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djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:32:00 - [1] Ok, we have been wardecced by our friends the privateers again. their tactics amount to hugging a station and try to gank anyone who warps to that station or undocks. If they meet resistance they simply dock and wait until the stronger party gets bored or undock again with a ship/fitting designed to counter the attackers. I tried bumping them with an alt to get at least a frig outside the docking range but they responded by placing the frig in between the structures of the station so that wasn't possible. My questions are now these: I) If our heroes agro somebody are they all denied entry to the station, or just the first that opens up (that would explain the frig that's with them all the time) II) If they are denied entry then for how long? This would give us an indication of the force needed to kill at least one of their ships. III) How large is the docking range and is it uniform for all stations?
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:36:00 - [2] I) The ones who aggro can't dock until they deagress and then they have to wait 1 minute, the person they aggro can dock whenever they can unless they aggro back II) 1 minute III) Depends on the station
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:38:00 - [3] Isnt it + minut?
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:38:00 - [4] Edited by: Plutoinum on 08/04/2007 11:40:48 Originally by: Templer Relleg Isnt it + minut? think so Best weapons against dock/undock games were nano-bs. Maybe we need a new tech-2 ship with this role. E.g. a speedy agile battleship without weapons, but a big rubberball on its head. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:39:00 - [5] more like 15 seconds... but at times it feels twice that so meh - NPC Vendetta system, Local rehash, Probe decoys
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:41:00 - [6] 30 seconds is session change 1 minute is aggro
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:43:00 - [7] Edited by: djenghis jan on 08/04/2007 11:40:53 Originally by: ArtemisEntreri I) The ones who aggro can't dock until they deagress and then they have to wait 1 minute, the person they aggro can dock whenever they can unless they aggro back This means that all ships that fire (regardless of who starts) are denied entry until they stop firing and then wait for 1 minute. So firing back at a target is also grounds for not being allowed to dock. Also docking again after undock takes 20 s i think just as changing ship after docking
ArtemisEntreri Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.08 11:45:00 - [8] Originally by: djenghis jan Edited by: djenghis jan on 08/04/2007 11:40:53 Originally by: ArtemisEntreri I) The ones who aggro can't dock until they deagress and then they have to wait 1 minute, the person they aggro can dock whenever they can unless they aggro back This means that all ships that fire (regardless of who starts) are denied entry until they stop firing and then wait for 1 minute. So firing back at a target is also grounds for not being allowed to dock. Also docking again after undock takes 20 s i think just as changing ship after docking yes to first and it's 30 seconds to second question
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.04.08 12:16:00 - [9] Privateers like bumping, no aggro - no penalty. Shame I had to lose a Hyperion to find that out... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2007.04.08 13:32:00 - [10] Originally by: Selena 001 Privateers like bumping, no aggro - no penalty. Shame I had to lose a Hyperion to find that out... Bumping? I don't get it if they shoot first they have agro right? Or did they prevent warp by bumping with a neutral?

Selena 001	Posted - 2007.04.08 16:21:00 - [11] 1 engages the other bumps... you jump, the bumper follows you through. Bit sad when you get to 3km and a T2 BC comes hurtling at you. Unfortunatly I'd comitted to trying to get to the gate instead of shooting them back... being popped 500m from salvation is a real morale killer, especially when you'd have made it if the first one hadn't been bumping you. Atleast I took his webber drones with me... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.04.08 17:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 08/04/2007 11:40:48 Originally by: Templer Relleg Isnt it + minut? think so Best weapons against dock/undock games were nano-bs. Maybe we need a new tech-2 ship with this role. E.g. a speedy agile battleship without weapons, but a big rubberball on its head. Just give us station windows and once undocking you get pushed well out of docking range. Also Known As
Redpants Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:10:00 - [13] I find it funny that there literally must be 20+ threads (if not more) now dealing not just with the Privateers but their station ganking tactics. Yet, the majority of thread posters and those who reply in them act like lemmings. They know about this tactic and yet they continue to enter those systems and dock at the stations anyway. _____________________________________________________________________ "My once immaculate white pants are now stained from the weak and innocent. I don't wear red."
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:16:00 - [14] I'd also suggest, that if you want a fight, bring somewhere around even odds instead of outnumbering us with 20 man blobs. Me, I'll just roam around and gank you solo. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Inquis Eisenhorn	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:38:00 - [15] We've pretty much got the whole station combat down pat, nano battleships used to work really well but with the new changes you either get one run at them ,or you you are not really fast enough to get them out of range. the x is my sig A ships a fool to fight a station
Paladineguru Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:56:00 - [16] Edited by: Paladineguru on 08/04/2007 19:52:34 Originally by: Mortuus I'd also suggest, that if you want a fight, bring somewhere around even odds instead of outnumbering us with 20 man blobs. Me, I'll just roam around and gank you solo. omg mort you live in empire with war dec exploiting weasels now O.o ex Occassus Republica <3
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 21:01:00 - [17] I live wherever Pala, the joy of Privateers, no rules, no blues, lots of empire decs. On the other hand, I could say you are hanging with the chokepoint blobbing 0.0 weasels. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.08 21:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Mortuus I live wherever Pala, the joy of Privateers, no rules, no blues, lots of empire decs. On the other hand, I could say you are hanging with the chokepoint blobbing 0.0 weasels. You forgot to mention Capital Ships OnlineÖ doesn't apply to empire
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.08 21:05:00 - [19] Then simply stop grief... erm wardeccing every corp you see. --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 23:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: Mortuus I live wherever Pala, the joy of Privateers, no rules, no blues, lots of empire decs. On the other hand, I could say you are hanging with the chokepoint blobbing 0.0 weasels. You forgot to mention Capital Ships OnlineÖ doesn't apply to empire reason i've retired from 0.0 ------------------------------------- Am Orbitin' ur shi... i said orbit... ORBIT... no don't fly off in that direction

Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 02:22:00 - [21] Hehehehe.. I <3 the Privateers.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Hehehehe.. I <3 the Privateers.. Good you do... Seeing I just had a Mining barge shot out from under me by them I'm not too thrilled with them. Look I may be in the NOOB corp, but thats because I have no reason or way to PVP right now. So I stay out of the War decing, not because I want to, because mining in Empire is not very profitable for me. The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:21:00 - [23] Originally by: Nighlighted The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky. I work with the guy who blasted your ship in low sec. And by work I mean the same building. You want me to call him a low life scum sucking asswipe? ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Nighlighted Good you do... Seeing I just had a Mining barge shot out from under me by them I'm not too thrilled with them. Look I may be in the NOOB corp, but thats because I have no reason or way to PVP right now. So I stay out of the War decing, not because I want to, because mining in Empire is not very profitable for me. The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky. When you jumped into 0.4 there was a warning dialog box that popped up. I suggest that you take a look at it next time. Makes for gripping reading. New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Aille Pluthrak Originally by: Nighlighted The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky. I work with the guy who blasted your ship in low sec. And by work I mean the same building. You want me to call him a low life scum sucking asswipe? Yeah that might work.... You do that... I'm kidding of course. That will not fix anything. It's just now I get to race to the belts to get them before they have been mined out of everything by three ships controlled by one guy. Granted if I'm wrong, let me know, offer me a place in your corp or just talk to me. And I don't care if I get shot at, just please tell me your shooting at me first and if I miss it so be it. Like I said it's replaceable.
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 03:35:00 - [26] Originally by: Sun Win Originally by: Nighlighted Good you do... Seeing I just had a Mining barge shot out from under me by them I'm not too thrilled with them. Look I may be in the NOOB corp, but thats because I have no reason or way to PVP right now. So I stay out of the War decing, not because I want to, because mining in Empire is not very profitable for me. The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky. When you jumped into 0.4 there was a warning dialog box that popped up. I suggest that you take a look at it next time. Makes for gripping reading. So does the fact I can replace everything. It's just going to be a while. I know this is venting, but everyone else does it, why can't I?
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:20:00 - [27] Originally by: Nighlighted So does the fact I can replace everything. It's just going to be a while. I know this is venting, but everyone else does it, why can't I? Follow the leader to his death ftl maybe? But seriously.. If you went unescorted to a .4 in a barge you deserve to be reduced to elemental particals.. They don't call it "low sec" for no reason ya know.. Next time try caldari cruiser 4 and an osprey for you low sec mining pleasure.. Mines better than an entry level retreiver and is cheap as dirt to boot.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:52:00 - [28] Originally by: Nighlighted Good you do... Seeing I just had a Mining barge shot out from under me by them I'm not too thrilled with them. Look I may be in the NOOB corp, but thats because I have no reason or way to PVP right now. So I stay out of the War decing, not because I want to, because mining in Empire is not very profitable for me. The first time I go out to 0.4 space and I get a ship shot out from a Privateer. Not what I was expecting, and granted I can replace it. But it means back to Empire, fighting with the macro miners for Omber so I can refine it, then try again, in a week, if I'm lucky. I'm sorry, but you can't be telling the truth here. We all know the Privateers would never set foot in low-sec due to being too scared, so it must have been someone else that shot you. I mean, if you where really shot by a Privateer, that would mean that all the forum carebears where wrong about them, and that simply couldn't be. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Nighlighted Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:14:00 - [29] Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus Originally by: Nighlighted So does the fact I can replace everything. It's just going to be a while. I know this is venting, but everyone else does it, why can't I? Follow the leader to his death ftl maybe? But seriously.. If you went unescorted to a .4 in a barge you deserve to be reduced to elemental particals.. They don't call it "low sec" for no reason ya know.. Next time try caldari cruiser 4 and an osprey for you low sec mining pleasure.. Mines better than an entry level retreiver and is cheap as dirt to boot.. I got one of those, but it's the cost of the strip miner that makes me go nuts. Also, yes as strange as it sounds there are Privateers in 0.4 space. I guess I was the only one he got, everyone else was in a battleship or fitted with a STAB.
Donkee Punch	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Redpants I find it funny that there literally must be 20+ threads (if not more) now dealing not just with the Privateers but their station ganking tactics. Yet, the majority of thread posters and those who reply in them act like lemmings. They know about this tactic and yet they continue to enter those systems and dock at the stations anyway. Funny you may think dear boy... funny it is NOT.. lets face it, the tactics employed by the "Station Gankers" exploit game mechanics, frequently rendering any response by the targeted player ineffective, or even impossible. NO .. I'm not against removing WarDeccing, or changing any of the major play factors... but for crimeny's sake.... getting smoked when trying to get out of a station located in a 1.0 system is just absurd. Personally I'd like to see aggro within "X" distance of a High Sec station not allowed or at least carry a heavy penalty. The gank Muppets in Space could still have their group orgasm on how l33t and Ebil they are .. but at least we'd have a chance to get the heck out of there if we were fairly quick on the button. But in any event something has to be addressed here, they are causing far to much grief for the benefit they provide.. (little or none imo), frustration is rising when you can't get a chance to get away, and don't give me the fooey about "don't GO there then. WTF is wrong with you??" We know that frequently the stations they camp are the ONLY stations in that region that carry the items you need... so that argument holds back water like a screen door on a submarine.. -=Flame On=-



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