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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.01.31 08:02:29 -
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I would like to see what does CCP have to say about why these fleets exist. I mean, I can figure that they're like teens who got a new toy (new AI) and want to stick it into things, but, what's in it for the players? And specifically, PvE players? Is there a purpose to adding "legal" bots after removing player bots?
I've seen comments about testing the new AI to change missions. I know this idea is tossed around quite often, but it clashes with one of the largest expressed opinions from the PvE community, that is, that missions are fine but need to be increased with new ones, and any new PvE must be new, not just replace the old one. Missions play a key role as fallback income source (lost a ship? Run a few Level 4s and get back on your feet) and must continue being affordable and reliable. Thus new aI msut be used for new PvE... and PvE that makes more effin sense than ganking bot miners, FFS!
Anyway, whatever CCP is doing, they're doing it without the players, which is wrong. So far CCP never did the right thing about PvE, that is, ASK THE PVE PLAYERS. And by ask I mean "knock their doors and ask them", not "set up a mailbox so they drop by and tell you what they think". PvErs, by the nature of our trade, tend to be quiet and stealthy. Standing up and voicing our unsolicited opinion is something only a few of us do... and quite few compared to the endless buzz of the PvP swarm.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.01.31 08:11:31 -
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StonerPhReaK wrote:With the numbers of real miners
Do go on...
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
18339
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Posted - 2017.01.31 08:12:34 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:PvErs, by the nature of our trade, tend to be quiet
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Gerry TheViking
Aquilonia Enterprises
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Posted - 2017.02.11 15:10:57 -
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Norrin Ellis wrote:I appreciate everyone's perspective here.
What this seems to boil down to, however, is that the number of players willing to mine is dwindling.....
Well, that could be the result of increasing high-sec ganking...... |
Trev Baboli
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.02.11 15:51:10 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:carebears/miners have been asking for PVE content right? what's wrong this time? 
How is it PvE content for miners? |
TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.14 04:00:42 -
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See if I got this: Mining a hi-sec belt with a couple Skiffs and a can chaser, NPC shows up and starts mining. I swap Skiffs for a couple battleships, kill all the NPC miners and their hauler and Concord doesn't even wake up?
Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps
and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
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ApexDynamo
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.14 11:55:26 -
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Kamala Sakar wrote:NPC Mining Ships don-Št shoot back, however they have a Security fleet they will call for if they are attecked. If one tries to solo the Security fleet I'm sure it means almost certain death BUT what a mining corp could do is:
A. Hire another Corp to remove the NPC Fleets.
B. Bring their own combat ships and kill the NPC:s mining and take their stuff.
Note that the NPC Mining Ships drops rocks when they die so if the Mining Corp is up for some Combat they might even save time by letting the NPC:s do the mining and then kill them after they are done.
You missed the part the NPC mining fleets have batphones, when their attacked a support fleet warps in that has logi ive seen them kill a pure deadspace rattlesnake in about 30s not really worth attacking them cause their about as OP as Drifters |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
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Posted - 2017.02.14 12:10:58 -
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ApexDynamo wrote:Kamala Sakar wrote:NPC Mining Ships don-Št shoot back, however they have a Security fleet they will call for if they are attecked. If one tries to solo the Security fleet I'm sure it means almost certain death BUT what a mining corp could do is:
A. Hire another Corp to remove the NPC Fleets.
B. Bring their own combat ships and kill the NPC:s mining and take their stuff.
Note that the NPC Mining Ships drops rocks when they die so if the Mining Corp is up for some Combat they might even save time by letting the NPC:s do the mining and then kill them after they are done. You missed the part the NPC mining fleets have batphones, when their attacked a support fleet warps in that has logi ive seen them kill a pure deadspace rattlesnake in about 30s not really worth attacking them cause their about as OP as Drifters
This is so cute. Suddenly I realize why gankers and miners often die hilariously to even the most basic PVP-fit gankers. I've been wondering why miners, even after changing into a combat-fit, can't win even once. This post explains so much. |
Gretek Moergyn
Non-Sedentary
T U A R E G
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Posted - 2017.02.18 00:05:42 -
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Reading through this thread I'm still not clear about what happens to the ore being mined by NPC fleets. If it is being sold, that would seem to be counter to the idea of EVE as a sandbox.
Someone said the number of player miners is dwindling. Is this true? How do we know this? |
Scipio Artelius
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.18 00:16:16 -
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Gretek Moergyn wrote:Reading through this thread I'm still not clear about what happens to the ore being mined by NPC fleets. If it is being sold, that would seem to be counter to the idea of EVE as a sandbox.
Someone said the number of player miners is dwindling. Is this true? How do we know this?
No, the ore mined by NPCs is not sold. That's not part of the AI.
They just mine it, dock with it if no one takes it from them and then the ore goes no further.
As to numbers of miners dwindling. People will sprout whatever they believe, but without validating their view. It might be true. It might not. Doesn't matter. If someone thinks it helps their argument, they'll say it anyway. |
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Gretek Moergyn
Non-Sedentary
T U A R E G
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Posted - 2017.02.18 00:56:51 -
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Thank you for clearing that up! |
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