really fun to have but would like to be able to pull it out once in awhile and take out at least another frig =/ Thanks for the idea anyway I'll keep at it, but yah the MWD rocks on the Devil hehe :insert cool signature here:
Drazin DawnTreader The Elear	Posted - 2007.04.08 21:29:00 - [8] Dramiel works well with a Passive shield tank setup. I -think- mine is set up like: 2x 200mm AC II 3x Arby Rocket 1x AB II 1x Med. Extender II 3x SPR Alternatively... Dump the SPR's and Med Extender and use the best Shield booster you can find and put 2 gyro's and a DC in lows. Fitting is tight as always.
Gladiator Jonny	Posted - 2007.04.08 21:55:00 - [9] its probabily not what you want to hear, but the ship is next to useless. my daredevil has more use, but thats only as a tackler so heres what i think you should do: as its a show-off ship do as i did just spend several hundred mills on faction fittings, have a giggle flying it then get bored and leave it in your hanger "this is not a flame or anything in that sort of manner, its just the only reason other than tackling to use a faction frig"
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:50:00 - [10] My best guess would be to capatilize on the speed. 2x 150mm ac 3x arby std launcher 1x cold gas mwd (t2 if you have cpu) 1x disruptor 2 1x Istab 1x overdrive 1x BCU/fitting mod/overdrive Dunno if thatd fit but it should, be wasting all your bonuses though Just fly it like a Crow I guess, tbh this ship make NO sense to me though.
Silpher The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:46:00 - [11] Edited by: Silpher on 02/07/2007 11:52:09 Edited by: Silpher on 02/07/2007 11:47:28 Faction frigates are only flown sufficiently with well rounded, multi-racial, multi-weapon frigate skills combined with good understanding of their roles and experience in flying frigates. It can still be flown effectively without exceptional skills, but they're meant to be flown by frigate specialists. The roll of this frig is as a heavy damage dealer/anti-tackle; not tackle. The point of the bonuses is to ultimately give you 6 high slots, with only giving you 5. With perfect matari frigate skill bonuses, those 2 rails = 3 with the fitting reqs of 2. 3 Rails, 3 launchers. Scram is hardly necissary given it's role and you aren't fast enough to keep up with t2 frigates. Once you pound on them, they'll just run away. Thus, it's roll as an anti-tackler, especially given the tracking speed of your turrets for those interceptors. You can fit a scram if you want, but you might prefer saving that slot for something else, and letting the true tacklers do the tackling. The only time you should expect to get kills with this is 1) being a part of a gang/fleet and just helping on damage on the primary or 2) 1 vs 1 against a not-so-intelligent opponent. Frigs are usually ignored in gang vs gang engagements (don't flame me, I know they get attacked, but rarely are they a primary), so what you want to be doing is chasing/killing off the tacklers who are tying down your mates, so they can warp-out->warp-in when primaried. You want to tank it so if you are taking damage you have time to brush off the tacklers and warp out. Whether you shield or armor tank it is entirely a personal preference. Passive shield tank works, and armor tank is cool too, freeing up your mids for e-war, or whatever else you want. Faction frigs are only useless to those who don't understand what they are for and/or don't possess the skills to fly them properly. --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT! snip Your signature is inappropriate for these forums. -Rauth Kivaro
Rilder Caldari THC LTD	Posted - 2007.07.02 11:55:00 - [12] Thanks Silpher now I wanna throw down more isk for one of those. Anyways, yea I think Silpher might be right, but people might just be stuck in the idea that: "Frigs = Tacklers" Visit my blog =)http://rilderslog.blogspot.com/
Silpher The Blackstone Group Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.07.02 12:07:00 - [13] I should add that flying a faction frig isn't for the faint of heart or killmail w**es. They are still easy to lose, and that's a big loss, and if flown correctly in the usual circumstances, aren't on the big Battleship killmails. You gotta have pride in being a frig specialist to enjoy it. :) --- The FAIR MARKET MOVEMENT! snip* Your signature is inappropriate for these forums. -Rauth Kivaro
Murehz	Posted - 2007.07.02 13:48:00 - [14] I know this prob isn't its intended use but could it be used like a "bleeder" punisher. I don't have quickfit or game with me but this is just a general plan. Highs: 2x 200mm II 3x small NOS Meds: AB Scram Lows: SAR II EANM EANM I know the cruor would prob work better at the sucking bit but it will only be doing 2/3rd's of the damage of this. This should kick out the same dps as a punisher with AC's, have a better tank because it rely's less on cap relays, and it looks impossibly sexah. Just an idea.
Skrathis	Posted - 2007.07.02 15:08:00 - [15] Wow. I've been wondering wht prices these buggers have been going at, bought a couple for 45mil a piece some time ago. Bargain. Still, even though they were cheap to me, don't really want to fly one since it's quite difficult to set up effectively. More of an item on display type of ship nowadays.
Preston FateForger Caldari The Elear	Posted - 2007.07.12 22:12:00 - [16] Edited by: Preston FateForger on 12/07/2007 22:12:20 You can see a Dramiel in action in this video: Dramiel in video
Shiken Kan	Posted - 2007.07.13 02:16:00 - [17] first thing i wanna say is that the most beautiful frigate is the daredevil ofc :p generally speaking faction frigs can dish out some serious damage, but most lack the ability to tackle like an inty. especially the dramiel hasn't really got the cap to run an mwd and a scram over a longer period of time and not the mid slots to raise the regen alot. so i chose to build that thingie as a pure damage dealer, circling the target at around 20km sustaining its mwd forever. hi 3x rocket launcher 2 (javelin rockets) 2x 250mm light scout artillery mid 1x 1mn mwd 2 1x cap recharger 2 low 2x overdrive 2 1x nanofiber 2 this setup could be a nice asset to a frig gang that already has intis or so to tackle. (actually if you pair it with a daredevil, which can run a scram and a mwd indefinitely, as is suggested in that ships description it can be a very nice and really stylish 2 man gank squad, tho ofc they both have limited capabilities) speed is a bit over 4.6k with good skills (which are required by that setup), if you fit polycarb that goes up to about 7.2k. dps is around 60. oh and yes you can hit things with your acs :p
Arachidamia Matari People's Front	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:36:00 - [18] Some of the faction ships have practical uses. The Dramiel isn't one. I just keep mine in the hanger and stare at it every now and then. It just has the worst configuration ever. 3 bonuses to turrets, yet only 2 out of 5 highs are turrets. And it has more shield hp than armour hp, hinting at shield tanking. Yet it has more lows than mids. It just doesn't make sense.
Litus Arowar Amarr Obsidian Asylum Pure.	Posted - 2007.07.13 19:51:00 - [19] Originally by: Arachidamia Some of the faction ships have practical uses. The Dramiel isn't one. I just keep mine in the hanger and stare at it every now and then. It just has the worst configuration ever. 3 bonuses to turrets, yet only 2 out of 5 highs are turrets. And it has more shield hp than armour hp, hinting at shield tanking. Yet it has more lows than mids. It just doesn't make sense. it's like a khanid ship or something and the bonuses to projectiles give it an effective 3 turrets and 3 missiles... the lows let it get decent speeds... it's outdone by other frigs, but if you want to use it, it can put out decent damage... still I'd rather fly other faction frigs, like the hookbill, daredevil, firetail, and worm... EVE Acronym Guide
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.07.13 20:40:00 - [20] Originally by: Arachidamia And it has more shield hp than armour hp, hinting at shield tanking. Yet it has more lows than mids. It just doesn't make sense. Only if you insist on tackling with it. It makes perfect sense to put a Medium Extender and MWD in the mids if you accept that this is not a tackler, it's a damage dealer. The lows are for damage mods and power diags. I fit my Wolf in a similar manner, and it just makes a whole lot more sense than trying to tackle with only two mids. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
K Raz Danish Trade and Mining Inc. Intergalactic Freelance Corporations	Posted - 2007.07.13 23:09:00 - [21] Personally, i use mine as a shuttle After playing a bit with it, i found that it flies like a ceptor, tanks like a t1 frig, and dishes out damage like an assault frig. I faound it hard to fit, and to expensive to fly in pvp, but still to sexy to stay away from, so it ended up as a t2 shuttle in my hangar. Gonna experiment with some inspiration from claw/rifter setups after reading this thread though.
Majelvey	Posted - 2007.07.14 00:40:00 - [22] I also recently bought a Dram and have been searching for setups. I couldn't find any so I've been flying it as if it was a Rifter. Although, I like the idea of it being anti tackler and I think I'll give that a shot. It's basically a kit ship that sits in my hanger while i fix her up atm and I'm waiting on my skills and understanding of frigate combat to be higher before it sees any gang action at all. Currently it's got 3x Overdrive Injectors in the lows. Might switch one out for a nano any suggestions on mid slots? It's such a biotch to fit ugh

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